Enrique Chagoya at Sheldon Museum of Art

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Artist Enrique Chagoya discusses "Reverse Modernism/Reverse Anthropology," his riff on Modernist appropriation of imagery from so-called primitive cultures, as embodied in his 1999 painting "Le Cannibale Moderniste." The canvas, which is part of the permanent collection of Sheldon Museum of Art at the University of Nebraska, is featured in the exhibition "Uncommon Likeness: Identity in Flux" through December 31, 2016.

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[00:00:06.540]thank you I think
[00:00:08.880]and be happy
[00:00:11.740]a
[00:00:12.660]about the
[00:00:14.650]another exhibition i think it's called
[00:00:16.660]transnational and give a lecture them to
[00:00:21.460]I'm really very happy to be like again
[00:00:24.310]and enjoy the very nice exhibition
[00:00:28.990]upstairs that but i feel you know very
[00:00:31.840]flattered to be part of any way so let
[00:00:38.140]me see i'm going to start this is not
[00:00:39.940]the first slide I have too many images
[00:00:43.059]so i'm not going to talk about
[00:00:44.290]everything because I will spend here the
[00:00:48.129]whole night so so I'm gonna stay with
[00:00:54.549]the little bit of background and I grew
[00:00:57.010]up in mexico city in my mom I mean
[00:01:01.449]pretty much from working-class parents
[00:01:03.129]middle-class guy might but my mom was a
[00:01:07.360]seamstress here for many years and she
[00:01:11.619]wanted a pen much of mine and thats
[00:01:13.689]income that you wanted some independence
[00:01:15.759]from my diet and she have great sense of
[00:01:18.490]justice herself even though you know she
[00:01:22.060]was not very political or or you know
[00:01:24.820]study any political theory or what's
[00:01:26.890]left is still right nothing much but she
[00:01:28.900]knew what was right or wrong
[00:01:31.480]there was a time when she came back
[00:01:33.760]crying at home I was 15 years old this
[00:01:36.700]is 1968 and this when there was a
[00:01:39.850]student uprising mexico city right
[00:01:42.730]before the olympic games and she saw
[00:01:45.700]police killing an 11 year old kid and
[00:01:48.370]she was so upset she was crying and I
[00:01:50.800]started crying with her at the same time
[00:01:52.570]I don't create a big impression on me
[00:01:55.240]because then i wanted to understand
[00:01:56.890]what's going on in the world with
[00:01:58.690]society with violence
[00:02:00.909]I i still didn't understand it i want to
[00:02:04.510]but it's really hard
[00:02:06.490]even these days especially these days
[00:02:08.530]but anyway singh in few words my mom was
[00:02:12.760]an influence in the intention of my
[00:02:14.170]sensibility where was you know I was
[00:02:16.269]interested in understanding in the world
[00:02:18.220]this another picture of hair my dad
[00:02:23.439]painted over so he put too much red on
[00:02:25.959]the leaves so you know
[00:02:27.069]simply overdone my dad how was maybe a
[00:02:34.510]was telling some friends here the wrong
[00:02:36.879]role model for me he was an artist who
[00:02:41.469]didn't make a living as an artist but he
[00:02:43.540]ended up working for the central bank in
[00:02:45.730]Mexico City the central bank was the
[00:02:48.549]mean so they the you know polish they
[00:02:52.540]printed the money and the job of my dad
[00:02:56.349]was to catch criminals who were doing
[00:02:58.540]forgeries or we're doing friday and he
[00:03:03.250]was involved in many of rest and
[00:03:04.959]sometimes he had befriended some of
[00:03:08.139]these con artists in jail he used to
[00:03:10.959]bring them art supplies things like that
[00:03:13.989]and then they would tell him why they do
[00:03:16.090]what they did
[00:03:17.079]apparently that works better than
[00:03:18.639]waterboarding ya heard being friendly
[00:03:22.239]you know how anyway so it's this picture
[00:03:25.150]of here
[00:03:25.959]he almost became a wrestler you know
[00:03:28.540]that looks like Superman almost here but
[00:03:30.459]it was a scary that together because you
[00:03:32.319]know how short temper and you didn't
[00:03:33.879]want to make him to upset but besides
[00:03:38.049]you know he influencing me with his
[00:03:43.540]office just by taking me there when i
[00:03:45.189]was ten years old and he left a big
[00:03:47.650]impression he had a big skull of a
[00:03:49.629]criminal or his there's things like that
[00:03:52.030]also I guess he got filled up with me
[00:03:56.139]when I keep asking him to teach me to to
[00:03:59.169]make drawings for me here I keep asking
[00:04:00.939]to draw anymore shaves things and he
[00:04:04.479]rather decided to do it myself because
[00:04:07.120]he didn't want to do it and so that was
[00:04:09.430]a mistake it for me i was 7 years to all
[00:04:11.799]models when he got me my first paycheck
[00:04:13.989]coming sketching lessons how to draw
[00:04:16.959]color theory and I can't stop since then
[00:04:21.250]anyway so I'm going to move on i could
[00:04:24.490]tell you more about my family but it's
[00:04:26.139]that's a noble that's a different thing
[00:04:28.930]so so I have done many series of works
[00:04:34.000]and and perhaps the influence of of
[00:04:36.820]being with my dad
[00:04:38.510]my dad's office made me want to do many
[00:04:41.180]look-alikes when I study history of
[00:04:46.100]printmaking at the San Francisco Ortiz
[00:04:47.930]did I was lucky to run into original
[00:04:50.090]prints by a Spanish artist Francisco
[00:04:52.880]lawyer from the existence of water
[00:04:55.040]especially and had it decided to make my
[00:04:59.210]own versions of them and again this is
[00:05:02.750]back 1983 when well we can invaded
[00:05:06.380]Central America and he just declared
[00:05:11.690]himself a contra the contest where these
[00:05:14.300]guerrilla groups who were fighting the
[00:05:17.060]Sandinistas and the there was a
[00:05:21.410]commission organized by henry kissinger
[00:05:23.210]the winter naked aware and they declare
[00:05:25.580]that because i was a puppet of the
[00:05:28.070]Soviet Union which was nonsense i mean
[00:05:31.280]you can always a coalition of christian
[00:05:33.230]group some marks is too but they were
[00:05:36.290]the way it was more cup very very open
[00:05:39.140]the the the fight against the
[00:05:41.300]dictatorship that was there for about
[00:05:42.920]over 30 years this almost a family and i
[00:05:46.430]was there i went to get out when people
[00:05:47.930]were very excited at the time this is
[00:05:49.580]1981 when I went there so when Regan
[00:05:53.570]decided that they were communists he
[00:05:58.700]answered to finance the contrast even
[00:06:02.300]against congress he decided to make a
[00:06:06.320]drawing of him and I found this print by
[00:06:10.700]go yeah and I didn't change the title
[00:06:12.590]contract has the word contouring it so
[00:06:15.530]control being canal is against the
[00:06:17.510]common good and the translation so arm
[00:06:21.410]and I did the first look a light thing I
[00:06:24.920]ever do as an artist I was stealing my
[00:06:26.870]last year of undergrad school at the san
[00:06:29.090]francisco art institute when I made this
[00:06:31.100]this spring and it left a mark
[00:06:33.500]eventually added an addition of these
[00:06:35.810]but not feel 2003
[00:06:40.490]so it was about 20 years later so other
[00:06:46.699]prints that influenced my work this
[00:06:51.229]design of a gas mask
[00:06:53.360]I don't know that whatever much produce
[00:06:55.789]but you know your online and look for
[00:06:57.560]the world disney gas mask so i decided
[00:07:02.630]to put in in my version of that teaching
[00:07:05.000]is how it looks in the print from 2003
[00:07:08.810]alright so i did a self-portrait again
[00:07:13.130]we gonna shoe was too big for me and go
[00:07:17.330]just had a in it's pretty much a
[00:07:20.960]disclaimer because I didn't want to
[00:07:22.250]compete with go yet the intimidating so
[00:07:24.800]I just wanted to do something like four
[00:07:26.900]days without getting caught
[00:07:29.479]so how this is going you're getting to
[00:07:33.590]know Posada another of my favorite
[00:07:35.000]printmakers from Mexico on there being
[00:07:38.090]introduced by death and there was the
[00:07:40.310]the rich lady or Katrina that pasala
[00:07:44.240]creative very popular on day of the dead
[00:07:47.300]actually
[00:07:48.199]so my prince and this was one of my
[00:07:51.590]early appropriations of European are I
[00:07:54.199]make two kinds of appropriations and one
[00:07:58.340]is like contribute to go in this case
[00:08:00.680]this is an homage to go yeah this is not
[00:08:02.479]reversed modernism other reverse
[00:08:04.250]anything is the plane straight a
[00:08:07.550]mediation for an artist liguria and
[00:08:10.789]maybe a good curse for that because now
[00:08:14.180]we have a ringing in my ear go was kind
[00:08:17.389]of death
[00:08:18.380]I'm sorry I did it and hit so you have
[00:08:23.030]your damage now
[00:08:24.349]yeah but I learned to live with it in
[00:08:27.349]any case oh and because a lot of the
[00:08:29.659]artists I'd reprobate are parties that i
[00:08:33.919]love even though you see it because of
[00:08:36.110]being attacked while in clean the
[00:08:37.820]painting here I'd love began selection
[00:08:40.760]and he left a mark on me but anyway um
[00:08:43.578]so I can move really fast in these
[00:08:46.370]because here
[00:08:49.490]you know I really don't have a lot of
[00:08:52.580]time
[00:08:53.450]this is another series of gorgeous
[00:08:55.790]prints that I used from the preachers is
[00:08:59.000]my carrier serious something teeth and
[00:09:04.190]this is based on the idea that the if
[00:09:09.020]you get a tooth coming out of a
[00:09:10.520]anchorperson how will bring you a very
[00:09:13.700]good luck and of course of a goy was
[00:09:18.740]critiquing the superstitions that we're
[00:09:22.310]going around in spain in the late
[00:09:24.800]seventeen hundreds early eighteen
[00:09:26.720]hundreds and this was the time when the
[00:09:29.600]Holy Inquisition was you know very very
[00:09:31.850]strong and going to have to be very very
[00:09:34.100]careful with settings because she could
[00:09:36.500]have been executed by the Holy
[00:09:38.000]Inquisition on the grounds that he was
[00:09:39.410]portraying superstition and that he
[00:09:41.630]might believe in there or you're
[00:09:43.279]criticizing religion or whatever but he
[00:09:46.520]got saved by the king by charles fort
[00:09:48.589]key transport it say that he
[00:09:52.220]commissioned this etchings and so save
[00:09:55.640]his his skin anyway where was with me
[00:09:59.510]was not that somebody believe that you
[00:10:03.110]you have good luck from the tooth of a
[00:10:05.450]anchorperson but the fact that you go
[00:10:08.390]out at night and fine King in people
[00:10:10.579]from I mean that's the scary part so so
[00:10:16.010]i did it with a stereotype of a Mexican
[00:10:17.930]like a monster here like a red pink with
[00:10:22.339]it's not like you know he loved the KKK
[00:10:26.420]and anyway so this is fidel castro dying
[00:10:32.930]i made this in 1989 and fellow has been
[00:10:36.529]dying since nineteen
[00:10:37.980]poor guy is endless did so for trait
[00:10:46.170]that was much younger than uh-huh
[00:10:50.520]so I noticed that these prints in the
[00:10:53.250]exhibition upstairs and that that's
[00:10:56.130]another one of my favorite prints from
[00:10:59.010]all times at the sleep of Reason
[00:11:01.380]produces monsters
[00:11:03.030]this is supposedly going himself/herself
[00:11:05.520]portrait of him and and the thing is you
[00:11:11.280]know with all these bad and hours and
[00:11:15.600]cats as symbols of evil
[00:11:18.480]I feel that you know this print was
[00:11:20.760]dated because all these animals are
[00:11:23.040]endangered species today in the most not
[00:11:25.740]all the catch but the the bad and I mean
[00:11:31.860]there's all these fungus killing the
[00:11:33.480]bats and possibly do for a credit
[00:11:35.370]culture actually scientists everything
[00:11:37.050]worry about it how all these a lot of
[00:11:39.690]houses and Andrea species and cats
[00:11:43.530]personally some big cats are in danger
[00:11:46.170]like the tiger in some places and some
[00:11:49.110]yup words not how Scott Scott Scott's
[00:11:52.140]are driving you know I had two of them
[00:11:54.240]and you will see one of them in my
[00:11:56.190]lecture but i decided that really scary
[00:11:59.370]things we're more like girl you know
[00:12:02.130]military aircraft and a war basically
[00:12:06.870]decided to leave now older mollica pet
[00:12:09.810]make a nice companion another hole in
[00:12:12.090]the back but on the lower right corner
[00:12:14.190]you could see like a nuclear waste
[00:12:16.650]pollution and you know things are
[00:12:18.660]getting out of control in our society on
[00:12:21.870]enough anyway
[00:12:24.360]jesse helms and Jerry Falwell giving
[00:12:29.100]themselves a pedicure care if I will
[00:12:32.790]complain that the one of the Teletubbies
[00:12:35.580]wasn't gay
[00:12:36.200]a winky winky the purple one and so they
[00:12:40.730]gave him a pedicure too Winky Winky to
[00:12:42.830]but I want to try to cut his legs and
[00:12:46.940]I'm sorry about that anyway
[00:12:51.140]Linda LOL a Linda Tripp and monica
[00:12:55.040]lewinsky sorry but i would I said I
[00:12:57.920]found the world Linda in this idea to
[00:12:59.780]change original words in going as a
[00:13:01.970]change the previous pop the german guy
[00:13:09.230]with his name forget with it
[00:13:13.580]Benedict yeah but Benedict thank you
[00:13:16.670]I because all these pedophilia scandal
[00:13:19.130]happen and he didn't do anything and i
[00:13:23.780]have some Italian friends of mine to
[00:13:25.850]ensure that he quit because his brother
[00:13:27.830]was involved with the people of India
[00:13:29.360]wanna interview but I think that's not
[00:13:32.510]preventable but that's what some Italian
[00:13:34.670]people think how in any case i did one
[00:13:37.670]of those prints by go yeah in that
[00:13:39.590]regard and this you probably could nice
[00:13:43.010]President Obama i put a little kk
[00:13:46.970]character on the bottom because there is
[00:13:48.650]a really serious backlash racist
[00:13:51.560]backlash against the midas for being
[00:13:53.360]black and I don't necessarily agree with
[00:13:55.880]everything that he has done he didn't
[00:13:58.220]fulfill a lot of promises like any
[00:14:00.050]politician a lot of promises that never
[00:14:02.120]come completed or or or done but still
[00:14:07.940]you know I think he was very much
[00:14:11.330]rounded by all these difficult
[00:14:14.030]powers-that-be much neutralize a lot of
[00:14:17.990]the things he wanted to do so that the
[00:14:21.710]translation is you will not escape this
[00:14:24.650]spanish caption on the bottom and this
[00:14:29.000]is a more recent print from ula again
[00:14:33.710]the hat is too big for me and another
[00:14:37.580]disclaimer if anyway so I'm going to
[00:14:43.010]move really fast through
[00:14:45.860]see this one is my second version of the
[00:14:50.630]sleep of reason all this affront between
[00:14:53.899]2012 individuals and 15 this is a report
[00:14:58.519]more dog the owner of fox news I he lost
[00:15:02.149]the contract because he's pie through
[00:15:04.550]the cell phones on a lot of famous
[00:15:06.680]people in England and he lost the
[00:15:08.810]contract of a satellite the art market
[00:15:13.790]here within the paintings by damien
[00:15:17.240]hirst Vladimir Putin and styling because
[00:15:26.329]they're so homophobic and unfortunately
[00:15:28.190]don't see the the rubber stamp in this
[00:15:29.959]image in the robbers plant stomach with
[00:15:32.600]a guitar electric guitar with the word
[00:15:35.089]pussy riot
[00:15:36.410]yeah everything have this like to put
[00:15:41.089]that in and anyways more about the
[00:15:47.420]pedophilia and I mean I'm very sensitive
[00:15:49.160]I the pedophilia issues because i have i
[00:15:52.730]have known friends like about very close
[00:15:56.390]non-person and I don't want to say names
[00:15:59.510]but her father and you know very much
[00:16:01.670]molested when she was little and it left
[00:16:04.579]the market me so I been sensitive about
[00:16:07.279]these issues of pedophilia and the fact
[00:16:09.170]that the Vatican hasn't done much
[00:16:11.269]continued public seems to be more more a
[00:16:15.920]warrior by the issue hasn't done much
[00:16:18.769]beyond nice peaches so but I hope
[00:16:21.199]something will be done i'll talk more
[00:16:25.399]about it later
[00:16:26.870]it's all these stereotypes rebelling
[00:16:29.690]themselves against this KKK chickens had
[00:16:37.579]the military station of police and so on
[00:16:40.730]another one of the art market with a
[00:16:43.220]sculpture by jeff koons ABC more anyway
[00:16:47.779]so just going to move very quickly i'm
[00:16:50.510]not going to talk about every area
[00:16:51.980]specifically print a lot a lot of the
[00:16:54.199]images are pretty much self-explanatory
[00:16:56.959]is the
[00:16:58.950]George Bush administration loyalty and
[00:17:05.010]this is the you know intelligence
[00:17:10.109]agencies is spying through or iPhones
[00:17:13.230]tape recording my lecture right now from
[00:17:15.839]my point anyway so these are monetize
[00:17:22.619]this is one-of-a-kind is a really big
[00:17:24.270]you know about live 3 by 4 feet their
[00:17:31.830]version so there's another print i made
[00:17:33.870]this one right after president obama won
[00:17:35.790]the elections in 2008 so this is from
[00:17:38.160]2009 and is the inauguration car and
[00:17:42.720]somehow have the impression that things
[00:17:44.910]were not going to move very fast so I
[00:17:46.680]made these carnival courage but with no
[00:17:49.590]wheels so it doesn't seem like he's
[00:17:52.830]going to many places Hillary Clinton is
[00:17:55.230]on top of the glove and Joe Biden on the
[00:17:58.410]right and michelle obama on the left is
[00:18:04.200]another one this is after George however
[00:18:07.410]by the way the original artist from this
[00:18:09.720]is a French artists jack
[00:18:11.670]hello and this is a pretty saturday is
[00:18:16.680]different than 1,700 yours
[00:18:19.590]cruickshank and so I made my version of
[00:18:23.790]it the heck i made these for the
[00:18:27.690]processing back library in philadelphia
[00:18:30.420]for the print festival villa grafica
[00:18:33.090]another like kind of forgeries this is
[00:18:37.560]the influence of my dad you know how so
[00:18:41.040]we made this electronic dollar that
[00:18:43.770]gives you is instant public there so i
[00:18:48.480]made this when the public dip was 11
[00:18:51.300]trillion dollars i think when i was 18
[00:18:53.460]trillion dollars so $73 ago and they
[00:18:57.060]share their household in this case was
[00:18:59.580]88 announced about me
[00:19:01.110]$80,000 we are alone and we change all
[00:19:04.980]the writing like this is a federal
[00:19:07.080]bailout note the entire States of
[00:19:10.920]America and one recession still one
[00:19:14.250]dollar so it printed whole sheet them to
[00:19:19.770]just to make like real money
[00:19:22.110]it was really good when you put make
[00:19:23.640]money and you can get away with it and a
[00:19:27.059]close-up Madison Doerr double print this
[00:19:31.049]is the role of undocumented immigration
[00:19:33.030]on the dollar and this little mexican
[00:19:36.270]that is embedded in the George
[00:19:40.230]Washington and this is my version of 1
[00:19:44.820]billion dollar we just made this one is
[00:19:46.650]the inequality States of America and
[00:19:50.549]this about you how income has been
[00:19:53.130]developing a huge gap between the haves
[00:19:57.000]and the have-nots this is the back in
[00:20:03.210]text pulse we trust
[00:20:05.429]yeah usually very few of my charcoal
[00:20:10.919]drawing side i did this actually really
[00:20:13.679]big like seven feet by 7 feet how I made
[00:20:17.070]this after i finish my my school at the
[00:20:19.350]san francisco art institute for an
[00:20:22.200]exhibition of article against
[00:20:23.850]intervention in Central America
[00:20:25.410]organized by a critic from New York
[00:20:27.480]loosely part and it left a mark on me
[00:20:31.950]too and I didn't want to make art when I
[00:20:34.799]make these wrongs I felt this is a
[00:20:36.840]tutorial returning it was not hard on
[00:20:40.380]you know because before I mean I makes
[00:20:43.049]it was doing abstract painting I believe
[00:20:45.090]in constructivism and things like that
[00:20:47.010]somehow something changed when i moved
[00:20:50.070]here and I began the cartoonist in me
[00:20:52.799]came out somebody destroyed at work
[00:20:55.950]hey it's hard to see here but the west
[00:20:57.750]or and so I decide to make a 4g of my
[00:20:59.549]own drawings i made a second version of
[00:21:01.950]it and this one it's owned by this time
[00:21:06.720]for museum from the cantor arts center
[00:21:08.910]this cabin during the iran-contra
[00:21:10.679]hearings
[00:21:12.880]and we run away again declared him
[00:21:15.070]remember a lot of the demons he had with
[00:21:17.050]selling arms to the Iranians visit as
[00:21:22.540]the collections sfmoma anyway so i made
[00:21:31.120]a drawing bases on this pain these are a
[00:21:33.190]radial symmetry that you can find in the
[00:21:36.310]book by the US Chamber this equality of
[00:21:39.010]Christ in Renaissance art and modern
[00:21:41.980]obion and is jesus coming and direction
[00:21:45.070]it's a little hard to hear because the
[00:21:47.140]kind of movie you know the images not be
[00:21:49.810]maybe but kissing his mom and there's a
[00:21:54.040]whole chapter of their lives timber
[00:21:55.600]brought about this piece basically
[00:21:58.450]claiming that what is showing is that
[00:22:01.090]Jesus was a human being just flesh and
[00:22:03.790]bones and also the idea of a baby with
[00:22:08.740]an erection is an idea of of a king so
[00:22:13.090]time it my own version and it's a whole
[00:22:16.030]series of heart in the Renaissance where
[00:22:18.520]well that's the focus so i made a
[00:22:21.250]collage for that for this book not good
[00:22:24.820]for funding and this is when jesse helms
[00:22:28.480]I take the national endowment for the
[00:22:30.550]arts because I they were using religious
[00:22:33.280]history but you know I mean I don't have
[00:22:37.720]any artist with pain like that today but
[00:22:39.970]it's a very profound industry
[00:22:45.490]and you know fortunately a lot of that
[00:22:48.100]is lost with so much you know political
[00:22:53.260]warfare anyway so i just want to share
[00:22:59.260]this way because this influenced by
[00:23:00.550]philip guston and you are painting
[00:23:02.770]upstairs we're feeling Gaskins have
[00:23:04.450]shoes coming out of like a like a peat
[00:23:07.270]and this court cases and this is not
[00:23:12.580]going to move on to my lecture now
[00:23:15.160]because otherwise i'll be here forever
[00:23:17.920]so i might talk a little bit about my
[00:23:24.190]kahless's maybe a little bit of that my
[00:23:28.540]reverse anthropology I started thinking
[00:23:35.170]about version topology when I learn how
[00:23:38.170]about the destruction of the
[00:23:40.059]pre-columbian books during the conquest
[00:23:42.130]of mexico biking 1521 the biggest
[00:23:45.940]library in the continent the library of
[00:23:49.270]Texcoco westburn all the books that were
[00:23:52.960]in there
[00:23:53.530]burn the library was built at the peak
[00:23:56.530]of the ask the compiler in the late 1400
[00:23:59.500]by an asteroid king who was a poet and
[00:24:02.950]was against human sacrifice
[00:24:05.110]the King needs a while call your ball
[00:24:07.540]I'm it's a short for the feather coyote
[00:24:10.990]that was the translation rking Nets 10
[00:24:14.890]billion human sacrifices and he never
[00:24:16.630]committed one and he revised that idea
[00:24:20.290]for the kingdom he build up a pyramid to
[00:24:24.190]the never seen God because we're him
[00:24:25.900]nobody has ever seen God he created a
[00:24:28.270]pyramid and on the top there was just an
[00:24:30.100]empty room so just a very advanced
[00:24:33.910]thinker
[00:24:34.960]he was a poet as I say and he organized
[00:24:38.020]point three festivals he was an
[00:24:40.240]architect he build up a beautiful
[00:24:43.150]building for the library and build the
[00:24:45.070]biggest library
[00:24:46.300]continent when he died he died in a just
[00:24:52.540]about a year before the arrival of
[00:24:54.100]Columbus to the America so he was very
[00:24:55.870]lucky he didn't see his kingdom
[00:24:58.270]destroyed just about that you know three
[00:25:01.030]decades later as in 1521 all the books
[00:25:05.560]were piled up outside the library and
[00:25:07.780]burn Tina in a pile and there was this a
[00:25:11.680]mass suicide indigenous people who saw
[00:25:14.470]the burning of the books the community
[00:25:16.300]side
[00:25:16.990]I when I learned that story i decided to
[00:25:19.930]make my own versions of those books
[00:25:22.600]because for from that perspective
[00:25:24.160]history is especially in written in
[00:25:27.850]books is written by those who are the
[00:25:30.460]victims of war so and from that
[00:25:34.180]perspective history is not a science but
[00:25:36.220]more like an ideological construction so
[00:25:39.130]i decided to make rather than
[00:25:40.480]ideological construction and
[00:25:42.640]artistically construction of the books
[00:25:45.520]there are only three Mayan books that
[00:25:48.130]survived the fire of the conquest of all
[00:25:50.980]the my own books had the same fate as
[00:25:53.920]the aesthetic books how one single
[00:25:57.460]priest Father Diego the lander burn all
[00:26:00.760]the my own books in Central America and
[00:26:02.560]the Yucatan Peninsula and one of the
[00:26:05.530]books is seeing in Paris experience when
[00:26:09.070]it's in spain in Madrid and one in dress
[00:26:11.440]then I'm anyway so I talk about my books
[00:26:15.400]a little more home a later but a this is
[00:26:21.340]a animals wrong of an indigenous artists
[00:26:24.610]portraying the execution of indigenous
[00:26:26.770]people who didn't want to turn into
[00:26:28.870]Christianity so when i began to do my
[00:26:37.090]vision of history i began to start to
[00:26:42.040]think of the katana mean between
[00:26:44.620]barbarism and civilization which is
[00:26:48.730]something that the Greeks invented for
[00:26:52.030]the Greeks everything outside Greece was
[00:26:53.950]by barium and then that concept was
[00:26:57.730]translated over Europe
[00:26:59.250]when you don't have colonies all over
[00:27:01.740]the world then the colonies worried
[00:27:03.330]about variance and the European were the
[00:27:05.970]civilization harm in that
[00:27:09.210]so you know a lot of stereotypes came
[00:27:11.340]out of it and a lot of things in the
[00:27:14.370]conflict between the west and the east I
[00:27:16.590]thinks unresolved from that history in
[00:27:19.500]my opinion in any case are here ID them
[00:27:22.830]like a pre-columbian miniature with
[00:27:26.160]skull rack and on the right Coco lower
[00:27:30.690]rank with miniatures 2 it's kinda like a
[00:27:35.220]gang and yang mi work and that created
[00:27:38.490]idea of doing
[00:27:39.960]have we works like this one here we see
[00:27:42.450]columbus all just getting the kinds of
[00:27:44.220]the Taino Indians and I maybes painting
[00:27:47.820]basin hands all kinds of hands from
[00:27:52.380]different cultures he and this is when i
[00:27:57.300]began to think of reverse anthropology
[00:27:59.520]pretty much what would be like if
[00:28:02.460]European companies by the Aztecs have
[00:28:06.540]they might have build pyramids where
[00:28:08.130]they used to have churches maybe and I
[00:28:10.770]thought the history might not be two
[00:28:12.660]different because that's where actually
[00:28:14.820]in very violent show them the they were
[00:28:18.390]rolling all the indigenous cultures
[00:28:20.430]around the ask the kingdom and when the
[00:28:24.000]conquest took place the other indigenous
[00:28:26.070]people join the spine is against the
[00:28:27.960]aesthetic so it so at the end humanities
[00:28:32.580]pretty much the same way it seems pcs
[00:28:34.950]and that's maybe my point when i began
[00:28:36.750]to do the reverse anthropology as
[00:28:39.510]serious i decided to really play with a
[00:28:44.340]stereotype of the savage the primitively
[00:28:46.710]the uncivilized the Barbarian and I did
[00:28:51.570]we get Wilson pete wilson was a governor
[00:28:53.850]of california who run his campaign on
[00:28:57.720]anti-immigration
[00:28:59.180]issues so he showed people crossing the
[00:29:01.040]border they're saying you know nothing
[00:29:03.170]different than Donald Trump saying you
[00:29:04.910]know mexicans are just criminals and
[00:29:07.970]rapists and all of them so i could do
[00:29:10.970]the same painting today except i would
[00:29:12.710]not Trump in the port of the guy he
[00:29:15.500]instead
[00:29:16.370]hey so arm in the the writing since in
[00:29:22.100]in Africans what people write in south
[00:29:24.290]africa and a friend of mine from South
[00:29:26.660]Africa was an activist against apartheid
[00:29:28.610]help me to translate the words the worst
[00:29:31.700]is i want to wake up now
[00:29:33.890]this painting is called the governor's
[00:29:35.270]nightmare this is another version of the
[00:29:40.550]governor's nightmare and that's a closer
[00:29:44.870]so in this case you know it's
[00:29:48.410]cannibalism how it's some kind of a
[00:29:52.280]religious Act you because you think
[00:29:54.080]about it how the idea of eating Jesus in
[00:29:57.890]the host the host in the wine as his
[00:30:00.830]blood
[00:30:01.910]it's another kind of cannibalistic
[00:30:03.830]religious idea but very spiritual tool
[00:30:07.400]so he wanted to play with that
[00:30:10.790]interaction but hopefully with a little
[00:30:14.450]sense of humor anyway so that's where my
[00:30:19.220]classes basically come from these are
[00:30:22.700]booked in the collection of the Museum
[00:30:24.500]of Modern Art in New York the adventures
[00:30:27.350]of the enlightened cannibal and this I
[00:30:31.100]use the pages of l and so you have ETA
[00:30:38.480]pages that we pretty controversial in
[00:30:41.330]fact i'm going to go to a controversy
[00:30:42.800]have with pages are not different than
[00:30:46.190]this
[00:30:46.850]are these are icons that I mix and is
[00:30:50.810]not the religious these know Jesus
[00:30:53.000]hereby
[00:30:53.710]way this is a collage and this is the
[00:30:57.010]way I express the corruption of
[00:30:58.840]spiritual values if anything that's
[00:31:01.120]something I talk a little more later so
[00:31:05.409]I'm going to move on from my kahless's
[00:31:08.860]into the reverse modern East because i
[00:31:13.960]have so many colors i could really spend
[00:31:15.730]the rest of the afternoon evening here
[00:31:19.059]and so on so i decided to do the idea of
[00:31:27.760]reverse anthropology sort of like an
[00:31:30.490]idea as I say I'll see the Aztecs had
[00:31:33.250]conquered Europe you know when this
[00:31:36.100]pioneers conquered Mexico they build of
[00:31:38.350]churches on top of pyramids and I just
[00:31:41.620]you could see one of them in the state
[00:31:43.809]of place a giant pyramid and right on
[00:31:45.940]top is a church so so I decided I i run
[00:31:51.159]into a book that was being destroyed by
[00:31:52.870]mall in the flea market in Mexico and
[00:31:56.350]some pages were still good anything
[00:31:58.450]original THX original engravings use
[00:32:01.450]training biographies of parties so this
[00:32:04.330]is a biography of Rembrandt lady with
[00:32:06.820]fun and I'm sorry had to have better
[00:32:08.470]slice of this and this artwork is gone
[00:32:11.980]long time ago I don't have it but i did
[00:32:15.190]a whole series of paintings over this
[00:32:17.080]19th century prints and this was the
[00:32:20.559]beginning of my reverse anthropology and
[00:32:24.970]serious he used making things like in my
[00:32:31.779]courses in a way but use taking the idea
[00:32:36.279]then then if the astex took over the
[00:32:38.710]libraries of Spain or euro while the you
[00:32:42.880]know they will not better then maybe but
[00:32:45.640]what if they decided to make drawings on
[00:32:47.470]top of them or paintings on top of them
[00:32:49.600]and
[00:32:51.250]I began to play wii with that idea but
[00:32:55.600]of course it's not just an illustration
[00:32:57.220]of that concept goes beyond that there's
[00:33:00.160]a lot of fun conscience elements in the
[00:33:04.930]work so it's not necessarily literary a
[00:33:08.890]against European are but in a way I
[00:33:12.550]really love the work behind i just want
[00:33:14.830]to make clear that it's something that I
[00:33:17.800]enjoy mixing imagery that i like but
[00:33:21.520]that together become like a different
[00:33:25.090]meaning than the original like this one
[00:33:29.980]is wrong idea to my game and gave to my
[00:33:32.800]wife for her wedding so is the artist
[00:33:36.850]and his bright in any case at the end
[00:33:46.210]these paintings probably what we resumed
[00:33:49.540]the in the best way my idea of reverse
[00:33:52.000]anthropology this is the goddess quickly
[00:33:55.000]quick the goddess of everything we asked
[00:33:57.220]the goddess and anyone that's finally
[00:34:00.400]discovered these they say this is a
[00:34:01.960]monster
[00:34:03.520]they buried it and it wasn't uncovered
[00:34:05.410]until the early nineteen hundreds
[00:34:07.690]stealing one single piece a gigantic
[00:34:09.610]sculpture and it's in the Museum of
[00:34:13.629]Anthropology mexico city if you would go
[00:34:15.429]there and what it is is a
[00:34:17.590]three-dimensional writing system and
[00:34:20.199]quite liquid was the mother of the main
[00:34:24.370]God which reposed which is the Sun and
[00:34:28.480]she was a mother of the moon the Sun in
[00:34:31.899]the morn where his children and she is
[00:34:36.219]decapitated the way you know that she's
[00:34:39.730]the capitate is because these two snakes
[00:34:41.770]coming out of her neck
[00:34:43.239]this next represented blood but also
[00:34:45.820]represented life so when the life is
[00:34:50.139]full
[00:34:50.620]is this our concept of contradiction
[00:34:54.969]like a gang and yang enthusiastic
[00:34:57.520]mythology so so she was the goddess of
[00:35:01.240]life and death as well so that's why
[00:35:04.420]there is also besides this next
[00:35:06.550]represent life
[00:35:07.720]these symbols of death all around how
[00:35:10.930]did the skull and the cards from
[00:35:13.660]sacrifice victims and this is a german
[00:35:16.960]girl just worshipping her in in my
[00:35:20.440]science fiction book after the elastics
[00:35:22.900]concrete germany i guess that's a prey
[00:35:26.170]in into with so so i began to do
[00:35:31.150]versions of kahless's in different ways
[00:35:37.600]II and I did it with the same same idea
[00:35:46.000]this went huh I did it because I have to
[00:35:51.070]probably show you something here a
[00:35:53.170]little bit yeah i was living in France
[00:35:58.900]the second time and I have to write up
[00:36:02.170]an essay about the destruction of
[00:36:04.540]pre-columbian art books and I went to
[00:36:08.440]the bibliothĂ¨que Nationale to look for
[00:36:13.660]the Mayan book we have their the code
[00:36:15.820]experiences in the military national and
[00:36:19.180]I brought letters to them and I told him
[00:36:22.000]I wanted to see it and they told me they
[00:36:26.290]couldn't show me the book and it's my
[00:36:28.120]and it because it makes you can stall
[00:36:32.020]pre-columbian minus groups from our
[00:36:33.880]library is a couple of years ago and
[00:36:37.270]they searched me it was not me i don't
[00:36:40.540]have them I wish and how that guy
[00:36:44.170]actually the mexican guy got arrested in
[00:36:46.030]Mexico and
[00:36:47.200]and what he's totally will take
[00:36:49.390]nationale became part of the mission 13
[00:36:51.790]apology in Mexico so it's public domain
[00:36:55.570]now so but anyway when I told him you
[00:36:59.079]know I didn't do it
[00:37:00.460]search me taking laughs but they will do
[00:37:03.760]is I mean positions could be very
[00:37:06.460]bureaucratic and I mean I'm generalizing
[00:37:08.470]I met some nice position to buy had
[00:37:11.530]places that people technology and I'll
[00:37:13.329]you have to deal with it he'll be aware
[00:37:15.760]and so I told him you excite write a lot
[00:37:19.180]of history about the pre-colonial books
[00:37:20.920]I told him you know these books were its
[00:37:22.869]model illegally out of Mexico in you
[00:37:26.109]know in the i think was the early
[00:37:28.540]eighteen hundreds went well its model
[00:37:32.109]through from a collection in Mexico into
[00:37:34.839]a collection in Europe and then there it
[00:37:36.940]was action illegally and end up somehow
[00:37:39.490]and the technician out
[00:37:41.140]I don't this book should be returned to
[00:37:42.849]Mexico so people like myself could see
[00:37:45.820]them and of course the of course I
[00:37:48.339]didn't like that either so I never ever
[00:37:52.390]so mi amour in person I've seen
[00:37:55.480]reproductions of it and but I snap
[00:37:58.990]that's when I is not that friends and I
[00:38:01.690]decide to do something we reverse
[00:38:04.119]modernism now or diverse anthropology so
[00:38:07.180]i began to do these books this is the
[00:38:09.880]adventures of the modernist animals
[00:38:11.890]which is a similar title and the
[00:38:13.599]painting upstairs with stakes this guy
[00:38:16.780]here so like a French anthropologist
[00:38:20.140]maybe speaking Mayan and the stereotype
[00:38:24.339]that I found in France I put reverse
[00:38:28.359]what is it
[00:38:31.930]Oh reverse science here and after a
[00:38:37.000]filipino artist Westing g Bernie few
[00:38:39.310]years before I stay in Germany leave
[00:38:42.040]like few years before and I loved every
[00:38:44.680]I have no complaints about jewelry i
[00:38:46.720]have complained about the bibliothĂ¨que
[00:38:48.040]Nationale the journey was fantastic so I
[00:38:51.550]thought parties was going to
[00:38:52.760]as nice as you journey but a friend of
[00:38:54.200]mine was Milo campos a filipino painter
[00:38:56.690]was staying there and I portray him
[00:39:00.140]there too and I went to visit him when
[00:39:02.300]he was there but I get images from the
[00:39:04.910]bibliothĂ¨que Nationale without their
[00:39:06.590]permission by the skirted I did the
[00:39:09.950]distiller bringing this is fantastic
[00:39:12.350]artist painting a version of healthworks
[00:39:15.140]Kelly how these are Mayan Miami
[00:39:19.790]sculptures invading some Renaissance
[00:39:23.450]building in Europe Mexican comics here I
[00:39:28.730]believe that with the Mexican comic art
[00:39:30.680]they're so like a gorilla characters
[00:39:34.580]having fun with Superman and this is
[00:39:38.000]another book in the middle of technical
[00:39:39.710]analysis i used to be their favorite
[00:39:42.470]drinking parties they are really proud
[00:39:45.830]of his Orangina so i changed that
[00:39:48.770]billboard for ordinary was you know I
[00:39:51.740]guess I don't need to translate that
[00:39:52.940]this is a Mexican astron out shooting
[00:39:56.450]killer bees to the French Resistance
[00:39:59.840]here and the complex young group eel
[00:40:03.500]which is they put that time in every
[00:40:06.050]page of pre-columbian minor scrapes in
[00:40:08.810]the litec national and so that's the
[00:40:13.490]story why I began to do this kind of
[00:40:16.160]different body before i went to france i
[00:40:20.420]wasn't dealing more with us Mexican
[00:40:22.670]borders and France changed my
[00:40:25.010]perspective it was more now little
[00:40:26.810]planet this if is the same thing so I so
[00:40:31.460]I stay with a French and now and then
[00:40:37.550]when i get back to begin to do my
[00:40:39.710]version after jeepers knee injury we
[00:40:42.170]have the keys of the gardens it was
[00:40:43.940]great to go there at any time and I just
[00:40:47.030]loved it I'd like a lovely garden I died
[00:40:50.090]a lot more name he so are we going to do
[00:40:54.230]my versions of that i began to
[00:40:55.670]illuminate
[00:40:57.790]you know Mexican canoes floating in the
[00:41:00.490]gardens
[00:41:01.510]indeed when these there was the US
[00:41:03.910]Mexican War where the the Emperor that
[00:41:07.450]was pushed by Napoleon the third in
[00:41:09.280]Mexico Maximilian was shot by you need
[00:41:12.790]to what is so so i made the painting of
[00:41:15.910]the shooting of Maximilian in the middle
[00:41:18.130]and so I'm just going to go to somar
[00:41:21.790]close-ups of that and that's the
[00:41:25.720]close-up of Maximilian then i made this
[00:41:31.570]other version of that and that's when
[00:41:35.140]this became more opinion that was
[00:41:37.360]training from reverse anthropology into
[00:41:40.630]reverse modernism because i began to put
[00:41:43.330]them on three and they're the most of
[00:41:46.600]the images are not mine but by other
[00:41:49.300]artists are you put them together some
[00:41:51.220]kind of like a painting collage the
[00:41:54.880]cannibal lady on the world it's the only
[00:41:59.290]thing i do i replace the arm for self
[00:42:01.420]portrait of because so but how that kind
[00:42:05.500]of a lady with a baby is originally
[00:42:07.930]portrayed by theodore debris in Belgium
[00:42:10.120]artists who the illustrations of
[00:42:12.640]cultures of the Americas he and he
[00:42:17.050]portray this kinda Winky portrayed
[00:42:20.380]indigenous people of breath seal and a
[00:42:24.730]lot of he said illustrations are based
[00:42:28.390]on never teased by other people to the
[00:42:30.940]point of even illustrated many ads in
[00:42:34.180]Brazil has such great quite fantastic
[00:42:37.810]the the portrait of Monet is based on a
[00:42:43.810]painting by gustav world because you
[00:42:49.450]stopped were all has a painting of Saint
[00:42:51.640]Saint Peter in a very similar fashion
[00:42:56.090]in in his museum and I stakes is running
[00:43:02.060]away from it that really scare from from
[00:43:04.970]the whole experience in the bag is an
[00:43:08.060]image from my colleagues on a Mexican
[00:43:09.800]canoe and he said a capitated figure
[00:43:12.740]with 2 nice on the neck and is very
[00:43:15.260]intense when you really understand
[00:43:16.970]what's happening there but altogether to
[00:43:21.260]me this is like the coalition between
[00:43:22.970]the stereotypes the stereotype of
[00:43:26.750]libraries of maybe and the stereotype of
[00:43:30.680]civilization as well so it in a way I
[00:43:35.840]worked so like a gang and yang in a lot
[00:43:38.540]of my works and i hope this makes these
[00:43:42.320]painting a little more sensical when you
[00:43:44.660]see it next time anyone's going to keep
[00:43:47.660]moving i did another version of that one
[00:43:50.510]a little smaller the times good pals
[00:43:52.970]five or slowly and i made this into a
[00:43:56.990]digital print with painting over and
[00:43:59.750]made only 10 copies of these I move on
[00:44:06.080]with more this is anthropologist with
[00:44:09.230]notes and you know i made this cans
[00:44:14.210]after and the wormhole they are kind of
[00:44:18.650]recipe in the back here I just going to
[00:44:20.270]read for you and apologies with notes on
[00:44:22.040]your favorite sandwich a quick and
[00:44:23.570]simple meal that's fun to eat a
[00:44:25.610]delicious bowl of America's favorite
[00:44:27.380]anthropology with no soup with lots of
[00:44:29.450]yummy noodles to your favorite sandwich
[00:44:30.980]eating anthropologist is so much fun
[00:44:33.440]you're sure to smile see the whole whole
[00:44:38.090]set of their world we including artists
[00:44:41.930]we are no exception artists brains with
[00:44:44.420]rice queen of dealer art history and
[00:44:47.420]athlete fundraisers that double museum
[00:44:49.520]director stripe sorry models meet
[00:44:52.310]anthropology with no collectors broad
[00:44:54.320]creators liver and critics tone it's my
[00:44:57.020]favorite
[00:44:58.050]then we did one on the economy too and I
[00:45:07.830]guess is readable
[00:45:09.210]so you're telling me to read all the
[00:45:10.380]labels and this is again the the
[00:45:14.430]cannibals from Taylor debris the scalp
[00:45:17.010]Europeans portray other cultures and
[00:45:20.460]then in the background is a French
[00:45:22.350]painting by him over my name the launch
[00:45:28.770]on the grass and trees a contest between
[00:45:30.990]Europeans represent themselves and how
[00:45:33.150]they represent about variance and if
[00:45:36.210]again this is very much behind my idea
[00:45:39.780]of reverse modernism these are painting
[00:45:44.160]in a museum in he in Paris to my
[00:45:49.830]painting by gustav cool base and thank
[00:45:59.460]you
[00:45:59.790]it's a good step group a painting and if
[00:46:03.990]it's called the origin of the world so I
[00:46:07.710]decided to paint the origin of the world
[00:46:09.360]in the ass technology which is in color
[00:46:11.370]have every color the blue the quiet rail
[00:46:15.000]and the black represent different
[00:46:17.280]directions of the universe and its again
[00:46:24.000]another contrasting element in this one
[00:46:27.420]is called sublime operation and it's all
[00:46:31.380]these a little Cyclops running away
[00:46:36.990]because they so hard cause we to ice and
[00:46:41.100]they are afraid of it i don't if you
[00:46:43.650]could see it twice oh yeah this just
[00:46:45.960]painted over with white now this is the
[00:46:51.810]famous infamous book i did the creative
[00:46:55.020]big trouble for me and it's called the
[00:46:59.790]misadventures of the Romantic cannibals
[00:47:02.010]and this is a book ID to make a satire
[00:47:07.560]or
[00:47:08.250]of the institution of the Catholic
[00:47:10.740]Church for you know not dealing with the
[00:47:13.770]pedophilia scandal i read this candle in
[00:47:17.760]two dozen two-way thing when the most
[00:47:20.250]glove publish all of these information
[00:47:24.240]about dozens of kids were molested in
[00:47:27.480]boston and then around the world and see
[00:47:31.170]then I had the idea of doing something
[00:47:33.510]about the pedophilia so i decided to
[00:47:35.700]something which in my mind was with some
[00:47:39.420]sense of humor
[00:47:41.010]yeah I a1l sir to contrast that with a
[00:47:46.170]fact that the church very militant again
[00:47:48.810]same-sex myrish and then and birth
[00:47:52.890]control as well and maybe a critical
[00:47:57.000]that they they fell mortally offended by
[00:48:00.120]that and then do nothing about the
[00:48:02.520]pedophilia in the other hand also the
[00:48:05.940]fiber is no women priests haven't been a
[00:48:09.210]woman being a pope I you know I think
[00:48:11.700]they ever do that will become the most
[00:48:14.100]popular religion and in any case i made
[00:48:18.540]these just to to play on the idea and so
[00:48:24.300]going to go to the pages of it and this
[00:48:28.830]is some of the imagery and when I have
[00:48:30.660]shown this book in many places i showed
[00:48:32.550]in San Francisco many times it was
[00:48:35.220]invisible there because percentage but
[00:48:37.080]this is normal that's that
[00:48:38.520]yeah that's fine yeah we know that but I
[00:48:42.570]should at some point in Colorado at the
[00:48:44.880]lovely museum of art in carrel and it
[00:48:48.270]was context of elections in 2010
[00:48:50.790]somebody from the tea party decided that
[00:48:53.820]they didn't like this work and they got
[00:48:59.340]almost a heart attack with this page and
[00:49:03.750]the person from the tea party end up in
[00:49:07.080]fox news talking about these work and
[00:49:11.130]Fox News never contacted me to explain
[00:49:13.710]myself
[00:49:14.760]they never asked me you know why do you
[00:49:16.560]do this you really have a chance to tell
[00:49:18.780]them what i told you there was
[00:49:20.369]by the pedophilia is and also this is
[00:49:23.130]not Jesus again this is a collage and
[00:49:28.049]this is my way to represent the
[00:49:30.869]corruption of a beautiful idea because
[00:49:33.569]for me the original christianism is
[00:49:36.359]really beautiful and it's a an ideal for
[00:49:39.779]for justice among people and the idea of
[00:49:43.589]loving your enemy the idea of living
[00:49:45.450]your wealth behind something that
[00:49:48.180]probably anybody does today i wish but
[00:49:51.269]so is not about Jesus is about the
[00:49:54.329]church and the institutions that corrupt
[00:49:57.210]beautiful ideals and a I just if used my
[00:50:04.890]freedom of speech to to do this work
[00:50:07.890]so there was an instant buy a protest
[00:50:12.779]and of course after the Fox News Fox
[00:50:18.660]News portray my workers Stanford
[00:50:22.619]professor portrays Jesus as having oral
[00:50:26.190]sex and you know if you see it there's
[00:50:30.359]no nudity here there's no sex going on i
[00:50:32.970]mean it's very provocative but they
[00:50:34.529]don't even touching each other so II but
[00:50:40.349]again instantly I got tons of hate mail
[00:50:44.160]the protest that really no crime
[00:50:47.489]a lot of people you know began to to
[00:50:51.150]protest it was the news that we were
[00:50:53.489]thankfully some favorite ones like in
[00:50:55.499]art in america
[00:50:56.789]yeah but he after the fox news so my
[00:51:03.779]person
[00:51:05.420]of truck driver this woman from Montana
[00:51:08.690]drop her 18-wheeler all the way to
[00:51:10.880]colorado to get offended with my work
[00:51:13.880]said she got a crowbar destroy the
[00:51:16.819]Marquis the frame and destroy the book
[00:51:19.609]she got the tackle by another visitor to
[00:51:23.540]the gallery you got arrested which
[00:51:25.910]became an instant hero a hearing for the
[00:51:28.520]tea party baseball here you know your
[00:51:32.510]fees and everything to live for free but
[00:51:34.640]then a pastor wrote to me it just a
[00:51:39.470]little before this incident and here he
[00:51:42.049]told me you know my congregation wants
[00:51:44.059]me to join the picket line and I don't
[00:51:46.579]know what to tell them what what is it
[00:51:48.799]what what's behind your artwork and I
[00:51:51.440]explained to him well it's about the
[00:51:52.670]pedophilia you know the bokra see with
[00:51:55.099]homophobia and the birth control that
[00:51:58.880]the Catholic Church is but it's not
[00:52:00.650]Jesus they say it's just my way of
[00:52:02.900]putting visual sentences together and he
[00:52:07.730]would be back and say thank you for your
[00:52:09.890]thoughtful explanation if you ever come
[00:52:12.920]to loveland it would be an honor to meet
[00:52:14.660]you and I felt wow I'm ready immediately
[00:52:18.890]hey I told him I wish most Christians
[00:52:20.809]whereby you and we became instant
[00:52:23.510]friends some people from his
[00:52:25.700]congregation walk away and he got
[00:52:28.520]threats they put his house online the
[00:52:31.099]big people were inviting people to go on
[00:52:33.200]and vandalize his house so he's finally
[00:52:36.859]getting down here i got threats they
[00:52:39.049]have to talk to Stamford police he was
[00:52:41.359]you know really bad but about a month
[00:52:45.020]later they forget about us because the
[00:52:47.809]same organization that we could have a
[00:52:49.819]show putting on an exhibition in
[00:52:51.920]washington DC at the Smithsonian the
[00:52:54.920]exhibition was called hide-and-seek and
[00:52:57.799]it was exhibition of heart by gay and
[00:53:00.170]lesbian artist and there was a videotape
[00:53:02.329]by artist David when I robe exclude day
[00:53:05.210]from eight in the thing Lady silly
[00:53:07.549]nineties and other a crucifix we ants
[00:53:11.540]crawling on the crucifix and that was
[00:53:13.430]with
[00:53:13.990]offended a lot of people on the same
[00:53:16.780]organization the so call National
[00:53:20.320]Catholic belief boycotted the exhibition
[00:53:22.840]at the Smithsonian and they took it down
[00:53:27.640]immediately and the local museum in the
[00:53:31.900]Creator she was brave he never took the
[00:53:34.900]art and down he kept it and even after
[00:53:38.320]the destruction of these work but
[00:53:40.840]thankfully for Washington they forget
[00:53:43.630]about us
[00:53:44.980]suddenly all the hate mail stop and then
[00:53:48.070]I got not male sony I got the people
[00:53:51.580]from the congregation from this pastor
[00:53:54.250]who agree with my work began to send me
[00:53:56.619]really nice beautiful letters and the
[00:54:00.970]pastor and I remain friends
[00:54:03.160]so after the whole thing went down the
[00:54:05.080]pastor's me
[00:54:06.250]hey would you do a painting of jesus for
[00:54:08.830]my church and I thought wow well I had
[00:54:15.190]to be honest you know I told him you
[00:54:18.490]know I'm not religious myself but if
[00:54:21.310]your congregation except the painting
[00:54:23.080]for me
[00:54:23.859]sure i will do it for free and so he
[00:54:26.710]went back to his congregation rather
[00:54:28.270]email and the congregation accepted with
[00:54:31.090]a standing ovation these really like the
[00:54:33.160]idea is you want to not maybe but but
[00:54:36.760]but you know nobody knows how Jesus look
[00:54:38.710]like how would i know if she look like
[00:54:41.440]I don't think picture i sent him
[00:54:42.970]pictures of Jesus from different
[00:54:46.000]cultures it's all of these Jesus have
[00:54:48.670]the korean won the Russian the haitian
[00:54:51.369]native american and Gary and mexican
[00:54:54.850]filipino female Russian Swedish african
[00:54:58.930]american chinese mexican indian and
[00:55:01.869]japanese West African and the European
[00:55:05.050]American there
[00:55:05.980]more like order so i told me another
[00:55:09.340]first representations reviews were like
[00:55:11.170]200 years after he's dead and they were
[00:55:13.510]little drawings of our over shepherd he
[00:55:17.200]with cheap in in a cave that that's you
[00:55:21.310]know the earlier images the rest is
[00:55:24.010]construction so if you don't mind I'll
[00:55:26.320]do my own version me up off the record
[00:55:28.869]so i did so i look for other this is our
[00:55:32.619]apparition Jesus but anyway so this is
[00:55:38.800]my version of it so I I looking to
[00:55:41.230]paintings from the Netherlands and
[00:55:44.710]mexican baroque paintings and I blend
[00:55:47.080]them and then I put the word love on the
[00:55:50.320]binder because i wanted to remind people
[00:55:51.760]that Jesus was about love not hate and
[00:55:55.270]but I was not sure they would like it
[00:55:58.119]he mentioned with me back and say we
[00:56:00.400]love the fact the banner is great
[00:56:02.140]because there's a have quote from the
[00:56:04.390]Bible that says that Jesus run the
[00:56:06.970]banner of our humanity and I thought wow
[00:56:09.369]that's amazingly this girl he was
[00:56:11.680]guiding my hand but anyway so it ended
[00:56:16.480]up really nice of her until after these
[00:56:19.869]i send the work they pay for the
[00:56:21.369]shipping the painting is big so 80
[00:56:23.830]inches high x 60 inches wide and when i
[00:56:28.869]send it like that was the end of the
[00:56:30.670]story but then they invited me to go for
[00:56:32.830]a reception and then I got really scared
[00:56:36.220]I thought in Colorado the killed people
[00:56:39.790]for less than where we did you know I
[00:56:42.940]was just getting some people in a like
[00:56:44.619]you go to see about my movie and you
[00:56:46.750]could be in the middle of my secure
[00:56:48.190]their you know like what happened in the
[00:56:49.630]middle of a badman movie not too long
[00:56:51.190]ago so I felt they're going to shoot the
[00:56:54.340]pasture they're gonna shoot me
[00:56:56.020]it's really scary but I end up going by
[00:56:59.530]myself really want to bring my wife or
[00:57:01.900]the publisher of the print you want to
[00:57:04.480]risk anybody and I decided to take
[00:57:06.550]responsibility for my heart
[00:57:10.690]paints and it was the most beautiful
[00:57:13.270]experience I had nobody tried to convert
[00:57:16.270]me into Christianity within talk about
[00:57:18.250]God or Jesus not i just meant the
[00:57:22.240]families of the pastors and the children
[00:57:24.730]and they were super nice to me
[00:57:26.859]they put bodyguards with me I feel like
[00:57:29.079]a rockstar there the congregation had
[00:57:32.290]like you know like a thousand people in
[00:57:34.510]the big auditorium and I thank them for
[00:57:37.450]their openness and you know it was
[00:57:39.609]really nice conversation with working
[00:57:41.650]within documented immigrants later and
[00:57:44.589]the day of course I'll against the
[00:57:47.140]people feel as well didn't go as far as
[00:57:49.390]same-sex marriage but you know
[00:57:51.040]eventually maybe they will I don't know
[00:57:53.410]but it was a beautiful dialogue it it
[00:57:57.369]really was an amazing i was never
[00:57:59.650]expecting that from my artwork I got out
[00:58:02.109]of my redbubble and the pastor got out
[00:58:04.630]of his religious bubble and we meet in
[00:58:07.540]the middle
[00:58:08.230]it was quite a great experience so
[00:58:10.930]anyway from my mom was done we might
[00:58:14.800]talk so if the idea of interacting with
[00:58:20.920]modernist art its base home it slightly
[00:58:25.300]different than reverse anthropology this
[00:58:27.730]is the idea of you know based on the
[00:58:30.040]modernist art is some of them where up
[00:58:31.869]repeating art from former colonies from
[00:58:36.880]hard from former colleagues like because
[00:58:38.859]of repeating African masks to develop
[00:58:41.410]some of his cubist style or Henry more
[00:58:45.190]appealing as thick as culture to develop
[00:58:47.230]his see the figures and so on so I said
[00:58:51.099]what would happen if the reverse took
[00:58:52.780]place now this is not like the Aztecs
[00:58:55.240]conquering Europe this is more like the
[00:58:56.829]primitive artis preparing European are
[00:59:00.310]and from a primitive quite primitive
[00:59:03.910]perspective so i did an exhibition is
[00:59:07.359]called the mindful savage guide to
[00:59:12.130]reverse modernism early this year in San
[00:59:15.700]Francisco
[00:59:16.480]this is
[00:59:17.770]big shot of my my show and you're going
[00:59:22.510]to see some of the the paintings in
[00:59:25.570]detail and this is jesus anyway
[00:59:27.970]discipline me it as i mentioned to some
[00:59:32.560]friends here practice meditation so i'm
[00:59:35.710]i'm moving away from all the violent
[00:59:37.750]paintings and wrong and just don't want
[00:59:40.240]to argue with people or try to find more
[00:59:43.060]like a little peaceful way to represent
[00:59:46.090]something now here I uses stereotypes of
[00:59:49.030]different cultures with my own self just
[00:59:52.390]to show that behind every stereotype is
[00:59:55.390]a human being relations so is not
[00:59:58.750]egocentrism but rather just to show that
[01:00:01.780]is just a person there
[01:00:03.640]yeah i got these images from a 1959 boat
[01:00:07.210]from Cuba that had a lot of very
[01:00:09.760]stereotypical renderings of different
[01:00:11.710]cultures from around the world including
[01:00:15.340]Mexicans course so have done different
[01:00:19.150]versions of the same is working metal of
[01:00:22.960]the same imagery is another painting and
[01:00:26.170]one-of-a-kind on a vintage paper that I
[01:00:30.370]found in the dumpsters and then ID
[01:00:33.040]acidify the paper and paint it over this
[01:00:35.620]again with different cultural icons and
[01:00:39.700]it's my latest version of that that's in
[01:00:42.280]the print ferry in New York with the
[01:00:45.040]buttshark in Colorado Italian sense
[01:00:47.830]frontiers basically the same same idea
[01:00:51.340]with stereotypes from different places
[01:00:53.650]and you know maybe some of the last
[01:00:58.360]pictures are going to show you this this
[01:01:02.560]is called the the diver typical candles
[01:01:11.470]in Spanish those can you list the
[01:01:14.170]gravity because we stereotypes of people
[01:01:19.270]that I found in France here is West
[01:01:21.610]because oh and his wife and a friend
[01:01:23.620]with African maximum there
[01:01:26.210]because we again here is that house by
[01:01:29.330]Frank Lloyd Wright based on my
[01:01:31.280]architecture so i put Mexican
[01:01:33.859]freaky-looking monuments on top of Frank
[01:01:36.619]Lloyd Wright's house
[01:01:38.240]this is just boys as a native american
[01:01:41.420]and this is the architect himself Frank
[01:01:46.400]Lloyd Wright a designing one of the
[01:01:49.339]mexican monuments he never did that
[01:01:52.010]so this only company in my book because
[01:01:54.950]so as an African sculpture to provide
[01:01:57.830]plastic mask designed by if some Lauria
[01:02:02.690]i actually did a version of this print
[01:02:05.930]by itself
[01:02:07.070]this is a sculpture by can be more with
[01:02:10.670]a master cared
[01:02:11.869]this is the hair that used to be here so
[01:02:14.510]so we traded the soon released with
[01:02:17.900]people who admire the primitive this
[01:02:20.030]really say the primitive I'd like the
[01:02:21.470]childhood of humanity so i put in the
[01:02:24.230]river return here and with a couple of a
[01:02:28.550]revolutionary wars hear that from the
[01:02:31.880]mexican revolution they found in some
[01:02:33.560]photographs and this is a jack not well
[01:02:41.089]if it's a French pointer mean period not
[01:02:48.770]forget his name later anyway so this is
[01:02:52.580]the whole the whole book a photograph by
[01:02:55.609]ever curtains will be a lot of Native
[01:02:57.500]American pictures that again another
[01:02:59.089]version of him there
[01:03:00.500]this really is filmmaker doing well
[01:03:03.200]which well and he hit this is he roasts
[01:03:10.430]Celebi by myself shop it's my soldiers
[01:03:13.760]campus a giant mexican revolutionary and
[01:03:17.359]these are they the diversions of the
[01:03:22.490]Curtis originally his photographs where
[01:03:25.190]etchings so we donating this photo
[01:03:28.580]engraving with an advertising for the
[01:03:31.670]ipad in the background and on the bottom
[01:03:34.130]of this another photograph after
[01:03:36.280]whatever song this little guy jumping on
[01:03:38.890]the water and this is the same version
[01:03:42.250]Jack Cocteau with the the poet and
[01:03:49.360]person's body that i put here with my
[01:03:51.580]health and then a Mexican wrestler in
[01:03:54.910]the back
[01:03:55.750]somebody from popular Genia and New
[01:03:59.170]Guinea and the African masks in the
[01:04:04.300]other way I I like mondrian alot because
[01:04:08.740]he didn't make money with his paintings
[01:04:12.280]the dresses here that were designed by
[01:04:14.770]Yves on Iran were sold around three
[01:04:17.140]thousand dollars this in the nineteen
[01:04:18.880]sixties and that was as much as one
[01:04:22.180]painting that he that money and never
[01:04:24.010]solved in his lifetime so I don't know
[01:04:27.610]if he's foundation ever get money from
[01:04:30.430]that but I began to do my own versions
[01:04:34.480]of that this is the the opposite of
[01:04:37.870]meditation meditation is you have to be
[01:04:39.940]here now pay attention to the present
[01:04:42.640]this one is the opposite but somewhere
[01:04:45.040]yesterday and I into putting my keys in
[01:04:53.860]my painting this is blue and centers
[01:04:56.770]Lulu is my my boss she is my manager
[01:05:02.140]answers my email and they're going to
[01:05:07.480]end up we care i think my show you some
[01:05:11.980]work but it's only a few seconds in a
[01:05:15.820]minute
[01:05:17.519]she's quick
[01:05:44.789]she's God go with you
[01:05:54.719]check HERE your score by position played
[01:06:03.029]any way she want anyways when that one
[01:06:12.779]of my god I i put him in a painting
[01:06:14.519]after James answer diego and is this
[01:06:21.239]called double start torture me and in
[01:06:25.019]the background I pre bill o'reilly from
[01:06:27.119]Fox News ludos also a conservative right
[01:06:30.630]in the middle of rush limo and ankles
[01:06:34.289]here in the far right and these people
[01:06:37.799]are changing the head of an indigenous
[01:06:39.239]person for European head so but again I
[01:06:43.799]love Game sensors I wanted to do my own
[01:06:46.319]version of that just making my own
[01:06:48.269]statement and is where my latest
[01:06:51.599]paintings of the journey and this about
[01:06:55.409]the art market and the the house the the
[01:07:01.019]auction houses but anyway so I think I
[01:07:05.099]pretty much explain all of these work he
[01:07:08.609]the versions of my kahless's here and
[01:07:12.299]this is very much the end of my mic
[01:07:18.779]lecture with you probably recognize
[01:07:20.279]everybody here from Milan or two about
[01:07:22.649]mine in the bangle these are like about
[01:07:27.389]borders and walls this is a wall where
[01:07:29.910]you know people from non-european
[01:07:33.329]background sitting reading the
[01:07:34.650]background and all the European migrants
[01:07:36.599]are like on the front through the day
[01:07:40.890]and night and this is a you know how I
[01:07:52.289]finish my paintings the the square is is
[01:07:56.400]it's a il-4 skelly we just boys on the
[01:08:04.289]bottom here
[01:08:05.339]Cubans crossing the ocean the end up
[01:08:12.030]putting in my me painting and I don't
[01:08:17.370]want to overwhelm you with your work so
[01:08:19.170]i pretty much finished my work here is a
[01:08:21.120]tribute to the adventurous undocumented
[01:08:24.330]immigrants that come from all the way
[01:08:26.640]from cure making all those works thank
[01:08:31.560]you very much for taking so many my work
[01:08:35.370]and now he seems to have time for
[01:08:38.310]questions may be back
[01:08:41.910]I be glad to answer a couple of
[01:08:43.290]questions if you have any yes it's the
[01:08:51.540]broken and is still broken i'm pretty
[01:08:54.600]much an addition of about twenty four
[01:08:56.549]books not 30 books show the still many
[01:09:00.060]copies remaining thankfully so it's a
[01:09:02.310]multiple there's a beautifully making
[01:09:04.439]yeah and i hope i didn't explain myself
[01:09:11.580]yeah and this one by Darius well I guess
[01:09:17.009]if it's one thing will be the idea of
[01:09:18.750]making things that look like something
[01:09:21.179]else and that came from visiting my
[01:09:24.988]father's office when you know I saw the
[01:09:29.040]forgeries that were happening there and
[01:09:31.560]I mean he
[01:09:36.210]and working the rest of a French forger
[01:09:39.359]san pietro has an Italian nickname and
[01:09:44.279]he visited my father visit him in prison
[01:09:46.560]and he has him why he did what he did
[01:09:50.520]because the french artist went to the
[01:09:53.219]best art schools in France came from
[01:09:55.800]wealthy families and you know what i
[01:10:00.330]wanted to understand what he did and the
[01:10:02.160]French parties or community say well i
[01:10:06.239]did for the trails had in that story
[01:10:11.310]stay in my mind and I decided what I
[01:10:14.070]want to do things that for the trails
[01:10:16.800]because I feel good
[01:10:18.900]something looks like something else but
[01:10:20.940]I don't want to be in jail
[01:10:22.469]that's how so you have the free use of
[01:10:27.150]copyrighted material at the most of the
[01:10:29.790]workers use that no longer copyrighted
[01:10:31.620]especially you know any art that is
[01:10:33.750]beyond 50 years old like moneris Orpik
[01:10:37.680]asses go yes all of that you could use
[01:10:40.020]it but you still want to sign their
[01:10:42.270]names because that would be a forgery
[01:10:44.340]so even if you make a copy you have to
[01:10:46.920]sign your own name so but the other fair
[01:10:51.090]use of copyrighted material besides time
[01:10:53.820]is that you to change the meaning of the
[01:10:56.489]work so it becomes a different idea
[01:11:00.660]so when you do that in a collage how
[01:11:03.719]like in my case mickey mouse is not
[01:11:05.370]making much anymore it's more like a
[01:11:07.020]symbol of cultural colonialism and
[01:11:09.239]that's it and i have been invited by the
[01:11:12.000]DC museum to show works of mine with
[01:11:15.150]Disney imagery and I remember the first
[01:11:17.430]time they call me I thought it was the
[01:11:19.260]lawyers all right
[01:11:21.390]no they don't have any problem with that
[01:11:24.210]you know as long as you're doing
[01:11:25.320]forgeries and you're doing
[01:11:26.969]canard you know that you're not
[01:11:29.430]profiting from that you are ok if you're
[01:11:33.060]using it as a critical in a critical
[01:11:34.980]statement or changing the meaning of the
[01:11:37.739]original work so that's basically what
[01:11:41.610]influenced a lot of my CSI I keep
[01:11:43.710]evolving into University apology
[01:11:47.180]reverse modernist somebody still has a
[01:11:49.910]line of connection with a very idea so I
[01:11:52.250]guess that's the answer and if you get
[01:11:56.390]just one that's question just be quick
[01:11:58.670]yep yeah i mean my provisions are in a
[01:12:03.230]way i can put more culturally based then
[01:12:09.650]just regular application a lot of
[01:12:11.120]contemporary artists a puppy for
[01:12:13.820]different reasons
[01:12:14.930]what I was maybe critiquing with little
[01:12:18.380]be the history of Western art because a
[01:12:20.930]lot of these artists who I admire you
[01:12:23.270]see you know like Picasso or any more
[01:12:25.910]friendly right or the Soviet least how
[01:12:29.270]it nevertheless they came from a
[01:12:31.400]position of power and they appropriated
[01:12:33.770]cultural imagery artifacts from former
[01:12:38.540]colonies that were not in a position of
[01:12:40.700]power so my personal applications have a
[01:12:44.810]connotation of power they the imbalance
[01:12:47.810]of power among people and the only thing
[01:12:51.380]I one with my application is to put a
[01:12:53.210]mirror in front of us is to say that we
[01:12:56.630]are all the same species we we are all
[01:13:00.590]how victims and victimizers of ourselves
[01:13:07.460]and that's it something that I don't
[01:13:12.830]understand why why cannot be the best
[01:13:15.380]friends that we could be instead of four
[01:13:17.930]worst enemies which we happen to be more
[01:13:21.560]often than not but i believe that we
[01:13:24.560]could be your best friends to us species
[01:13:26.840]eventually and it's a matter of evolving
[01:13:30.530]history comfortably we will cat get out
[01:13:33.890]of the prehistory of humankind into a
[01:13:36.200]real humanistic experience we might have
[01:13:40.460]to go through something really bad to
[01:13:42.740]together but I do my world we we hope
[01:13:47.390]know what cynicism but it's the only
[01:13:51.050]thing that keeps me going that and my
[01:13:53.750]appropriations in that sense might be
[01:13:56.000]very different
[01:13:56.870]and you stop repeating for a frivolous
[01:13:59.450]statement or just because you know
[01:14:01.490]something looks good next to each other
[01:14:03.230]but i gotta answer your question and I
[01:14:06.110]think we've run out of time I'm very
[01:14:07.700]sorry but I think I always tended my
[01:14:10.520]lecture to have so thank you for that

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