Catch Up With Chuck | Episode 11 | Building Hope in Native American Communities

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[00:00:13.910]Welcome back to Catch Up with Chuck,
[00:00:15.610]this is a periodic broadcast we do
[00:00:17.700]from the Rural Futures Institute
[00:00:19.760]at the University of Nebraska.
[00:00:21.610]Sorry we missed last week, had a blizzard
[00:00:23.600]going on around here, and so we had to check out,
[00:00:26.332]but we're back live.
[00:00:28.480]I'm Chuck Schroeder, I'm executive director
[00:00:30.550]of the Rural Futures Institute.
[00:00:32.570]And you know, at RFI, we believe that leaders
[00:00:36.830]are known not so much by their title,
[00:00:39.750]but by their vision, their ideas,
[00:00:42.260]their energy, their passion, and their engagement
[00:00:45.630]and collective action.
[00:00:47.470]Joining me today is a friend, a genuine leader
[00:00:51.600]who demonstrates those qualities in spades.
[00:00:54.970]She works on behalf of Native peoples
[00:00:57.230]and Native American communities in Nebraska and beyond.
[00:01:00.930]Judi Gaiashkibos is the executive director
[00:01:03.950]of the Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs,
[00:01:06.970]and she's someone who has really invested generously
[00:01:10.670]of her life, and her talents, and her career,
[00:01:14.650]to solve problems, and win respect
[00:01:17.110]for Native people and cultures in a lot of places,
[00:01:20.090]so Judi, welcome, we're delighted to have you today.
[00:01:22.790]Thank you Chuck, it's an honor to be here.
[00:01:25.110]Well listen, we wanna get a picture of Indian country,
[00:01:27.990]and Nebraska and the Great Plains,
[00:01:30.080]but you have such an interesting story yourself.
[00:01:32.640]I want you to tell our viewers a little bit
[00:01:34.670]about your background, your education,
[00:01:37.250]and what got you into these leadership roles.
[00:01:40.990]Okay, thank you, Chuck.
[00:01:42.660]It's a journey, as all of us have journeys in life,
[00:01:45.380]and so I will just tell you that I am a member
[00:01:48.030]of the Ponca Tribe in Nebraska.
[00:01:50.140]And I descend from Chief Smoke Maker.
[00:01:53.260]And my grandfather was the last chief of the second rank
[00:01:56.330]of the Ponca Tribe prior to our termination.
[00:01:59.080]He was born in 1878.
[00:02:01.300]And my mother went to the Genoa Indian School,
[00:02:04.520]a school, one of those military schools that was,
[00:02:08.190]the purpose was to kill the Indian and save the man.
[00:02:11.220]And then she went back to the reservation
[00:02:13.380]up along the Niobrara, where Standing Bear was, grew up,
[00:02:18.380]and she was on the tribal council.
[00:02:20.750]So I descend from a legacy of leaders,
[00:02:24.330]from my mother to my grandfather,
[00:02:26.220]to great-great-grandfathers.
[00:02:27.820]On my Santee side, my grandmother came down.
[00:02:31.550]She was born in 1890, and she came down
[00:02:33.970]from Morton, Minnesota, to the Santee reservation.
[00:02:37.430]So then going forward, my mother left the reservation
[00:02:41.470]and moved to North Fork, Nebraska.
[00:02:43.440]So I grew up first generation off reservation.
[00:02:46.610]I'm an urban Indian.
[00:02:48.150]And I went to school in North Fork, Nebraska,
[00:02:50.360]and then I eventually received my bachelor's and master's
[00:02:53.570]from Doane University in Lincoln
[00:02:55.930]as a nontraditional student and single mother,
[00:02:58.320]and I now am a trustee at Doane University,
[00:03:01.780]so that's kind of my journey from the Genoa Indian School
[00:03:06.900]to up to today, and I have two daughters
[00:03:09.430]who both graduated from the University of Nebraska.
[00:03:12.480]One is a teacher, and the other one
[00:03:14.550]then went on to law school in New York, Columbia Law School,
[00:03:17.900]and she practices international law at Akin Gump,
[00:03:20.880]and Indian policy is her field,
[00:03:24.040]and water law is her specialty.
[00:03:25.960]So it's really, the arc from the Genoa Indian School
[00:03:30.220]to kill the Indian, and then ironically,
[00:03:32.920]my daughter is advocating on behalf of Indians,
[00:03:35.550]and my life work, for the past 22 years,
[00:03:38.220]has been to serve our Native people
[00:03:40.830]in the whole state of Nebraska.
[00:03:42.830]And so I just really am blessed and honored,
[00:03:45.130]and feel that it's sort of natural
[00:03:47.900]that I came from those leaders,
[00:03:49.330]and of my 10 brothers and sisters, that I'm the one
[00:03:52.590]that's now providing a voice for our people.
[00:03:56.250]Sure, and what a legacy you're leaving as well
[00:03:59.160]through your family, Judi.
[00:04:01.060]So, you have been with the commission for those 22 years?
[00:04:05.160]Since 1995.
[00:04:07.000]Prior to that, I worked for the Ponca Tribe
[00:04:08.840]as our first NAGPRA person that dealt
[00:04:12.560]with the return of human remains.
[00:04:14.240]Our tribe was restored in 1990,
[00:04:16.660]and that's the same year that the federal law was enacted,
[00:04:20.980]and the state of Nebraska was the first state
[00:04:22.770]to have human remains protections.
[00:04:24.944]Well, that's a proud story that you've had a big part in.
[00:04:29.010]Well listen, you represent an important segment
[00:04:32.320]of Nebraska's culture, our economy, and our history.
[00:04:37.600]Native people and communities are not homogeneous.
[00:04:40.720]They have differences.
[00:04:42.900]They have complex and differing histories,
[00:04:45.570]some of which you've just described,
[00:04:47.120]as well as varying contemporary challenges
[00:04:50.060]and opportunities, and simply ways of viewing the world.
[00:04:53.660]Give us a picture of Indian country
[00:04:55.280]in Nebraska a little bit.
[00:04:57.540]Well, I think a lot of Nebraskans don't realize
[00:05:00.250]that Indian people are in their communities,
[00:05:03.260]and they really have no clue.
[00:05:05.620]More Indian people live off-reservation than on-reservation.
[00:05:09.510]And so, like myself, they're urban Indians.
[00:05:13.500]We have three land-based reservations in our state
[00:05:16.150]where the offices are headquartered.
[00:05:18.310]So headquarter tribes, the Santee Sioux have a reservation,
[00:05:23.370]the Omaha, and the Winnebago.
[00:05:25.630]The Winnebago were forcibly brought to Nebraska,
[00:05:28.260]as the Santee Sioux were.
[00:05:30.570]The Ponca Tribe, the story of Standing Bear,
[00:05:33.640]we were forcibly removed, but luckily,
[00:05:36.140]we're able to come back home.
[00:05:37.620]But then we're terminated in '62.
[00:05:39.180]So we went from four reservations to three,
[00:05:42.490]and many Nebraskans don't know that.
[00:05:45.540]The picture, numbers-wise, we're small in numbers,
[00:05:49.670]and so when you see these different maps
[00:05:53.240]and statistical stories on the news,
[00:05:55.740]it's usually diversity is not Indian people,
[00:05:58.700]it is African Americans, Asians, and Hispanics.
[00:06:01.950]We are not even on the radar screen.
[00:06:04.550]Yet we're the first people, so that's unfortunate.
[00:06:07.850]But we really feel like today in Nebraska,
[00:06:11.390]good things are happening, maybe not as fast
[00:06:13.960]as all would like, but we've made progress
[00:06:17.080]from when I started in 1995 until today.
[00:06:21.020]The footprint has grown, we have changed
[00:06:23.810]some of the negative stereotypes.
[00:06:25.340]We have so many of our young people
[00:06:26.880]that are going to the university,
[00:06:28.370]and other colleges, and graduating in all fields,
[00:06:31.810]so we are very proud of our young people,
[00:06:34.950]and the legacy, and it's great.
[00:06:37.660]Well listen, thinking of success stories,
[00:06:41.620]one of the most dramatic success stories
[00:06:44.320]with Native Americans in Nebraska would be Ho-Chunk Inc.,
[00:06:47.670]owned by the Winnebago tribe.
[00:06:50.720]Lance Morgan is a well-known figure around the state
[00:06:53.850]who's really not only driven that entrepreneurial venture,
[00:06:58.770]but has been a spokesperson for that work.
[00:07:03.350]So, talk a little bit about what's going on there,
[00:07:06.970]and what that might mean for other elements
[00:07:10.210]of the Native community in Nebraska.
[00:07:12.370]Okay, Lance Morgan is really a great Nebraskan,
[00:07:15.910]a hero for all of us, and he went
[00:07:18.690]to the University of Nebraska,
[00:07:20.600]and then to Harvard, he's an attorney.
[00:07:22.490]We're very proud of Lance, and he's just
[00:07:24.510]a great spokesperson.
[00:07:26.270]Throughout Indian country, throughout the whole
[00:07:28.080]United States of America, he has received
[00:07:29.880]many awards from Harvard.
[00:07:31.530]What they've done in that rural community up on Highway 77,
[00:07:35.190]is something that our state should be very proud of,
[00:07:37.810]but oftentimes, isn't really touted as much
[00:07:40.510]as I think it should be.
[00:07:42.090]But you think, they have a tribal college,
[00:07:44.610]they have a hospital, they have a roundabout,
[00:07:47.170]how many rural towns in Nebraska have a roundabout?
[00:07:51.170]They have done so many great things
[00:07:53.610]through Lance's leadership, and they have internal stability
[00:07:57.480]where the governance has been allowed to
[00:08:00.460]guarantee the success, and that's often,
[00:08:02.780]in Indian country, many times, internal challenges
[00:08:07.030]sabotage the project.
[00:08:08.630]So I think Lance has lent support to other tribes
[00:08:12.640]in Nebraska, and they look to him, he partners with them,
[00:08:16.670]and provides a lot of leadership abilities.
[00:08:19.380]The Ho-Chunk Nation has received a lot of assistance too
[00:08:22.160]from the Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux,
[00:08:24.530]another tribe in Minneapolis who have been very successful.
[00:08:27.710]My Santee relatives, so.
[00:08:29.790]I think that Lance will continue to do great things.
[00:08:33.080]And how they did that was through Indian gaming dollars.
[00:08:37.450]Our state doesn't have gaming,
[00:08:38.840]but other lands extend into Iowa,
[00:08:41.540]and Iowa does allow for gaming.
[00:08:43.620]So in the beginning, it was exclusive Indian gaming.
[00:08:45.930]Then, the Las Vegas people came in,
[00:08:48.820]and we have those casinos.
[00:08:50.330]But the Winnebago tribe was very forward-thinking,
[00:08:54.630]they invested through lands in Ho-Chunk,
[00:08:56.550]they diversified their economy.
[00:08:58.430]That has put them in a position to be able to
[00:09:01.690]continue to grow, and they have contracts
[00:09:04.640]all over the United States, federal contracts.
[00:09:07.620]They don't just rely on jobs there.
[00:09:10.840]The money comes back.
[00:09:12.060]You want new dollars to come into communities.
[00:09:14.180]You can't just make money off of the people there.
[00:09:18.250]So with tribes and the tax structures as it is,
[00:09:21.720]that's a challenge.
[00:09:22.630]So yes, Lance is super, super great,
[00:09:25.560]and we think that he's done a magnificent job
[00:09:28.530]that other rural communities in Nebraska could look to.
[00:09:32.080]I also think the Santee Sioux Nation,
[00:09:34.050]that's another example of a community
[00:09:36.870]that's kinda off the beaten path,
[00:09:39.060]that have done good things.
[00:09:40.570]My 12 years in Oklahoma included
[00:09:43.210]a good bit of work with the Chickasaw Nation,
[00:09:45.680]and others that makes me think,
[00:09:49.050]every time I look at Ho-Chunk Inc., two things,
[00:09:51.540]number one, while there was strong leadership,
[00:09:54.650]there was also an effort to develop other leaders
[00:09:57.750]within the group that are coming along,
[00:10:00.800]taking responsibility for, number two, the diversity
[00:10:04.810]that they're starting to create in their economic models.
[00:10:07.930]So it isn't just gaming that would be relied upon,
[00:10:12.550]but actually building out, and then consequently,
[00:10:15.270]the community is strengthened with healthcare,
[00:10:17.630]with education, those things that really do,
[00:10:20.920]we know, spell long-term viability,
[00:10:24.320]and a thriving capacity for a rural community,
[00:10:26.960]so I think it's been a great story.
[00:10:28.710]Well listen, so that's one of the most dramatic stories
[00:10:32.760]in Nebraska, but there are other communities
[00:10:36.270]where Native leaders have said,
[00:10:39.490]"You know, we're not okay with where we are.
[00:10:42.010]"We think we know where we wanna go.
[00:10:45.020]"We wanna do some things together
[00:10:47.020]"to enhance education opportunities,
[00:10:49.620]"economic development opportunities,
[00:10:51.190]"building upon our cultural values,
[00:10:54.430]"but moving toward a stronger community."
[00:10:56.120]Talk about some of those efforts
[00:10:58.840]that are maybe a little less well-known,
[00:11:01.180]less spotlighted, than Ho-Chunk.
[00:11:03.820]Okay, I'd go back to the Santee Sioux Nation,
[00:11:06.130]because they are way up in northeastern Nebraska,
[00:11:10.320]and you have to drive 12 miles off the highway
[00:11:13.490]to get to the reservation, so that is really
[00:11:16.010]an isolated community, but they have a tribal college,
[00:11:19.610]which is part of the Omaha Nation Tribal College,
[00:11:22.010]Nebraska Indian Community College.
[00:11:24.180]And so the Santee were able to most recently
[00:11:27.900]develop a golf course.
[00:11:29.680]And it's a beautiful golf course that is designed
[00:11:33.390]like some of the greatest golf courses
[00:11:35.230]in the whole United States.
[00:11:36.970]And what's unique about that is they've been able
[00:11:38.980]to take their cultural values and infuse them
[00:11:42.220]into the various holes.
[00:11:43.610]I'm not a golfer myself, but the summer we went up there,
[00:11:45.820]and we had a tour, rode around on the golf course,
[00:11:48.240]and the sand traps, is that what you call them?
[00:11:50.459]Yes, yes. They're shaped
[00:11:51.810]like a bear foot claw, they have a fox,
[00:11:56.300]different symbols that are culturally special
[00:12:00.110]to the Santee Sioux Dakota Nation.
[00:12:02.250]They also have at each hole, when you're there,
[00:12:05.200]standing around visiting with your colleagues,
[00:12:07.130]you can read these kiosks that tell about
[00:12:10.960]what the significance of that particular sand trap is,
[00:12:15.480]and you learn more about the tribe's culture.
[00:12:19.000]So I think that's a really awesome way
[00:12:21.620]of bringing your culture into, also,
[00:12:24.800]activities that help you to be strong warrior people
[00:12:28.690]through good health.
[00:12:30.060]So they want their young people,
[00:12:31.720]golf is something that Native people can do.
[00:12:34.330]We also can go to college.
[00:12:35.900]We can do all the things that other people do.
[00:12:38.380]And there's nothing wrong with tribal people
[00:12:40.450]being successful, and I'm so proud of my Santee relatives,
[00:12:44.740]that through the leadership of Chairman Roger Trudell,
[00:12:47.330]who's been there a long time, through gaming dollars,
[00:12:49.990]they have a Class II casino, because they're in Nebraska,
[00:12:52.810]they can't have a Class III casino.
[00:12:55.330]They had for a while when I first started
[00:12:57.070]under Governor Nelson, a non-compacted class,
[00:13:00.200]sort of like a Class III casino,
[00:13:02.040]but there, I think, is an example.
[00:13:04.790]The Ponca Tribe has tried to develop without a reservation
[00:13:08.070]some tourism through the story of Standing Bear.
[00:13:12.350]They have an earth lodge over at Niobrara,
[00:13:14.860]and some new sculpture pieces that they've created,
[00:13:19.710]and they're doing a lot of innovative things.
[00:13:22.640]And then if you go down to the southern part of the state,
[00:13:25.000]the 19.5 miles of the Standing Bear Trail
[00:13:28.300]that the tribe took too from the Nebraska
[00:13:30.980]Trails Foundation.
[00:13:32.360]That's a good example of a partnership,
[00:13:34.720]and it's a win-win for the state of Nebraska,
[00:13:37.290]and it's also helpful to all the communities along the way,
[00:13:41.730]whether that's Beatrice, down to Barneston,
[00:13:44.350]and for the Ponca Tribe.
[00:13:46.100]And that too promotes healthy living.
[00:13:48.810]Riding bicycles, golfing.
[00:13:50.860]So for our children and going forward,
[00:13:54.070]we want our people to be successful in a holistic way,
[00:13:58.090]that we can be educated, but that we don't have
[00:14:00.690]to give up who we are.
[00:14:02.150]That we can stay connected to our tribal values
[00:14:07.940]of respect for place.
[00:14:10.700]We love Nebraska.
[00:14:11.950]We love the Cornhuskers, but we also love
[00:14:14.920]our Dakota stories, and all of the other,
[00:14:18.990]the Winnebago, the Ho-Chunk, those stories.
[00:14:21.650]And so that's what's really great about working
[00:14:23.310]at the Indian commission, that I can be a part
[00:14:25.690]of working with the legislature, the governor too,
[00:14:29.180]through the 150 celebrations to make sure
[00:14:31.420]that those stories were told.
[00:14:32.780]On Centennial Mall, we've just redone that,
[00:14:34.820]$9 million project, there's a footprint
[00:14:37.370]of Native presence on that mall.
[00:14:40.410]And wherever possible, that's what I try to do,
[00:14:43.280]is to bring the voice of the first people,
[00:14:45.860]and in a proud, good way that can benefit the whole state.
[00:14:49.600]You're always bringing people together,
[00:14:51.180]and I have to tell you, one of the reasons
[00:14:54.050]I wanted to have Judi on this show
[00:14:56.480]is that she's very deeply involved in a project now
[00:14:59.920]that really has captured my imagination,
[00:15:03.070]and that's the restoration of the Dr. Susan LaFlesche
[00:15:06.490]Picotte home and hospital in the rural community
[00:15:09.470]of Walthill, Nebraska.
[00:15:11.360]Some of you, I know, have read UNL Professor Joe Starita's
[00:15:16.220]book Warrior of the People, that tells this fascinating
[00:15:20.050]story of Dr. Susan and her life, 'cause she not only
[00:15:24.230]was the first Native American medical doctor,
[00:15:28.260]but she was just a genuine hero in so many ways.
[00:15:33.270]So, Judi, I know you're helping to lead that effort
[00:15:36.560]for that restoration, I want you to talk
[00:15:38.460]a little bit about what's going on there,
[00:15:41.040]and what some of your dreams are for that great project.
[00:15:44.400]Wow, that is something that I'm really enjoying
[00:15:46.990]working on, and we have so may great Nebraskans
[00:15:49.380]that are joining the team, if you will.
[00:15:51.690]Back in the day of Standing Bear,
[00:15:53.290]there were all the people in Omaha that helped,
[00:15:56.290]the newspaper people.
[00:15:57.530]And when we just recently did that trail,
[00:15:59.280]we worked with Ross Greathouse and Lynne Lightner.
[00:16:01.800]So when I was working with Ross and connecting them
[00:16:03.930]to the Ponca Tribe, I said, Ross,
[00:16:05.350]when you're done with this, I've got another project
[00:16:07.540]I need you to help me raise money for, because I--
[00:16:09.880]This is your story. Yes.
[00:16:10.970]I visited with Omaha tribal folks.
[00:16:14.350]And Joe's book, the story's out there,
[00:16:16.690]but the hospital is in such a sad state of affairs.
[00:16:21.220]Dr. Susan built that hospital with $23,000
[00:16:24.590]of money that she earned, no federal funds, state dollars,
[00:16:27.670]private donors, but it has deteriorated.
[00:16:31.160]So Ross said, sure I will.
[00:16:32.800]So now we've put together a team of people,
[00:16:34.820]and we are going tomorrow over to Fremont,
[00:16:38.000]that's our location that the tribal members
[00:16:40.910]come down from Macy, and then people from Omaha.
[00:16:44.510]We have a team right now of Gary Bowen from BVH,
[00:16:47.240]he's an architect that's giving in kind,
[00:16:49.630]another colleague at his firm as well,
[00:16:52.250]and then David Levy signed on as an attorney
[00:16:54.920]to help us pro bono.
[00:16:57.550]Let's see, Dr. Bruce Sheffield is a retired pediatrician,
[00:17:01.120]he's a part of the team.
[00:17:03.120]Mary Hines from Omaha, and we've got a young Native girl
[00:17:07.600]out of Omaha at UNMC that's joined on.
[00:17:11.820]So it's growing, we've raised about $30,000,
[00:17:14.570]we need to raise at least $1 million,
[00:17:16.460]so if there's anyone out there that's listening
[00:17:18.560]that would like to lend support,
[00:17:19.940]and our goal is to restore the hospital
[00:17:23.200]to what it looked like back in the 1900s.
[00:17:25.820]Dr. Susan only lived to be 50, but that hospital,
[00:17:29.550]she was so ahead of her time, forward-thinking,
[00:17:32.400]and we want to reestablish it as a museum of sorts
[00:17:36.290]to tell the story of Dr. Susan, but other stories as well,
[00:17:39.790]bring in visiting, maybe have artists in residence,
[00:17:44.750]have art exhibits.
[00:17:46.010]I was at MONA yesterday, and I was thinking,
[00:17:48.270]we could partner with MONA and bring things from there.
[00:17:50.940]We also want to have a purpose, so we may have
[00:17:53.540]some medical outreach there, a clinic, perhaps.
[00:17:58.906]The Omaha Tribe has totally bought into this,
[00:18:02.170]they're onboard, they have given us support financially,
[00:18:05.890]so I think our goal is, in two years,
[00:18:09.360]to have raised the money, and to have that hospital
[00:18:12.920]restored as a place where people can come,
[00:18:16.230]and the local community of Walthill can be proud of,
[00:18:19.310]and it will be something that tourists coming in
[00:18:22.650]to Omaha, Nebraska, can get in their car, come over,
[00:18:26.170]and they can visit that, and see,
[00:18:28.160]the German people wanna know about Indian people,
[00:18:30.770]and they can learn about Dr. Susan,
[00:18:32.740]go to the reservations, go up to Ho-Chunk,
[00:18:34.820]see that beautiful village that was created,
[00:18:37.060]then drive over to Santee, go golf,
[00:18:39.490]go over to the Ponca Tribe,
[00:18:41.010]see some great things over there.
[00:18:43.380]And so, through the Dr. Susan hospital,
[00:18:46.500]I think we're gonna tell a lot of other stories,
[00:18:48.770]and it's really fascinating, and I hope that
[00:18:51.640]it's something that we can accomplish
[00:18:53.680]in my time yet here at the Indian commission.
[00:18:56.370]Well, I think it's a very exciting project.
[00:18:58.150]Listen Judi, we're running out of time,
[00:19:00.020]but you are one of those special human beings
[00:19:01.930]that we have the opportunity to get to know
[00:19:04.480]at the Rural Futures Institute.
[00:19:05.910]Your sparkling talents and your intellect,
[00:19:10.310]you could've been successful anywhere,
[00:19:11.850]you could've gone to New York, LA, Hong Kong,
[00:19:14.840]and invested yourself.
[00:19:16.610]We're awfully glad that you chose to invest yourself
[00:19:19.530]here in Nebraska, and in this region.
[00:19:21.820]You're really a special citizen in this part of the world,
[00:19:24.600]we're glad to know you.
[00:19:25.700]Anything you'd like to add today?
[00:19:28.370]No, I'd just like, echo what you say,
[00:19:30.480]that this is a beautiful place to live,
[00:19:32.090]and the older I get, I have four grandchildren now,
[00:19:34.300]and a fifth due any day, that place is important,
[00:19:37.740]and I can see why Standing Bear's son
[00:19:39.420]wanted to be buried back along the Niobrara,
[00:19:42.030]and I'm just really blessed that I get to serve
[00:19:45.820]all the tribes and all the Indian people,
[00:19:47.450]and all the citizens of the state,
[00:19:49.240]and I don't really wanna go anywhere else.
[00:19:52.420]This is a good place to live.
[00:19:54.610]Nebraska is a wonderful place.
[00:19:56.800]We're glad you're here.
[00:19:57.840]Well listen, we want you to stay in touch
[00:19:59.450]with the Rural Futures Institute through Facebook, Twitter,
[00:20:02.760]Instagram, I understand, and as well as our
[00:20:07.610]recently-revamped website that we think you'll enjoy.
[00:20:12.190]We'll be back in weeks to come,
[00:20:14.010]talking to other real people, looking at real places,
[00:20:17.410]success stories that demonstrate that
[00:20:19.910]thriving rural communities are a legitimate best choice
[00:20:22.840]for worthwhile living.
[00:20:23.850]Thanks for joining us.

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Catch Up With Chuck | Episode 11 | Building Hope in Native American Communities

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