"Experiences in Effective Prevention: Past, Present & Future" 4 of 4
This interactive session highlights current drug use rates among college students; seven elements of effective drug abuse prevention on college campuses; discussion around a strategic planning process; recommended strategies; and resources that are available to assist in prevention efforts. The session’s content is based around the speaker’s experiences and observations around drug abuse prevention among college students in New York State and with three federal agencies during the past 26 years.
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[00:00:06.710]So the DEA over the last couple of years
[00:00:12.230]have gotten into this space of
[00:00:15.580]a more increased outreach to colleges and universities.
[00:00:22.550]DEA's interaction with colleges and universities
[00:00:25.100]has been on two fronts.
[00:00:27.120]One is at recruitment fairs.
[00:00:29.430]There's a career fair of some kind,
[00:00:31.200]DEA might be at the career fair
[00:00:33.780]on a campus trying to recruit potential agents,
[00:00:38.090]or diversion investigators, or data folks, or chemists.
[00:00:41.510]So there's that piece.
[00:00:42.740]Then you go to way the other end of the spectrum
[00:00:45.600]and it's the enforcement actions.
[00:00:48.210]And in case you didn't know,
[00:00:50.660]yeah, the agents are kinda knocking down the doors,
[00:00:53.180]not literally, of the residence halls
[00:00:55.680]and other places where students are
[00:00:58.020]because of drug trafficking that's happening
[00:01:00.190]on college campuses.
[00:01:01.630]There was a case that you can just look up
[00:01:05.390]and find out about it that just happened in San Diego,
[00:01:08.010]within the last two, three months.
[00:01:09.800]I think it's San Diego State, and that was public,
[00:01:11.860]so I'm not divulging anything I shouldn't.
[00:01:15.410]But that's been DEA's primary interaction with campuses,
[00:01:18.730]is recruiting potential agents and staff,
[00:01:21.240]and enforcement actions.
[00:01:23.290]And so my boss, Sean, he likes to say
[00:01:26.600]that he stole me from CSAP,
[00:01:29.930]but one of the things that DEA really wanted to do
[00:01:32.800]was increase its prevention outreach to college campuses.
[00:01:37.970]And of course with my background,
[00:01:39.580]it kind of fit in nicely with, you know,
[00:01:42.000]the area of expertise that I had
[00:01:43.603]and so they brought me on board
[00:01:45.440]in addition to them wanting to bolster
[00:01:47.430]their prevention science information.
[00:01:50.320]So it was a twofer as far as that goes.
[00:01:53.000]So, over the last couple of years,
[00:01:55.010]we have launched some new products and some new resources
[00:02:01.050]for the field and up here on the slide
[00:02:04.610]is just a few of them.
[00:02:05.930]More or less our flagship is the new website
[00:02:08.710]which we launched last July,
[00:02:10.580]and I am gonna be able to pull up the website
[00:02:13.043]in just a minute and show you some of its features.
[00:02:19.480]and coming up on our one year anniversary
[00:02:21.800]next week for that.
[00:02:23.810]We've also developed two new fact cards
[00:02:25.960]that are part of our fact card series
[00:02:27.990]that are available for download or for ordering.
[00:02:30.750]One is on marijuana use among college students,
[00:02:33.600]the other is on prescription drug misuse
[00:02:35.510]among college students.
[00:02:37.100]We're always looking for feedback
[00:02:39.300]and for comments from the field,
[00:02:41.310]so feel free to get in touch with me
[00:02:42.810]if there are other resources
[00:02:44.320]that you think would be helpful for campuses.
[00:02:48.140]We do have proposed in our budget for next year
[00:02:52.620]to produce a publication on strategic planning
[00:02:57.320]for drug abuse prevention on campuses.
[00:02:59.630]More or less centered around the spiff
[00:03:01.230]and everything that I just talked about,
[00:03:02.890]because many of the publications that used to be available
[00:03:05.310]from the higher ed center are so outdated
[00:03:07.610]and there hasn't been anything that's come behind it
[00:03:10.120]to take its place and we've been consulting
[00:03:15.625]with a working group of 15 to 20 Higher Ed folks
[00:03:19.765]around the country and one of the things
[00:03:23.080]that they have said to us is that
[00:03:25.500]such a publication would be really helpful
[00:03:27.280]to their efforts.
[00:03:28.113]These are the folks who also taught us
[00:03:29.540]that a one-stop resource like the website
[00:03:31.990]would really be helpful.
[00:03:33.320]So we are taking comments from the field and their input
[00:03:37.454]is helping us develop these products.
[00:03:41.430]So we've got those fact cards
[00:03:42.870]and we're looking to develop some new ones as well.
[00:03:46.040]And then this year, this fall will be our third year
[00:03:48.810]of doing with our partners at CSAP.
[00:03:52.050]The Red Ribbon Week Campus Video PSA Contest.
[00:03:54.860]I had mentioned that the
[00:03:55.730]Red Ribbon Week campaign earlier today.
[00:03:58.280]We didn't have much at all for colleges around
[00:04:01.640]this national campaign and so the year I came on,
[00:04:05.210]I had said, "Well, maybe we try to do something
[00:04:08.540]that's student-driven and often times on college campuses
[00:04:11.710]and have them develop PSAs around the drug issues
[00:04:15.130]and prevention and award them prizes around it.
[00:04:18.560]And sure enough, we ended up rolling that out
[00:04:20.490]and that's what we did.
[00:04:22.240]And so, each year, the winning campus gets $1,000 from
[00:04:27.120]the DEA to help bolster their campus's prevention efforts.
[00:04:32.250]This year, I can't tell you because we've made it,
[00:04:35.510]well we haven't given the official word.
[00:04:37.300]You're getting some official word here.
[00:04:39.580]We're bumping it up to a $3,000 award for one university
[00:04:43.810]and I know that on college campuses,
[00:04:45.023]that $3,000 can go a long way for some campuses.
[00:04:48.760]For some campuses, that might be the money
[00:04:50.320]they need to do a survey, right?
[00:04:52.430]To do the needs assessment.
[00:04:53.620]Or to help start conducting an evaluation.
[00:04:56.250]Or bring in some speakers.
[00:04:57.550]So it's a small way of us helping them with their efforts.
[00:05:03.680]And so this year will be our third year in doing that.
[00:05:07.620]So I did mention campusdrugprevention.gov
[00:05:11.040]and I wanted to bring it up for just a little bit.
[00:05:13.940]See if we can just kind of surf it.
[00:05:23.780]Okay so, I'm happy to say that
[00:05:28.755]campusdrugprevention.gov was honored
[00:05:30.780]with a national award a couple of weeks ago
[00:05:33.630]from The National Association of Government Communicators.
[00:05:36.390]So it's really nice to know that the things
[00:05:39.570]that you've worked on are being recognized nationally
[00:05:42.150]even though that's not why you're in the business.
[00:05:44.300]That you're there actually
[00:05:45.210]to produce something for the field.
[00:05:48.000]But a side benefit was the fact that this received
[00:05:51.107]an Award of Excellence.
[00:05:53.570]So I'm really happy about that.
[00:05:55.620]So, typically the first time you go to
[00:05:57.723]campusdrugprevention.gov, you will see this overlay
[00:06:00.380]where you can now sign up for the latest updates and events.
[00:06:05.550]You just pop your email address in there
[00:06:07.670]and then you will pick and choose from the menu
[00:06:10.380]about the things that you want to be updated on
[00:06:13.340]and we send out a weekly update.
[00:06:15.680]We were doing it on Fridays.
[00:06:17.330]We are switching that as of next week.
[00:06:19.730]The updates will now come out first thing on Mondays.
[00:06:22.820]We just think that the beginning of the week
[00:06:24.250]is probably a more opportune time
[00:06:25.810]rather than at the end of the week where it might get lost.
[00:06:28.340]And so, you can get updates on new events
[00:06:30.930]that have been posted to the calendar,
[00:06:32.460]new research articles that we've posted,
[00:06:34.600]new publications that we produced and such.
[00:06:37.300]I know that from our metrics, we just started last November
[00:06:41.880]with the email updates
[00:06:42.960]and we have more than 20,000 subscribers to the website.
[00:06:47.500]So we're really happy about that.
[00:06:50.000]So, I just got to run through some of the main features
[00:06:52.270]of the website and show you what we have available to you.
[00:06:55.960]I can tell you that aside from the home page,
[00:06:58.280]the second most popular page on the website
[00:07:01.810]are the drugs and paraphernalia page.
[00:07:05.100]So what we've done is we have organized each of the drugs
[00:07:08.450]by class and once you go to a class,
[00:07:12.800]if you're looking at amphetamines,
[00:07:14.470]you can click on that and then you will get
[00:07:18.750]all of the different street names, how it's used,
[00:07:21.860]what are the mental effects, what are the physical effects,
[00:07:24.060]what are the overdose effects of all these various drugs.
[00:07:28.800]And all of this comes from our major publication
[00:07:31.390]called Drugs and Abuse.
[00:07:33.340]That is a document we update every two years.
[00:07:35.890]Last fall 2017 is when the latest version came out.
[00:07:41.210]If you want a hard copy, we can send one to you.
[00:07:42.967]You can just shoot me an email and we'll get a copy to you.
[00:07:45.510]It is an excellent desk reference of all
[00:07:48.450]the different drugs, all the schedules,
[00:07:50.400]everything you'd need to know about all the various drugs.
[00:07:54.200]So drugs and paraphernalia
[00:07:55.490]is a pretty common page that people visit.
[00:07:59.080]In the research section, we list all the major data sources.
[00:08:04.400]The ones that I mentioned previously.
[00:08:05.970]So all of the most latest NCHA, monitor in the future,
[00:08:10.740]NSDUH, the NCAA student survey.
[00:08:14.300]All of those are available for you
[00:08:16.000]to download on the data section.
[00:08:18.180]And then research articles we post.
[00:08:22.430]Some of the most pressing
[00:08:23.810]and current state of the art research
[00:08:25.610]that's out there around not only alcohol,
[00:08:29.160]that's some of what we put out there, but also drug use.
[00:08:32.880]And so you'll see things around marijuana use
[00:08:34.510]and prescription drug misuse among college students.
[00:08:37.530]We have our publications section
[00:08:39.150]and it's not just our DEA publications.
[00:08:41.370]We have listed also our federal partners,
[00:08:43.930]our non-federal partners,
[00:08:45.150]and a whole law enforcement section.
[00:08:47.080]So for those of you who are working with campus police
[00:08:49.280]or community police and they're interested in
[00:08:50.990]campus or community law enforcement tools,
[00:08:54.020]we've got some of those listed there as well.
[00:08:57.550]So in our resources section,
[00:08:59.546]one of the things that we're trying to help facilitate
[00:09:04.500]as I mentioned earlier is making connections
[00:09:07.330]between a local campus or community
[00:09:10.110]with our local DEA office.
[00:09:11.930]And so you can find this information
[00:09:13.760]under the federal and national sections.
[00:09:17.270]And so when I click on there and just scroll on down,
[00:09:22.300]here you'll see our partners and all the different things
[00:09:25.180]that they're doing around preventing drug use
[00:09:27.390]among college students at NIDA,
[00:09:29.770]NIAAA Department of Ed, and SAMHSA.
[00:09:33.370]And then we also have some non-federal resources
[00:09:35.690]that are on there so we've got the Higher Ed Center, NCAA.
[00:09:39.141]The recovery in higher education
[00:09:41.950]and then we've also got our law enforcement resources there.
[00:09:45.700]But if you're interested in one of the features
[00:09:47.450]we'll be launching at the end of this summer
[00:09:50.240]are looking for state and local resources,
[00:09:53.200]right now you can go on here and look at the map
[00:09:58.280]and we have to pre-load this
[00:09:59.620]because it was so new with the Omaha office this week.
[00:10:03.620]But you can click on any part of the map
[00:10:06.350]and find out who your local DEA office
[00:10:09.740]is and who is the community outreach person.
[00:10:14.213]You know, I can't get out to all of these types of events
[00:10:16.200]but the agents will often times come out to schools
[00:10:19.660]and community groups and such and do presentations.
[00:10:21.890]So if you're interested in that, you can go there.
[00:10:24.900]We are getting ready to launch a clickable national map
[00:10:28.960]at the end of the summer which will serve as kind of
[00:10:32.090]a one-stop contact area.
[00:10:34.220]So if you clicked on any state in the map,
[00:10:37.140]I'll use Nebraska as an example,
[00:10:40.300]you will get the contact information for NCC.
[00:10:43.250]For the consortiums.
[00:10:44.370]So Megan, I guess that would be you.
[00:10:48.230]We'll also list the NPN rep
[00:10:50.520]which I think is now Gretchen or is it Crystal?
[00:10:53.940]Or Sue, so I'll get that from you.
[00:10:56.490]And then you'll also get your local DEA officer
[00:10:59.830]for Nebraska which will be Matt Barden I believe
[00:11:04.390]and for the time being.
[00:11:05.850]So we're gonna have this map now
[00:11:07.530]where people can get one-stop contact information.
[00:11:12.320]We've got here under resources,
[00:11:14.740]we have archived not only webinars we've sponsored
[00:11:18.560]but our partners have sponsored
[00:11:19.950]and information about Red Ribbon Week.
[00:11:22.440]We have an events calendar on the upcoming events
[00:11:26.280]and so when you click on this,
[00:11:27.990]you go to a particular month and you will get information
[00:11:31.930]about national and statewide prevention conferences
[00:11:34.530]that may be of interest to you
[00:11:35.860]and who you can contact to register for those events.
[00:11:39.150]If you have an event that you'd like to see listed here,
[00:11:41.830]you can go another click here section, fill out the form,
[00:11:45.080]and submit it and it will come to me
[00:11:46.730]in our content manager for the website.
[00:11:48.520]We'll review it, make sure all the information's complete,
[00:11:52.600]and then we'll post it to the calendar for you.
[00:11:54.560]So if you're interested in having an event
[00:11:56.140]that you're doing statewide around preventing drug use,
[00:12:00.340]we can certainly list that for you.
[00:12:03.030]We also incorporated on here the Help a Friend section
[00:12:06.640]which does not exist anywhere
[00:12:10.240]in any of the federal websites.
[00:12:12.200]Some of the information existed
[00:12:13.910]but it was in such disparate information
[00:12:16.690]that a suggestion actually came from our leadership at DEA.
[00:12:21.600]They wanted to see a section that somebody can go to
[00:12:25.070]if they knew someone who might be struggling
[00:12:27.340]with drug problems and how they could help them.
[00:12:30.880]And so we pulled all of this disparate information together
[00:12:34.580]and put it in one section and I more or less
[00:12:37.920]called it the Prepare and Proceed section.
[00:12:40.900]So there's a lot that goes into kind of having
[00:12:43.240]that very difficult conversation with someone
[00:12:46.030]if it's a classmate, a roommate, a teammate, a co-worker.
[00:12:50.910]If you suspect that they might have a drug problem,
[00:12:52.690]so kinda knowing the signs and symptoms
[00:12:55.760]and know what resources are available
[00:12:59.070]to them for prevention and treatment.
[00:13:01.670]We actually put the treatment locator in here and tagged it.
[00:13:04.520]So you can punch in a zip code
[00:13:05.900]and find out what treatment centers are nearby.
[00:13:08.870]So do all of that before you actually proceed
[00:13:12.260]to have the conversation with the individual.
[00:13:14.780]The information we put in here indicates that this is,
[00:13:17.622]could get to be quite a testy conversation.
[00:13:20.560]It might get confrontational, it might not go well.
[00:13:23.040]And that's okay.
[00:13:24.770]Stop the conversation and don't push it.
[00:13:27.850]So we give all of that advice on how to do that.
[00:13:30.400]And then we talk about after the conversation
[00:13:32.360]because it doesn't stop there.
[00:13:34.460]You need to prepare to have the conversation,
[00:13:36.700]then proceed to have it.
[00:13:38.290]But then what do you do after the conversation?
[00:13:40.610]Then of course, we have in in case of an emergency,
[00:13:43.780]if you think that your friend
[00:13:45.700]or someone is in immediate danger,
[00:13:47.280]then you really do need to call 911
[00:13:49.700]or some other emergency service immediately.
[00:13:53.170]You'll notice off here on the left-hand side
[00:13:56.510]that we've put up some of the social media
[00:13:59.660]and other buttons here
[00:14:01.630]which this was
[00:14:04.192]a first for DEA's websites and it's now
[00:14:06.860]we're going to copy it to our other website.
[00:14:10.750]So let's say that you find a page or resource on the website
[00:14:14.870]that you find to be helpful,
[00:14:16.630]you can go ahead and post it to your Facebook page
[00:14:19.510]and it'll get out there or you can tweet out about it.
[00:14:22.690]You also can email it to people directly from these sites.
[00:14:25.710]You also can print it and there's some other options here.
[00:14:29.090]I'm gonna go back to the homepage
[00:14:31.110]just to show you a couple of other things.
[00:14:35.089]So the DEA does have its social media presence.
[00:14:42.734]Is kind of nil.
[00:14:43.690]I mean, it's limited if you will.
[00:14:45.550]Our social media presence is primarily at
[00:14:49.620]looking on Twitter
[00:14:53.110]which is our main form of social media at DEA HQ.
[00:14:57.890]We do have a handle, if you will, or a #DEACampus.
[00:15:01.250]We launched that just a few months ago.
[00:15:03.430]So now we can track if people are following us
[00:15:06.690]directly on Campus Drug Prevention which is nice.
[00:15:09.770]We do have a Facebook page.
[00:15:11.560]It's not been fully rolled out yet,
[00:15:14.010]officially launched for DEA but that will be coming soon.
[00:15:18.210]We also are on LinkedIn and such.
[00:15:21.290]But I did want to mention a couple of the other features
[00:15:23.450]that aren't in the banner.
[00:15:25.090]And so, here are the Views From the Field that I mentioned.
[00:15:29.295]And if I get this one up here.
[00:15:34.930]'Cause I'm actually gonna be in the carousel.
[00:15:38.490]We launch those every Tuesday
[00:15:41.300]and it turns out that
[00:15:43.490]because we're coming up on the one year anniversary
[00:15:46.000]and our content manager likes to play
[00:15:48.480]with graphics and photos and such,
[00:15:51.630]it's actually my view from the field that we launched today.
[00:15:56.330]Noting the one year anniversary, if you will.
[00:15:58.950]And so, with my View From the Field in there,
[00:16:03.410]it's kind of reflections over the past year or so
[00:16:06.730]and talking about what we've been doing over the last year
[00:16:10.390]and trying to help professionals that are working
[00:16:12.720]to prevent drug abuse on college campuses.
[00:16:15.360]You can get all of the other previous Views From the Field.
[00:16:18.040]There were 25 last year.
[00:16:20.310]We did them bi-weekly.
[00:16:21.530]We're going to a monthly schedule
[00:16:23.360]but you can scan all of these guest articles
[00:16:25.670]from Jason and from Diane Fedorchak and Sally Linowski
[00:16:29.720]and Dolores Cimini and other names
[00:16:31.640]that you know in the field.
[00:16:34.470]Offering their perspectives on the current
[00:16:36.930]and emerging issues that are happening on college campuses.
[00:16:40.710]The other thing that I mentioned earlier were the podcasts.
[00:16:45.962]And so the podcasts also are called
[00:16:48.660]Prevention Profiles: Take Five.
[00:16:50.120]We launched these past January
[00:16:52.640]and these are anywhere between 15 minute to 30 minute
[00:16:55.400]interviews that I've done with folks centered
[00:16:57.430]around five questions that are focused
[00:17:00.920]on current and emerging issues in drug abuse.
[00:17:04.130]And so, Sally Linowski at Umass Amherst
[00:17:07.660]talks about the relationship
[00:17:09.790]between the campus and the community.
[00:17:11.750]Eric Davidson talked at Illinois University.
[00:17:14.620]Talks about the biennial review
[00:17:16.570]and the importance of doing the biennial review.
[00:17:20.280]You got Peggy Glider talking about evaluation.
[00:17:24.210]Jason's on there talking about marijuana issues.
[00:17:27.110]Fran talking about prevention in general.
[00:17:29.230]And then on the next page was Dr. Volkow.
[00:17:31.950]So these post monthly as well.
[00:17:34.850]These podcasts that you can listen to.
[00:17:40.640]And then the last thing that I wanted to mention
[00:17:42.630]were the Drug Scheduling and the Penalties.
[00:17:45.759]So I knew from my work in collegiate prevention areas
[00:17:50.210]that every two years,
[00:17:52.040]schools have to do their biennial review.
[00:17:54.820]And that every year, they have to do
[00:17:56.490]their policy distribution
[00:17:58.440]to their staff, student, and faculty members.
[00:18:01.580]And I happen to know that many schools
[00:18:05.920]looked to the DEA without the DEA
[00:18:08.800]even really knowing it at the time
[00:18:11.420]of what were the schedules
[00:18:13.050]and the federal trafficking penalties
[00:18:14.870]because that was all stuff that they were putting
[00:18:16.930]into their policies and distributing
[00:18:19.600]to their students, faculty, and staff.
[00:18:22.210]And so we've now put this all in one place for the students.
[00:18:26.132]For folks like you, rather, to grab this information
[00:18:29.420]and put it in your policy to be able to distribute it.
[00:18:32.110]So as the schedules change, which sometimes they do,
[00:18:37.260]drugs sometimes move from one schedule to the other.
[00:18:41.150]Sometimes, drugs get added to the schedules.
[00:18:45.540]There's been talk that Kratom may soon
[00:18:48.400]be moving onto one of the schedules.
[00:18:52.110]And then the federal trafficking penalties,
[00:18:54.740]we take you to our website right there
[00:18:57.020]where you can see what are those sanctions
[00:18:59.930]because that all needs to be part of the policy.
[00:19:01.950]So we put that all in one place for folks
[00:19:05.630]because we knew that folks needed it
[00:19:09.380]for the work that they were doing on their campuses.
[00:19:22.210]I think I may have way too many windows at the moment.
[00:19:26.110]Which is okay because we're winding down anyways.
[00:19:38.260]I'm gonna close the windows I had open.
[00:19:58.587]Let's see if this doesn't, you know,
[00:20:00.210]for some reason, I don't know why.
[00:20:02.240]What I wanted to just end with as I pull this up or not
[00:20:07.280]and this is terrible when it's your own computer
[00:20:09.120]and you don't know why it's working or not working.
[00:20:11.280]So what we do is, you can always close it.
[00:20:13.592](laughs) And then restart it.
[00:20:25.818](laughs) Or not.
[00:20:35.310]Yeah, that's really odd.
[00:20:38.400]So what I wanted to end with were some of the core resources
[00:20:41.780]that were available to you.
[00:20:43.610]So obviously, campusdrugprevention.gov,
[00:20:46.320]DEA also has two other websites.
[00:20:48.420]Justhinktwice.com which is for teens
[00:20:55.440]which is for parents and educators.
[00:20:58.770]So those are our three primary websites.
[00:21:01.750]We also have operationprevention.com
[00:21:04.980]which is for elementary, middle,
[00:21:07.100]and high school curricula, if you will.
[00:21:10.750]Lesson plans all around the science behind opioid addiction.
[00:21:15.480]So if you're working with communities
[00:21:17.320]or with schools in the community,
[00:21:20.940]you can go to that website and all of that information
[00:21:24.810]is free from us and you can download lessons plans,
[00:21:29.120]there's a parent toolkit,
[00:21:31.180]and then there's also a virtual field trip
[00:21:33.290]that people can take in a particular community
[00:21:36.380]around the country talking about opioids.
[00:21:41.100]And then with that,
[00:21:43.230]we're actually gonna end a half an hour early
[00:21:46.420]unless there are questions that people had just this time
[00:21:50.170]to chat or talk about revisiting again the challenges
[00:21:53.180]that you have that you're facing on your campuses
[00:21:55.340]and ways in which we may be able to help
[00:21:57.650]or put you in touch with others
[00:21:59.580]who might be able to help you.
[00:22:01.920]Any comments or thoughts or questions?
[00:22:09.120](laughs) Yeah, Linda, uh-oh!
[00:22:11.614]Well, I was really taken aback
[00:22:13.372]by the description of the technical assistance center.
[00:22:19.124]My question is, is someone thinking about
[00:22:23.149]ways in which they're sort of off the wagon across.
[00:22:29.346]I'm looking at these more on the role type of definition
[00:22:32.607]or perspective instead of silent perspective
[00:22:34.806]and understanding across (speaks faintly).
[00:22:38.513]So I'm just wondering about what thoughts,
[00:22:41.272]not to say we haven't been silent in the past.
[00:22:43.527]Moving forward, what thoughts do we have
[00:22:45.700]and what's (speaks faintly)
[00:22:49.023]in relationship (speaks faintly).
[00:22:52.141]Well, I haven't been in the room.
[00:22:54.090]It's where all of these conversations
[00:22:55.460]have been taking place at least at our partner agency.
[00:23:00.270]But I do know that,
[00:23:06.110]I mean, you can read the assistant secretary's
[00:23:10.740]blog that she released on this whole issue
[00:23:13.920]of how they're going to be modifying
[00:23:16.210]the way in which they deliver training a T.A.
[00:23:19.570]And I do think that some of it
[00:23:22.070]was based on an experience that she had.
[00:23:26.700]Now, I'm cautious the way I say this but I say it anyway.
[00:23:31.000]I'm always hesitant around the end of one.
[00:23:37.130]But we encounter it all the time
[00:23:39.560]in the work that we do, right?
[00:23:40.900]Well, if somebody,
[00:23:42.910]Well, I know somebody where if they took marijuana
[00:23:45.960]that it stopped seizures.
[00:23:48.830]So that was an end of one, right?
[00:23:52.410]And so that's their experience
[00:23:59.710]that becomes their truth, if you will, right?
[00:24:03.440]And so sometimes decisions get made
[00:24:06.420]based on their experiences and such
[00:24:09.640]and I do believe that
[00:24:13.270]it's interesting when they use the word silos
[00:24:15.290]because that word I did hear a lot
[00:24:18.020]when I was at SAMHSA under the previous administration
[00:24:21.230]where they wanted to break down the silos
[00:24:24.030]and have people working together.
[00:24:25.920]And you know, there's not such a more over-used cliche,
[00:24:28.800]gotta be honest with you.
[00:24:30.600]And sometimes the government.
[00:24:33.960]'Cause, well, I mean I hope I'm not offending anybody.
[00:24:37.440]I know I'm in farm land here in the middle of the country
[00:24:39.850]but silos do serve a purpose, right?
[00:24:42.980]And so silos are okay but
[00:24:47.160]there was this notion that everybody should be working
[00:24:50.920]on everybody else's issues.
[00:24:53.050]And that got confusing for the field.
[00:24:55.380]I can tell you that in the previous administration,
[00:24:58.180]they were using the term "integration"
[00:25:01.130]around behavioral health.
[00:25:02.970]So they wanted to see substance use
[00:25:04.640]and mental health integrated.
[00:25:07.050]And I believe, and I talk to Fran a lot about this,
[00:25:12.027]that really set up a turf issue
[00:25:15.260]or a turf war, if you will, in our field.
[00:25:18.940]People were concerned that more money
[00:25:21.750]was gonna be going to substance abuse
[00:25:23.570]instead of mental health.
[00:25:24.620]The mental health people were more worried
[00:25:25.910]it was gonna go to, you know, vice versa.
[00:25:28.530]It's just like, I'm gonna lose what I had in all of that
[00:25:32.240]and I think it's all the way
[00:25:33.250]in which you phrase it and shape it.
[00:25:34.990]I hated the word "integration."
[00:25:36.700]I always used the word "alignment."
[00:25:39.300]How do we align substance use work
[00:25:42.130]with mental health 'cause they connect?
[00:25:44.360]Not integrating them but how do we align them?
[00:25:50.240]I just say it, I'm worried about the direction
[00:25:54.470]around the training, the technical assistance delivery
[00:26:02.020]because I don't, I would find it hard to believe
[00:26:05.770]that any one company, i.e, a contractor,
[00:26:09.900]would be able to serve all those needs.
[00:26:12.950]I'm not saying you need a niche for every single component
[00:26:17.430]but I'm not sure how, like a super T.A. Center, if you will,
[00:26:22.530]will serve that purpose.
[00:26:24.620]I had these same conversations with Paul
[00:26:26.950]and others at Department of Ed
[00:26:28.860]when the Higher Ed center went away
[00:26:30.900]and then they created, and I put it up here,
[00:26:34.620]albeit a small version of the slide
[00:26:37.230]but the safe support of learning environments T.A. Center.
[00:26:41.430]This was for, like, k through 16 so to speak,
[00:26:45.430]and I was worried that the Higher Ed stuff
[00:26:47.520]was gonna get lost.
[00:26:48.680]Well guess what, it got lost.
[00:26:52.180]Because it was in its own dedicated center
[00:26:55.600]where the specialized training expertise
[00:26:58.824]and T.A. delivery and such.
[00:27:01.150]And so, you kind of have to just wait and see
[00:27:04.430]how it pans out but the CAPT has been around
[00:27:07.560]for a really long time
[00:27:08.810]and has served our states really, really well.
[00:27:13.760]I'm not sure how the next iteration of a T.A. Center
[00:27:18.800]is going to work but that's the direction
[00:27:21.930]in which they're going.
[00:27:24.130]And unfortunately, we're the ones
[00:27:26.790]that'll have to see how it pans out.
[00:27:30.130]Which we will and then one thing
[00:27:32.870]I've learned working in government,
[00:27:34.150]my entire career both at the state and government levels.
[00:27:37.070]We know this in prevention.
[00:27:38.330]It's a cycle.
[00:27:41.810]Unfortunately, that cycle wastes money.
[00:27:43.983]I'll just put it out there because it does.
[00:27:46.310]Because you throw something out and then you revisit it
[00:27:49.520]which is something you had pretty much previously before
[00:27:52.550]and the resources it takes to shore something back up again.
[00:27:57.610]But we'll see.
[00:27:59.140]Maybe this vision will become a good reality for people
[00:28:02.950]but I don't know.
[00:28:06.540]We have received, they have to send the states
[00:28:10.602]a notification to (speaks faintly) their application so,
[00:28:14.614]I think we've received two notices that states were
[00:28:17.539]intending to bid for the, for those secretaries.
[00:28:21.250]Okay, so what Sue was saying is,
[00:28:23.750]and I knew this from working at New York State
[00:28:26.150]is that there's sometimes a requirement
[00:28:30.550]in either a grant program or a contract's program
[00:28:33.740]that you have to notify your state agency
[00:28:36.980]if you're applying for this type of a vehicle
[00:28:42.240]so that they can weigh in if at all.
[00:28:45.840]Mild times it's proforma.
[00:28:47.080]It's just you get it and you go,
[00:28:48.757]"Yeah okay, we're aware of it."
[00:28:51.100]But the feds do that mainly to see if to ensure
[00:28:54.490]that they're not going against
[00:28:59.590]any state policy or something to that effect.
[00:29:02.470]So, thanks Sue for bringing that up.
[00:29:05.250]That's often times what has to happen.
[00:29:08.617]So I presume the solicitation
[00:29:10.860]is already out for these T.A. Centers.
[00:29:14.410]I guess they're modeling them really off of the ATTCs
[00:29:18.670]or the Addiction Transfer Technology Centers
[00:29:23.530]and really her vision, I guess, is to build these
[00:29:27.850]other three centers off of what the ATTCs used to be.
[00:29:32.940]But we know, I will speak only from experience
[00:29:35.960]with the Higher Ed Center and I'd say if Connie were here,
[00:29:38.080]I believe she'd agree with me.
[00:29:40.540]When the Department of Ed had to
[00:29:43.910]defund its Higher Ed Center,
[00:29:47.160]our field lost a tremendous amount of momentum.
[00:29:51.360]A tremendous amount of momentum in this field.
[00:29:54.630]And it was a good year or two before John Clapp and others
[00:29:58.230]were able to get that Higher Ed Center up at Ohio State.
[00:30:01.200]There was this whole two years where
[00:30:02.820]there was no training a T.A. going out.
[00:30:05.250]And so I don't know if there's gonna be a seamless
[00:30:06.990]transition between a CAPT closing
[00:30:09.200]and this prevention T.A. Center opening
[00:30:12.000]but that can be, it can be disruptive to a field.
[00:30:16.880]I hope it doesn't but I know it did in our field.
[00:30:23.230]Any other comments or questions or thoughts?
[00:30:24.960]Just on what we've talked about or questions or concerns
[00:30:27.280]you have or even feedback for DEA on what it's doing
[00:30:31.400]or what you'd like to maybe see as it do in terms of
[00:30:33.880]resources to help you in your jobs.
[00:30:40.090]And that's why I put my contact information up there
[00:30:42.200]and I know that Megan has it as well.
[00:30:44.300]Certainly feel free to get in touch with me.
[00:30:46.670]As you mull this over, because a lot of times,
[00:30:49.260]this information a lot gets thrown at you
[00:30:50.910]and then you're thinking about it on car rides home
[00:30:52.950]or in your office or something.
[00:30:55.360]So feel free to just drop me a line.
[00:30:57.070]Just email or phone call
[00:30:59.100]and just talk about what you're struggling with
[00:31:00.630]or resources that you'd like to see
[00:31:03.210]come out of our office to help you.
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