Bonus Episode: Fatherhood- It's the Highlight of Everything w. Troy Branch & Calvin DeVries
Nebraska Extension Early Childhood Program Area-Emily Manning, Dr. Holly Hatton, Ingrid Lindal, Erin Kampbell, Linda Reddish, Katie Krause, and LaDonna Werth
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This bonus episode features two Nebraska fathers: Troy Branch and Calvin DeVries. The conversation focuses on parenting experiences and their perception of modern fatherhood. Troy and Calvin emphasize the importance of being present for their children and communicating effectively with them. They also spoke about challenges like balancing work, family time, and kids' activities; and navigating age-appropriate technology use.
Research referenced in this episode:
https://www.apa.org/pi/families/resources/changing-father
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/15/key-facts-about-dads-in-the-us/
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/01/24/parenting-in-america-today/
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- [00:00:00.239](upbeat music)
- [00:00:08.160]This is The Good Life in Early Life,
- [00:00:10.920]a production of Nebraska Extension.
- [00:00:12.960]I'm your host, Emily Manning,
- [00:00:14.280]an early childhood extension educator in Seward County.
- [00:00:17.310]For today's episode,
- [00:00:18.470]we will spend time interviewing two fathers,
- [00:00:20.700]Troy Branch and Calvin DeVries,
- [00:00:22.320]to gain their insight into what it means
- [00:00:24.270]to be a modern father from their perspective.
- [00:00:27.330]Would each of you tell us
- [00:00:28.440]a little bit about yourselves or what you do for a living
- [00:00:30.960]and about your children?
- [00:00:32.460]Perfect. Yep.
- [00:00:33.293]Calvin DeVries.
- [00:00:34.126]I'm a 4-H extension educator for Phelps and Gosper counties
- [00:00:37.620]based in Holdrege,
- [00:00:38.640]and I am a relatively new parent, a father.
- [00:00:42.450]My son was born on Tax Day, April 15th, this year,
- [00:00:45.270]so it's amazing.
- [00:00:46.860]There's nothing that you can describe, use to describe.
- [00:00:50.521]It's an amazing experience, so very, very rewarding.
- [00:00:53.760]Great, and congratulations on new baby.
- [00:00:56.760]I'm so excited for you and your family.
- [00:00:58.920]Troy, how about you?
- [00:01:00.360]I'm Troy Branch.
- [00:01:01.260]I like to tell people I'm originally from the East Coast.
- [00:01:03.900]I grew up South Jersey outside of Philadelphia.
- [00:01:06.810]I ended up in Lincoln on a football scholarship.
- [00:01:09.810]I played football at the University of Nebraska.
- [00:01:11.460]I stayed and went to law school. Met a girl.
- [00:01:14.460]30-some-odd years later, I'm still here.
- [00:01:17.310]We have two children. Our son, he's 21.
- [00:01:21.390]He actually walked on at the university.
- [00:01:23.130]He's playing football at the university right now.
- [00:01:25.620]He'll be going into his senior year in school,
- [00:01:29.190]but he'll be a redshirt junior,
- [00:01:31.230]and then we have a daughter that is graduating.
- [00:01:34.590]Actually, as of this recording,
- [00:01:36.540]she'll be graduating in a couple days,
- [00:01:38.550]and she will be heading off to Kansas, KU.
- [00:01:42.780]Well, congratulations to you too, Troy.
- [00:01:44.670]Those are some really fantastic milestones
- [00:01:46.950]for your children.
- [00:01:48.780]I'm excited about it.
- [00:01:50.520]I'll tell Calvin and soak it up. It goes quick. (laughs)
- [00:01:55.470]Yep.
- [00:01:56.303]Everyone tells you that,
- [00:01:57.450]but man, you have no idea how fast it goes.
- [00:02:00.090]Even to this point,
- [00:02:00.930]it's hard to believe in a blink of an eye
- [00:02:03.060]when feels, like, we just came home with him,
- [00:02:04.920]but now it's a month and a half down the road.
- [00:02:07.440]Yep.
- [00:02:08.708]Next thing you know,
- [00:02:09.557]they're getting in the car and going to prom,
- [00:02:11.351]and just, it's crazy.
- [00:02:12.184]It's crazy how fast it goes.
- [00:02:14.040]Yes.
- [00:02:14.873]Sounds, like, a good experience, then,
- [00:02:16.110]if it's been flying by.
- [00:02:17.629]Yeah. Yeah, it's been good.
- [00:02:19.420]Good. Thank you both for being here today.
- [00:02:21.750]My first question for you that I ask all of my guests is,
- [00:02:25.470]what is a funny memory about you as a child
- [00:02:28.260]or maybe a favorite memory from your childhood?
- [00:02:31.710]Go ahead, Troy.
- [00:02:32.940]So my dad's name is Lonnie,
- [00:02:33.927]and my brother's name was Lonnie.
- [00:02:35.370]My brother was a junior,
- [00:02:36.510]and he was Big Lonnie and Little Lonnie,
- [00:02:37.950]and we were fishing, you know,
- [00:02:39.681]that was one of the things that we did
- [00:02:40.514]is we would go fishing,
- [00:02:41.347]and we sort of sort of split up,
- [00:02:43.260]and my dad, he had just scolded me about,
- [00:02:45.997]"Hey, you need to not be messing around the water.
- [00:02:48.810]Be careful" and so on and so forth,
- [00:02:50.280]and I'm messing around, messing around, and messing around,
- [00:02:52.470]and sure enough, I fall in, right?
- [00:02:53.940]I'm falling, and I managed to grab onto trees or whatever,
- [00:02:57.990]and I just remember calling out,
- [00:02:59.500]and I was calling out for Lonnie.
- [00:03:01.507]"Lonnie, I need help, Lonnie, Lonnie."
- [00:03:03.360]And then my dad answered,
- [00:03:05.905]and he was like,
- [00:03:07.326]so my dad answered,
- [00:03:08.580]and I was like, "Not Big Lonnie, little Lonnie"
- [00:03:11.130]'cause I knew I was gonna be in trouble,
- [00:03:12.420]so they both came running and pulled me out,
- [00:03:14.735]and it was like, "Look, at the end of the day,
- [00:03:16.140]you need help getting out,
- [00:03:17.070]it doesn't matter who gets here first,"
- [00:03:18.960]so yeah, I just remember that about my dad.
- [00:03:21.997]Yeah, that's a funny story,
- [00:03:24.300]especially that they have the same name,
- [00:03:25.920]and then you're like, "I don't want the big one.
- [00:03:27.930]I don't wanna get in trouble.
- [00:03:29.370]Gimme the little one." (laughs)
- [00:03:30.960]Yeah.
- [00:03:31.793]That's cool. Thanks for sharing, Troy.
- [00:03:33.780]Calvin, how about you?
- [00:03:34.740]How about me?
- [00:03:35.730]I don't know if I can maybe pinpoint one thing,
- [00:03:38.520]but if it could be a culmination of things,
- [00:03:41.495]it's maybe developed me into who I am today,
- [00:03:43.740]but just growing up in my family,
- [00:03:45.570]it's a really strong 4-H family and background,
- [00:03:48.420]and growing up, it was instilled us at a young age
- [00:03:51.270]to be pretty passionate in the livestock areas,
- [00:03:53.880]and I always remember kind of hearing my dad say this,
- [00:03:56.672]the projects kind of helped raise us to who we are.
- [00:04:00.120]We raised quite a bit of sheep growing up,
- [00:04:02.610]and that still happens today,
- [00:04:04.380]but I think just those learning experiences along the way
- [00:04:07.650]from the age of eight all the way up to 18,
- [00:04:10.890]and at my professional career
- [00:04:12.270]today as an extension educator,
- [00:04:13.740]just those passions
- [00:04:14.970]instilled with me by my parents in the 4-H program
- [00:04:17.880]was kind of amazing,
- [00:04:18.870]so I think that's a neat thing
- [00:04:21.270]that I always kind of key in on,
- [00:04:22.800]and hopefully, it's something I can continue to share
- [00:04:25.170]as Bennett continues to grow
- [00:04:26.790]and start to develop those memories in a few years,
- [00:04:29.160]so I think that would highlight a lot of me,
- [00:04:32.310]but if there is a funny story I could share,
- [00:04:35.520]I remember this pretty vividly.
- [00:04:38.520]Probably gave my mom a heart attack this day.
- [00:04:40.830]My family went to Island Oasis in Grand Island.
- [00:04:43.980]I mean, the whole way there,
- [00:04:45.180]I really wanted to go on the Lazy River.
- [00:04:46.950]I just had to go on the Lazy River,
- [00:04:49.230]but everybody needed to use the restroom
- [00:04:51.390]before we went that way,
- [00:04:52.830]and I just didn't wanna wait,
- [00:04:54.360]so I went off on my own all by myself onto the Lazy River,
- [00:04:58.800]and so my parents had no idea where I was.
- [00:05:02.250]The whole entire pool got cleared out,
- [00:05:04.500]and I was then found,
- [00:05:07.020]so the whole entire pool on a very busy summer day,
- [00:05:09.780]hundreds of people had to get cleared out of the pool
- [00:05:12.270]just to find me.
- [00:05:13.590]Oh my gosh. (chuckles)
- [00:05:17.460]Very grateful to know your mom,
- [00:05:19.200]and I just know your mom would've been freaking out.
- [00:05:21.990]Oh yes.
- [00:05:22.823]Glad that you were okay.
- [00:05:23.700]Glad you were saved,
- [00:05:25.386]and that's a fun memory now
- [00:05:26.219]for you and your family, I'm sure.
- [00:05:28.260]Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- [00:05:29.100]I don't know, I can't, like, pinpoint,
- [00:05:31.950]like, how old I was or whatnot,
- [00:05:33.690]but it was when my family
- [00:05:35.070]had first moved out into the country,
- [00:05:36.600]so I think I was probably about
- [00:05:37.890]like, six or seven years old,
- [00:05:39.390]and my dad's pickup still had the cassette player,
- [00:05:42.390]and he, like, had made his, like, mix tapes,
- [00:05:45.480]and so he was playing the mix tapes in the truck,
- [00:05:48.120]and I just remember just,
- [00:05:49.470]like, going with him down the gravel roads,
- [00:05:51.270]listening to his mix tape,
- [00:05:52.620]and he would be, like, singing at the top of his lungs,
- [00:05:55.500]like, these songs
- [00:05:56.640]and it was just so fun to be with him
- [00:05:58.920]and spend that time together,
- [00:06:00.780]commuting and listening to his songs,
- [00:06:02.190]and some of those songs are still some of my favorite songs,
- [00:06:04.860]so he instilled his music taste in me,
- [00:06:07.260]so this is just a fun memory from my childhood
- [00:06:09.750]with my dad in the truck. (laughs)
- [00:06:12.510]Okay, I am gonna do our lightning round Q&A
- [00:06:16.470]where I ask you questions just kind of rapid fire.
- [00:06:19.560]I'm gonna tell you a parenting task,
- [00:06:21.840]and I want you to tell me
- [00:06:22.980]if this was harder than you expected
- [00:06:26.370]before you were a dad or if it was easier,
- [00:06:29.010]so like, for example, like, teething,
- [00:06:31.230]and you could say, like, it was harder or it was easier,
- [00:06:33.780]and then we'll just move on to the next one,
- [00:06:35.670]so Calvin, was diapering easier or harder than you expected?
- [00:06:41.010]I'm gonna have to say harder.
- [00:06:42.900]I didn't have a whole lot of experience with that
- [00:06:45.330]before becoming a father,
- [00:06:46.800]and really, I'm pretty new to it.
- [00:06:48.780]My son is about a month and a half old now,
- [00:06:51.030]so the first diaper I ever actually changed
- [00:06:53.550]was in the hospital,
- [00:06:54.630]so just not doing that for the first time with a newborn
- [00:06:57.870]was a new experience,
- [00:06:58.890]so definitely harder than I expected.
- [00:07:01.890]Yeah, they're so wiggly, right?
- [00:07:03.453]Yes. Yes. Yeah. Makes it hard.
- [00:07:07.050]Okay, Troy, how about toilet training?
- [00:07:10.080]How was that? Was that easier or harder?
- [00:07:12.360]Definitely harder.
- [00:07:13.320]Just thought eventually
- [00:07:14.970]it would just that he would want to at some point
- [00:07:18.150]just, "Hey, I wanna be done with the diapers,"
- [00:07:20.100]and it just,
- [00:07:21.120]there's a point when you think they should be ready,
- [00:07:24.330]and they may not necessarily be ready.
- [00:07:26.940]It's on their schedule, not yours.
- [00:07:28.890]Yeah, definitely.
- [00:07:29.790]Alright, we'll do the next one,
- [00:07:31.650]and you both can answer this one, I think.
- [00:07:33.600]Bottle feeding, was this easier or harder?
- [00:07:36.150]Probably easier 'cause Julie, my wife, she breastfed,
- [00:07:42.291]and we shared as much as we could.
- [00:07:44.010]There were times, like, I remember just times on vacation,
- [00:07:47.400]and always, you know, the bottle feeding,
- [00:07:49.841]there were times when she couldn't feed him,
- [00:07:53.100]and she pumped and all that other stuff.
- [00:07:56.250]So you didn't have to do it very often,
- [00:07:57.540]but it was easier than what you had thought.
- [00:08:00.060]You know, when the time came, it was, I don't know,
- [00:08:02.250]it was just easier than I would've thought.
- [00:08:05.490]Great. Calvin. I concur with that.
- [00:08:07.500]Yeah, it's been, I mean, it's something we look forward to.
- [00:08:10.860]It's something that seems to come pretty easy,
- [00:08:13.530]and we're doing pretty heavy formula for our son here,
- [00:08:18.030]but I think we finally have found a blend
- [00:08:20.310]that agrees with him,
- [00:08:21.570]and yeah, it's going great.
- [00:08:23.610]About every two hours,
- [00:08:25.080]he sure lets us know it's time to go again.
- [00:08:27.588]Next one, swaddling.
- [00:08:30.780]Easy in concept.
- [00:08:32.070]The baby burrito is what we used to call it.
- [00:08:34.855]I love that. (chuckles)
- [00:08:36.245]But it was more difficult than I thought
- [00:08:39.723]just 'cause it doesn't matter how you do it, they get out.
- [00:08:43.583]Yeah, I would definitely agree with you there, Troy.
- [00:08:46.558]Definitely, you think it'd be easy,
- [00:08:48.450]but, you know, 10 minutes later. (chuckles)
- [00:08:51.672]They're out. They're out.
- [00:08:53.412]They're out. Yeah.
- [00:08:54.870]I will read off the last ones that we have,
- [00:08:57.060]and I'll let you choose which one we do.
- [00:09:00.300]We have teaching a child to ride a bike,
- [00:09:02.610]soothing a crying child,
- [00:09:04.530]spoonfeeding and dressing a baby.
- [00:09:07.140]A few of those I haven't got to yet, but... (laughs)
- [00:09:10.500]How about last one?
- [00:09:11.490]I'm guessing you've gone soothing a crying child.
- [00:09:14.160]I'm guessing you've gotten there. Okay, let's do that.
- [00:09:17.039]So I think, of course, that's still relatively new,
- [00:09:19.590]but I think we can figure it out
- [00:09:21.810]what some of the cries maybe mean,
- [00:09:23.580]and our baby does not like to be wet,
- [00:09:25.620]so when there's a wet diaper,
- [00:09:27.120]it's almost pretty much instinct that we know what to do
- [00:09:30.600]and get him outta that.
- [00:09:31.710]We can relatively know what to respond, like I mentioned,
- [00:09:34.650]like, every two hours, you know,
- [00:09:36.027]and it seems like that feeding schedule,
- [00:09:37.890]and he's pretty on that,
- [00:09:39.635]sometimes we just need to let him down.
- [00:09:42.930]I mean, he's a little bit independent, you know,
- [00:09:44.640]he'll let us know that sometimes
- [00:09:46.470]he just needs to be be alone and wiggle,
- [00:09:48.270]so I think we're starting to get it down.
- [00:09:51.300]Yeah, you seem really calm about it, so-
- [00:09:53.610]Yeah. I like that perspective.
- [00:09:55.170]Yeah, just figure out what they need,
- [00:09:57.000]and take care of it, and it'll be fine.
- [00:09:59.460]It was probably a little bit of both,
- [00:10:01.830]but I would probably lean towards
- [00:10:03.750]it was more difficult than I thought
- [00:10:05.550]'cause there were times when
- [00:10:07.470]these were the most difficult times
- [00:10:08.700]when, like you said, I totally agree,
- [00:10:11.400]like, you go through the checklist of why they're crying,
- [00:10:13.830]like, "Did we feed him?
- [00:10:14.880]Is the diaper wet?"
- [00:10:16.494]You kinda run through a checklist, or there gas,
- [00:10:19.170]or any of the normal sort of things that happen,
- [00:10:22.980]and then when it's not that, and you can't calm him down,
- [00:10:25.830]I mean, that is a torture that, like, woo.
- [00:10:28.873]That one's difficult,
- [00:10:30.390]so that was definitely more difficult
- [00:10:33.420]than I would've thought.
- [00:10:35.640]Yeah, in those moments when you can't figure it out,
- [00:10:37.740]and they're upset, you're upset
- [00:10:39.480]because you don't want them to be upset.
- [00:10:41.640]That could be really hard, absolutely.
- [00:10:44.640]All right, now I wanna read an excerpt from a recent article
- [00:10:47.910]titled "The Changing Role of the Modern Father,"
- [00:10:50.640]and this article writes that the modern-day father
- [00:10:53.250]comes in various forms.
- [00:10:54.967]"Today's father is no longer always
- [00:10:57.120]the traditional married breadwinner
- [00:10:58.740]and disciplinarian in the family.
- [00:11:00.750]He can be single or married,
- [00:11:02.610]externally employed or stay-at-home,
- [00:11:04.770]gay or straight, an adoptive or stepparent,
- [00:11:07.830]and more than capable caregiver to children
- [00:11:10.200]facing physical or psychological challenges.
- [00:11:13.140]Psychological research across families
- [00:11:15.330]from all ethnic backgrounds
- [00:11:16.860]suggest that father's affection
- [00:11:18.600]and increased family involvement
- [00:11:20.280]help promote children's social and emotional development."
- [00:11:24.450]So having read that excerpt from that article,
- [00:11:28.140]what do you, Troy and Calvin,
- [00:11:30.540]see as the role of the modern-day father?
- [00:11:33.630]So the modern-day father. That's interesting.
- [00:11:37.590]For me, I feel like the modern father
- [00:11:39.780]is sort of a jack-of-all-trades.
- [00:11:41.610]I think there's more asked
- [00:11:44.730]than what's traditionally thought of,
- [00:11:46.650]like, "Hey, I go to work, I come home, food's on the table,
- [00:11:50.640]I go and I put the slippers on, I read the paper,
- [00:11:53.610]if kids needs discipline, I gets,"
- [00:11:55.260]like, that's gone, right?
- [00:11:57.930]Like, that's one that's not real, one,
- [00:12:00.840]I don't think it ever really was,
- [00:12:02.280]but that's gone and I think for me,
- [00:12:04.620]the thought of being a modern-day father is being present,
- [00:12:08.040]being involved in a lot of cases,
- [00:12:10.140]sort of getting out of your comfort zone
- [00:12:11.910]that may be natural,
- [00:12:13.230]but man, it's, I found it yields so much more
- [00:12:16.920]when you can have this conversation
- [00:12:18.570]with this little being, if you will
- [00:12:20.880]and you get so much out of it
- [00:12:23.160]I just think, I mean, you get so much out of it,
- [00:12:25.260]more than you ever anticipated that you were gonna have
- [00:12:27.480]with a 2-year-old or three year old or four year
- [00:12:29.610]like there's so much more that you get out of it
- [00:12:31.620]just by being present, actively sort of listening
- [00:12:33.780]and actively trying to understand how their mind works
- [00:12:37.020]and then there's a certain sense
- [00:12:38.280]of how do I begin to impart what I value,
- [00:12:42.136]for them being a productive member of society, right?
- [00:12:47.160]Like, I think that stuff starts when they're young
- [00:12:51.060]and the only way you could do that is one, be involved,
- [00:12:54.720]two, listen and have these conversations
- [00:12:57.030]and then you can sort of impart sort of life lessons
- [00:13:00.930]and things like that.
- [00:13:03.180]Yeah so it sounds, like, from what you're saying is, like,
- [00:13:05.673]when you're involved and you put in that effort,
- [00:13:08.130]you found it so rewarding.
- [00:13:09.900]Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
- [00:13:11.310]Speaking of with an 18 and a 21-year-old,
- [00:13:14.370]we continue to this day to be a tight family
- [00:13:17.700]and we value that time together,
- [00:13:20.430]especially as that time
- [00:13:22.500]is going to be less and less and less.
- [00:13:24.660]We value that time together
- [00:13:26.250]and I think the underpinnings of valuing that time started
- [00:13:30.600]or when they were young, it starts with,
- [00:13:34.050]yeah, we're going to spend time.
- [00:13:36.570]There's times when you're,
- [00:13:38.283]"Hey, I'm coming home from work, I'm tired,
- [00:13:41.184]I've been traveling, I've been doing all these things."
- [00:13:43.450]But to me it yielded way more to be involved,
- [00:13:46.230]to talk, to listen, to play games, to just be there
- [00:13:50.790]I got so much more out of it than they ever know
- [00:13:54.210]and I think it lends to,
- [00:13:56.130]for my wife and I, we would say our kids are some of our,
- [00:13:59.460]and this makes sound wrong, they're like our friends
- [00:14:02.250]like we enjoy conversations with each other
- [00:14:05.130]Don't get me wrong I mean,
- [00:14:06.060]it's not like little house in the prairie,
- [00:14:07.350]but that's our family dynamic
- [00:14:09.990]and that's what all of that was imparted
- [00:14:12.930]or began to be imparted
- [00:14:15.570]when they were really, really young.
- [00:14:17.640]Hearing you talk about that so positively
- [00:14:19.470]just makes my heart so happy,
- [00:14:21.000]I love hearing that, thank you.
- [00:14:22.590]I'm gonna throw it over to Calvin
- [00:14:24.210]What's your take on the modern-day father?
- [00:14:26.310]I kind of feel, like, I'm stepping into that
- [00:14:29.850]almost when you kind of say those terms
- [00:14:32.070]and as a new father that in the year 2024,
- [00:14:36.237]and I think when Troy was talking about being present
- [00:14:38.940]and your priorities just change,
- [00:14:41.700]it's hard to describe until you're in that situation
- [00:14:45.210]and everything that that little boy needs
- [00:14:48.090]I mean, everything just shifts that way
- [00:14:50.070]and I think your passions due as well
- [00:14:51.960]and I mean, it's a highlight of everything I feel like,
- [00:14:54.690]and just looking ahead and the concept of my father,
- [00:14:58.613]to me, being able to instill those values
- [00:15:01.680]that was taught to me
- [00:15:03.030]and I think it'd be really important
- [00:15:05.220]and I think being able to move back to rural Nebraska
- [00:15:08.490]to provide maybe some similar opportunities
- [00:15:10.830]that I was growing up was really important in our marriage
- [00:15:14.160]and with my wife and I to provide to our kids
- [00:15:17.220]so very, very blessed and excited about that opportunity
- [00:15:20.580]to be here in Holdrege to provide that
- [00:15:23.550]but yeah, I think things just shift and change
- [00:15:26.340]and I mean, he's all that's important to us,
- [00:15:29.490]and we'll do everything that we can do
- [00:15:32.310]to make that a positive experience for him
- [00:15:34.980]and I think there's a lot of distractions nowadays.
- [00:15:39.270]Everything, you know, technology,
- [00:15:41.550]they can find a lot of negative things,
- [00:15:44.250]a lot of positive things,
- [00:15:45.420]but there's probably so much information
- [00:15:47.310]that they could find at their fingertips
- [00:15:49.020]that a modern day parent or father
- [00:15:51.360]probably need to be pretty intentional
- [00:15:54.150]to make sure their kids are on the right path
- [00:15:56.250]with all these distractions all the time
- [00:15:58.110]and it's not uncommon
- [00:16:00.060]to hear a second grader has a cell phone,
- [00:16:02.669]and just kind of things like that
- [00:16:05.337]and so there's just a lot more distractions I think,
- [00:16:08.103]than maybe there used to be.
- [00:16:10.230]It sounds, like, the technology advances
- [00:16:14.700]and everything that that entails is really on your mind
- [00:16:18.330]Do you wanna talk a little bit more about that Calvin?
- [00:16:20.700]And Troy too, feel welcome to chime in on that as well.
- [00:16:23.730]Sure, sure I mean, even ourselves, right?
- [00:16:27.030]I mean, it's hard to walk across the house
- [00:16:30.090]without having your cell phone in your pocket,
- [00:16:32.490]so just as distracted as maybe it can be for us
- [00:16:35.820]to just imagine what it could be like for a child
- [00:16:37.980]that's still developing
- [00:16:39.600]and maybe their own values, their opinions
- [00:16:42.420]and gosh, it just seems, like,
- [00:16:44.010]texting is the modern day communication
- [00:16:46.200]rather than having a genuine conversation face to face
- [00:16:49.140]and so maybe just, of course,
- [00:16:51.540]not having that direct opportunity to,
- [00:16:54.120]as a father yet to maybe consult and maybe, like,
- [00:16:56.550]Troy might have to have those genuine conversations,
- [00:16:59.040]but just maybe being able to advise
- [00:17:02.940]and put him on the right path
- [00:17:04.110]and not being so dependent on that technology,
- [00:17:06.660]and maybe it could be pretty important in the future for me.
- [00:17:10.470]I would agree.
- [00:17:11.370]It's funny, I didn't even think about this,
- [00:17:13.110]but I've seen the dawn of computers
- [00:17:15.990]and the Internet
- [00:17:17.070]and all those other things, I was into computing,
- [00:17:20.178]like, when I was a kid and I had like a Commodore 64,
- [00:17:24.000]so I had a computer, so seeing the rise of that,
- [00:17:27.240]but specifically the cell phone,
- [00:17:29.281]I remember having the discussion with Julie,
- [00:17:33.120]like Derrick is in the sixth grade now, like, what do we do?
- [00:17:37.020]and up until then we had had access
- [00:17:39.060]to cell phones and I mean,
- [00:17:40.320]so the notion of at at least we had to make that,
- [00:17:44.130]like determination of when to turn that on
- [00:17:47.730]but obviously, Calvin, I don't envy you in that respect
- [00:17:51.270]of like, it's way more present and in your face
- [00:17:55.560]than it was 20 some odd years ago
- [00:17:58.200]and so I can see that's that being very, very difficult
- [00:18:03.210]and in my work, I see the kids who, like,
- [00:18:08.940]can't have a conversation
- [00:18:10.110]or they don't look you in the eye
- [00:18:12.180]or they don't, you know, it's just, like,
- [00:18:13.470]you can see the remnants of not being comfortable
- [00:18:21.124]having a conversation,
- [00:18:23.043]pleasant or unpleasant or otherwise,
- [00:18:25.620]like, they're just not being comfortable with it,
- [00:18:27.390]to be able to have the conversation and you see that
- [00:18:31.410]and I think that was more of a shift
- [00:18:33.750]probably right after we made the decision
- [00:18:37.500]because they never had, like, we didn't do cell phones,
- [00:18:40.560]like we didn't do cell phones
- [00:18:42.270]until they got into the sixth grade,
- [00:18:44.430]which still sounds crazy when you think about it
- [00:18:46.800]but it was about communication
- [00:18:49.140]because someone had a ball game here or a practice there
- [00:18:53.250]or someone's coming home
- [00:18:54.390]and we needed to be able to have some contact
- [00:18:57.360]I don't envy that for the fathers coming after say me
- [00:19:02.297]'cause I mean, that's gonna be a decision
- [00:19:04.170]that you gotta make,
- [00:19:05.804]to one, exclude the technology to a certain point
- [00:19:08.460]so you can have a conversation and then when do I add it?
- [00:19:14.190]so we do have convenience and communication
- [00:19:18.120]and all the things that you talked about,
- [00:19:20.880]adding it like, when they're young, I don't know,
- [00:19:23.850]I don't know if, well,
- [00:19:25.620]I know we wouldn't have done that,
- [00:19:26.910]but it's a different world.
- [00:19:28.950]Go ahead, Calvin.
- [00:19:30.474]It seems to be be ever evolving too
- [00:19:31.500]and I mean, you can go to the mall,
- [00:19:34.320]you can go anywhere it seems like,
- [00:19:36.450]to soothe children, well, give them your phone,
- [00:19:39.960]give your iPad, play a video, you know?
- [00:19:42.570]And I'm not so sure I want to be that parent.
- [00:19:45.750]It just seems to, while it is easy,
- [00:19:49.050]it just seems, like, they're glued to it all the time
- [00:19:51.300]and that's all they want then,
- [00:19:52.740]rather than pull the toys out of the bin,
- [00:19:55.290]let's go play catch outside.
- [00:19:56.700]You know what I mean?
- [00:19:58.399]But yes, it'll be something that we have to tackle
- [00:20:00.300]as Bennett continues to develop for sure.
- [00:20:03.930]Yeah, yeah.
- [00:20:04.763]We get a lot of questions about screen time
- [00:20:07.080]and technology with the early childhood team,
- [00:20:09.420]so it's definitely on the minds of parents for sure
- [00:20:13.200]and this kind of leads into one of the questions
- [00:20:15.060]that I wanted to ask you both
- [00:20:17.390]and kind of, like, talking about,
- [00:20:19.800]what we wanna teach our children
- [00:20:21.330]and what we wanna instill in our children
- [00:20:23.520]and most dads say it's extremely or very important to them,
- [00:20:27.450]that their children be honest and ethical,
- [00:20:30.030]hardworking and ambitious as adults
- [00:20:32.670]and there's also a high percentage of dads
- [00:20:34.530]who think it's highly important
- [00:20:36.530]that their children become adults who help others in need
- [00:20:38.640]and are accepting of people who are different from them
- [00:20:41.490]so I was gonna ask you,
- [00:20:42.630]what are your hopes for your own children?
- [00:20:44.910]or in Troy's case, they're almost maybe finished
- [00:20:47.550]like they're adults now
- [00:20:48.600]What was your hope for them when they were young?
- [00:20:51.360]So, kind of along the same lines,
- [00:20:53.487]but I grew up, I say South Jersey,
- [00:20:55.920]but it's a town called Camden
- [00:20:57.660]Just Google it and I mean, it's a different place,
- [00:21:00.720]it's changed since I left
- [00:21:02.190]but it's, I grew up Camden in the late '80s and '90s
- [00:21:06.307]let's just say it was a lot different than Lincoln, Nebraska
- [00:21:09.750]it's funny because I am, in a lot of ways,
- [00:21:13.650]I'm extremely thankful for having grown up in Camden.
- [00:21:17.970]Now, I could have done
- [00:21:18.990]without some of the stuff that we had to go through
- [00:21:21.950]but I'm extremely thankful.
- [00:21:25.020]Some of the greatest, some of the smartest people,
- [00:21:27.090]some of my best friends at this very day
- [00:21:29.640]are from Camden, New Jersey
- [00:21:31.140]and to quote unquote, "Get out to go to college,"
- [00:21:35.184]I was lucky enough for a football scholarship,
- [00:21:37.710]but there's a hunger and a drive
- [00:21:40.620]that comes from growing up in that situation
- [00:21:44.250]and I just listened to the book Grit
- [00:21:46.950]and it's that idea that like, I wanted them to be honest
- [00:21:50.520]I wanted them to judge people by what they do,
- [00:21:53.550]not necessarily by what they say, but what they do
- [00:21:56.881]and so I wanted that for them,
- [00:21:58.980]but probably the biggest thing I wanted for them was,
- [00:22:02.100]I wanted them to have this hunger
- [00:22:04.530]and because of the title of the book,
- [00:22:06.600]I wanted him to have this hunger and this grit
- [00:22:09.576]that growing up in Camden and again,
- [00:22:10.830]getting a scholarship and ending up in Nebraska
- [00:22:12.690]and going to law school,
- [00:22:13.620]sort of what that felt like,
- [00:22:15.930]but I didn't necessarily want them
- [00:22:17.490]to have to go through it the same way that I did.
- [00:22:19.680]Like, that's really, really hard, right?
- [00:22:21.870]And so how do you, the eternal thing,
- [00:22:24.630]and I still struggle with this to this day
- [00:22:26.700]so it doesn't go away.
- [00:22:28.080]How do you instill that fight and that grit
- [00:22:31.800]and that want to,
- [00:22:34.440]on top of all the other things
- [00:22:35.610]that you want them to be,
- [00:22:36.900]without, like, having to drop them in Camden, New Jersey
- [00:22:40.170]and grow up and live the same way I did?
- [00:22:42.990]Did you find anything that was helpful
- [00:22:44.700]as they were growing?
- [00:22:45.930]Like, I just had to take a step back
- [00:22:47.850]'cause they weren't going, like, I had to be honest
- [00:22:50.580]They weren't growing up the way that I did
- [00:22:52.740]I had to take a step back
- [00:22:53.940]and just, you had to pick your hills to die on
- [00:22:56.730]and there were certain hills that,
- [00:22:58.890]like, this is how we do it.
- [00:23:01.290]We're going to study, you're going to take time,
- [00:23:04.170]you are going to read, we're going to be outside,
- [00:23:07.346]we're going to give, giving our druthers
- [00:23:09.630]We're gonna go move, like we're gonna go walk,
- [00:23:12.216]like, this is the way
- [00:23:13.049]we're going to participate in activities
- [00:23:15.660]this is the way we do it,
- [00:23:17.780]I'm not holding you to someone else's standard,
- [00:23:20.730]I'm holding you to our family's standard
- [00:23:23.670]and at least that's the way I found,
- [00:23:25.740]and then, of course, I was tempered with my wife,
- [00:23:28.350]she's usually the voice of reason
- [00:23:29.970]and all that good stuff
- [00:23:31.560]but that's how I felt like I could,
- [00:23:34.032]that's how I could instill it without again,
- [00:23:36.420]having to drop them in Camden
- [00:23:37.860]and say, "This is the life you are gonna live,
- [00:23:40.110]now you have to adjust to it."
- [00:23:41.700]Yeah I'm hearing a lot in what you said,
- [00:23:45.020]so stepping back and letting them, like, fight their own
- [00:23:48.210]and figure some of their battles out,
- [00:23:50.220]but then also setting, like, high expectations
- [00:23:52.800]and saying like, "This is our standard as a family
- [00:23:56.120]and I'm gonna help you meet that."
- [00:23:58.320]You didn't just leave them alone
- [00:23:59.640]to just meet those high expectations,
- [00:24:01.950]but just setting them
- [00:24:02.820]and helping them meet those high expectations
- [00:24:05.160]was maybe helpful for you and your family.
- [00:24:08.010]Yeah, yeah, I mean,
- [00:24:09.000]there's plenty of ride back in the car,
- [00:24:10.800]like, "Hey man, I know that stinks
- [00:24:12.810]that we have to do it that way,
- [00:24:13.860]but that's just the way we do it" and-
- [00:24:16.180]Right and talk through that.
- [00:24:18.120]Not like, deal with those emotions on their own, yeah.
- [00:24:21.150]Yeah. Yeah.
- [00:24:21.983]Because it's very easy to go,
- [00:24:23.467]"Well everyone else is doing it this way,
- [00:24:25.320]how come I'm not allowed to throw stuff or run around
- [00:24:28.830]or do this or do that."
- [00:24:29.663]I'm like, "That's the price we paid
- [00:24:31.320]for your last name to be in Branch"
- [00:24:32.580]That's why I used said.
- [00:24:34.188]I like that line, I like that line,
- [00:24:35.990]I might steal that in the future. (chuckles)
- [00:24:39.303]Yeah, thanks Troy.
- [00:24:40.136]Calvin, you wanna weigh in?
- [00:24:41.160]Sure, sure I think Troy had a awesome response there too.
- [00:24:44.130]Yeah, he did.
- [00:24:45.350]I think, if it goes back to the way I was parented,
- [00:24:49.620]there's one thing, like one life lesson
- [00:24:51.660]my dad always tried to instill in us boys
- [00:24:54.270]was no matter what you do,
- [00:24:56.430]always do your best job, no matter what that task is,
- [00:25:00.630]what the assignment is,
- [00:25:02.640]always do the best you can do
- [00:25:04.710]regardless of what the end result might be
- [00:25:06.990]so I think just having that mindset,
- [00:25:10.500]I think playing into a lot of those values
- [00:25:12.600]that we mentioned,
- [00:25:13.830]I think is definitely going to be something
- [00:25:15.720]that I try to instill as a father
- [00:25:18.210]and not quitting, not giving up,
- [00:25:21.090]but no matter what you do, always do your best job,
- [00:25:24.030]I think is something that my dad always tried to hold
- [00:25:27.210]as the higher standard for us.
- [00:25:29.040]Yeah, that makes sense
- [00:25:30.420]and I also like that because it also allows children
- [00:25:34.500]to feel like they can fail,
- [00:25:36.810]like if they try something
- [00:25:38.160]but they tried their hardest, that's what matters,
- [00:25:41.220]it doesn't matter if you actually failed at it
- [00:25:43.740]or were successful
- [00:25:45.210]What matters is that you put your best effort forward,
- [00:25:48.360]which I really like.
- [00:25:49.860]I love that Calvin, I applied to sports quite a bit
- [00:25:52.470]'cause I coached my kids
- [00:25:54.210]but it's as if at the end of the day,
- [00:25:55.950]if you can look up and you can evaluate that,
- [00:25:59.070]"Hey, I did the best I could"
- [00:25:59.903]I mean, you get beat,
- [00:26:01.440]hey, tip your hat and go work and get better, right?
- [00:26:04.440]Like it's more about the process than it is about the result
- [00:26:08.100]and if you do the process well,
- [00:26:10.560]the result will take care of itself more often than not.
- [00:26:13.470]And I think those that surround you,
- [00:26:15.870]if you truly put the best effort you possibly could,
- [00:26:18.930]other people are gonna recognize that
- [00:26:20.757]and that's only gonna help build relationships
- [00:26:23.370]and in today's society, that's relationships are everything
- [00:26:26.790]so having that solid network around you,
- [00:26:28.950]it's only gonna help with that future.
- [00:26:31.170]Absolutely.
- [00:26:32.250]Thank you both for your perspectives on that
- [00:26:34.722]I'm gonna move to our next question,
- [00:26:36.930]and both of you can weigh in on this one as well,
- [00:26:39.990]but Calvin, I'm really interested to hear your response
- [00:26:42.900]because you're a newly minted parent
- [00:26:44.460]and are learning about all the things
- [00:26:45.870]that parenting involves
- [00:26:47.040]so most parents, about 62% of them say,
- [00:26:49.837]"Being a parent
- [00:26:50.670]has been at least somewhat harder than they expected"
- [00:26:53.400]with about a quarter, 26% saying,
- [00:26:56.197]"It's been a lot harder than they expected."
- [00:26:59.190]Calvin, what did you think parenting was gonna be like
- [00:27:02.220]and what have you found it to be like?
- [00:27:04.590]You know, you ride that high for those nine months
- [00:27:07.440]and then priorities shift, priorities change
- [00:27:09.840]and I wouldn't say it's harder
- [00:27:13.380]than I thought it was gonna be
- [00:27:15.090]I think it's really just all I look forward to anymore,
- [00:27:18.346]if I can come home, have lunch with my wife
- [00:27:21.870]and see Bennet over the lunch hour
- [00:27:24.120]and come home, the first thing we look forward to
- [00:27:27.330]is getting a hold of him getting interact, you know?
- [00:27:29.340]and I think if there's anything that maybe was just harder,
- [00:27:33.780]I think it's just adjusting to this new reality,
- [00:27:37.350]the new balance, balancing home life, work life
- [00:27:40.950]and so I think that's probably been the harder part for me
- [00:27:43.583]I mean, just recognizing, once he gets older,
- [00:27:47.100]more youth activities, I think that that's going to be,
- [00:27:50.450]I think what comes to that just at us pretty quick
- [00:27:53.400]and continuing to learn and that balance
- [00:27:55.890]and those kind of things
- [00:27:57.090]so I think that might be,
- [00:27:58.980]I don't know if I wanna say it's gonna be hard,
- [00:28:00.960]but the challenge maybe for me that I could foresee
- [00:28:04.230]and then with maybe the goal
- [00:28:06.000]of expanding our family further,
- [00:28:07.890]just dividing and conquering might have to be something
- [00:28:12.030]that we just naturally come to do.
- [00:28:14.220]I like how you reframe it as kind of adjusting
- [00:28:17.638]to your new life rather than saying it's harder.
- [00:28:20.850]It's just, that's kind of what it is, right?
- [00:28:23.010]Just adjusting to the new person in your life
- [00:28:26.670]and I love, love, love, love
- [00:28:29.310]hearing how much joy he brings you,
- [00:28:32.100]it just sounds like it's just so rewarding
- [00:28:34.050]to come home and see Bennett.
- [00:28:35.730]Absolutely.
- [00:28:36.630]And Troy, you were kind of smiling and nodding
- [00:28:39.504]when Calvin was mentioning the youth activities,
- [00:28:41.130]you got some insight there?
- [00:28:43.170]Yeah Like, so we're a sports family
- [00:28:45.420]My son's at University of Nebraska,
- [00:28:47.250]my daughter was played AAU basketball, high level,
- [00:28:50.340]played high level volleyball,
- [00:28:51.930]he played baseball
- [00:28:53.070]and he played basketball, like, it was nonstop, right?
- [00:28:55.590]Like they both played soccer and all the other stuff
- [00:28:58.320]but what I found to capture something that Calvin said was,
- [00:29:02.610]or at least answer the question somewhat,
- [00:29:05.400]I found it easier in that when we said,
- [00:29:08.947]"Yes, this is what we wanna do" Julie and I,
- [00:29:12.210]what I found is,
- [00:29:13.830]you find out what really matters in your life,
- [00:29:16.740]because all the other stuff,
- [00:29:18.840]all the friends that aren't getting on board
- [00:29:20.850]that like, "No, we can't go out.
- [00:29:22.260]No, we can't do this.
- [00:29:23.974]No, we can't do that."
- [00:29:25.050]'Cause, like, our focus is is this being
- [00:29:28.050]that we just brought into the world, you know?
- [00:29:30.540]so all of that stuff just goes to the wayside
- [00:29:32.910]and I mean, you know it's right
- [00:29:35.100]'cause it's really easy to do.
- [00:29:36.450]Like, you know, when, "Hey, this is for adults only"
- [00:29:40.170]Like, "We're having a dinner party, it's for adults only."
- [00:29:42.517]"Well, looks like we're not gonna be there."
- [00:29:44.700]Like it becomes really easy
- [00:29:47.640]'cause they're your world.
- [00:29:49.620]They're everything
- [00:29:51.450]and that's the way it was for us
- [00:29:53.040]and then we were fortunate enough
- [00:29:55.326]that we had a group of friends
- [00:29:56.159]that all sort of entered that world at the same time
- [00:30:00.242]and all of our kids now are graduating,
- [00:30:03.690]in various stages of graduating,
- [00:30:05.340]are in school, are in college,
- [00:30:06.990]and graduated from high school
- [00:30:08.670]but we were fortunate enough to have a group around us
- [00:30:12.660]that we could vacation together
- [00:30:13.950]and it was just our kids and all those things
- [00:30:17.820]and the reason why I was smiling
- [00:30:21.390]'cause, like youth activities,
- [00:30:23.376]you think it's a swim class here,
- [00:30:26.599]it's a practice there
- [00:30:27.900]and it just comes to dominate your life.
- [00:30:30.450]Like, it just literally takes over your life again
- [00:30:32.610]It's like another shift.
- [00:30:34.380]Like it's the shift with, "Okay, we have our family"
- [00:30:37.830]and then there's this next shift
- [00:30:39.749]of where you move on from other friends,
- [00:30:42.300]like, "This is our life."
- [00:30:43.680]Like, "We're at the ball field,
- [00:30:45.360]we're at practice, we got swim lessons."
- [00:30:48.065]I've been in ballet classes, I've been in gymnastics classes
- [00:30:52.560]and I've sat in theater classes and it just takes over.
- [00:30:58.950]But at the end of the day, I look back on it
- [00:31:00.810]and remember I said it went fast
- [00:31:02.250]and it goes faster than you ever could imagine
- [00:31:04.830]Like, all that stuff was there
- [00:31:06.360]and it's like that.
- [00:31:07.741]Yeah, it sounds like your priorities really shift.
- [00:31:10.991]Well, we are gonna take a quick break
- [00:31:13.650]and then we'll come back
- [00:31:14.520]and have more from Troy and Calvin on fatherhood.
- [00:31:18.210]If you would like more information about early childhood,
- [00:31:20.820]check out our website at child.unl.edu
- [00:31:24.360]or e-mail our team directly at earlychildhood@unl.edu.
- [00:31:29.760]And back to our interview with Troy and Calvin.
- [00:31:32.876](bright music)
- [00:31:34.530]Final question for y'all.
- [00:31:35.580]What is a piece of advice that you would give for fathers
- [00:31:39.450]or maybe prospective fathers?
- [00:31:42.450]I think maybe the importance
- [00:31:44.460]of just being present at all times
- [00:31:47.640]I mean, that be the most impactful thing
- [00:31:50.490]I think you could do.
- [00:31:52.650]Yeah being there, being present,
- [00:31:54.390]putting those distractions away
- [00:31:55.920]so you can be fully with your child, absolutely.
- [00:31:59.190]I was gonna say commit,
- [00:32:00.990]like, from the moment you say, "I'm gonna be a father,"
- [00:32:05.340]commit, the word commit probably is a singular word.
- [00:32:09.000]Like, commit to being the best father you can be
- [00:32:11.820]and by the way, realize that you're not gonna be perfect.
- [00:32:14.370]Like you're gonna mess some stuff up, like, guarantee it,
- [00:32:17.520]but commit to being the best father you could be
- [00:32:21.450]That means being present
- [00:32:23.340]and thinking about how do I raise this child,
- [00:32:28.110]getting on a commotional chief,
- [00:32:29.880]how do I not screw this up?
- [00:32:31.770]Right.
- [00:32:32.821]And like I said, now that we're gonna be empty nesters
- [00:32:39.270]and I'm just hopeful that we've done enough
- [00:32:42.510]that they wanna still hang out with their mom and dad
- [00:32:44.730]and have conversation and go to a ball game
- [00:32:48.660]or call me and say,
- [00:32:50.797]"Hey, did you see what happened with the Steelers
- [00:32:52.500]or the Huskers or Carolina Tar Hills?"
- [00:32:55.500]or like, I'm hopeful and I'm looking forward to it
- [00:32:58.590]and I'm hopeful that we've cultivated a relationship
- [00:33:02.490]that fosters all sorts of communication
- [00:33:04.782]as they move into adulthood.
- [00:33:07.440]Yeah, continuing that family relationship,
- [00:33:10.200]even as they're starting their own adult lives and, yeah.
- [00:33:14.019]Yeah.
- [00:33:14.852]Thank you both so much for your conversation today
- [00:33:17.100]I thoroughly enjoyed it
- [00:33:18.990]Both of you just seem so joyful about your role as a father,
- [00:33:23.340]and it just warms my heart
- [00:33:25.740]so thank you both for sharing your experiences with me
- [00:33:28.980]and your time with me I really appreciate it
- [00:33:31.440]Thank you, Emily.
- [00:33:32.273]Absolutely. Thanks for having us.
- [00:33:34.080]I also wanted to extend a thank you
- [00:33:37.200]to all the amazing fathers
- [00:33:38.940]who are out there raising and caring for children.
- [00:33:41.850]Your dedication, love, and hard work,
- [00:33:44.550]shape the lives of your kids
- [00:33:46.260]and make a world of a difference every day.
- [00:33:49.260]We appreciate all that you do
- [00:33:51.090]and wish you a very happy Father's Day.
- [00:33:54.240]Next up, we're gonna have some Nebraska youngsters
- [00:33:56.880]sharing about their dad.
- [00:33:59.100]My favorite thing about my dad is that he's smart,
- [00:34:02.820]silly, and kind, I love him.
- [00:34:05.430]My favorite thing about my dad is that he's kind,
- [00:34:09.273]thoughtful, silly and careful, I love him.
- [00:34:14.850]This has been a bonus episode
- [00:34:17.130]of The Good Life in Early Life.
- [00:34:19.140]A Nebraska Extension Early Childhood production
- [00:34:21.450]with your host Emily Manning
- [00:34:23.010]For more information on early childhood,
- [00:34:24.840]check out our website at child.unl.edu.
- [00:34:27.900]If you like the show, subscribe
- [00:34:29.340]and tell your friends to listen.
- [00:34:30.630]The show production team is Emily Manning,
- [00:34:32.820]Dr. Holly Hatton, Erin Kampbell, Ingrid Lindal,
- [00:34:36.330]Linda Reddish, Kim Wellsand, LaDonna Werth,
- [00:34:39.000]and Katie Krause.
- [00:34:40.080]See you next time and thanks for listening.
- [00:34:42.510]Bye-Bye.
- [00:34:43.538](bright music)
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