S1E7: "It's Very Scary" w. Mike Feeken
Nebraska Extension Early Childhood Program Area-Emily Manning, Dr. Holly Hatton, Ingrid Lindal, Erin Kampbell, Linda Reddish, Katie Krause, and LaDonna Werth
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Mike Feeken with First Five Nebraska joins us to discuss First Five Nebraska’s work and the impact of early childhood on the current and future economy. Mike describes the extensive brain development and soft skill learning taking place in the early years—the same skills that employers seek in potential employees. Exciting changes in legislation are headed our way in 2024 and Mike tells us how the average citizen can advocate for and support early childhood in their hometown. Listen to the very end to hear a young Nebraska describe what they like about Halloween!
Resources:
The Bottom Line Study: https://www.firstfivenebraska.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Bottom_Line_Report_Overview.pdf
FFN Legislation Tracker: https://www.firstfivenebraska.org/track-legislation/
FFN The Employer Early Childhood Accelerator Program: https://www.firstfivenebraska.org/employer-early-childhood-accelerator/
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- [00:00:10.140]This is "The Good Life in Early Life",
- [00:00:13.500]a production of Nebraska Extension.
- [00:00:15.840]I'm your host, Emily Manning,
- [00:00:17.370]an early childhood extension educator in Seward County,
- [00:00:20.700]and I wanna wish you a happy Halloween.
- [00:00:23.580]We've got some very scary topics for you today,
- [00:00:26.070]such as the economic model
- [00:00:27.780]of the childcare business and industry.
- [00:00:29.910]Make sure you tune in to the very end
- [00:00:31.890]to hear a young Nebraskan tell you
- [00:00:33.720]what they like about Halloween.
- [00:00:35.760](upbeat music)
- [00:00:38.100]Today I have with me Mike Feeken from First Five Nebraska.
- [00:00:41.160]Thank you so much for spending time with us today
- [00:00:43.320]and sharing your knowledge about First Five Nebraska.
- [00:00:45.570]Absolutely, thank you for having me.
- [00:00:47.490]Let's get started with a question
- [00:00:48.720]that I ask all of my podcast guests.
- [00:00:51.420]What is a funny memory from your childhood
- [00:00:54.060]or a favorite memory from your childhood?
- [00:00:56.520]When I was probably, what, four or five years old,
- [00:01:01.320]I had an aunt that was getting married
- [00:01:06.030]in Seattle, Washington,
- [00:01:07.980]and we were taking a road trip out there.
- [00:01:12.330]We started here in Nebraska.
- [00:01:13.560]We picked up an uncle in Denver
- [00:01:16.620]and we're driving all the way up there
- [00:01:19.410]in this big, awesome '80s conversion van, right?
- [00:01:23.790]And so, this uncle, he was a real character.
- [00:01:26.940]And he said, "You know what?
- [00:01:28.920]A guy of your age really needs to have a pocket knife."
- [00:01:33.210]Now, remember, I was four or five,
- [00:01:35.700]so obviously, that was the coolest thing
- [00:01:37.740]that I'd ever heard in my life.
- [00:01:38.880]Like, "Yeah, I do need a pocket knife!"
- [00:01:42.780]So, he gives me one, and it's a little one.
- [00:01:45.060]I mean, it's the,
- [00:01:47.130]but it did have scissors.
- [00:01:50.046]Oh, one of, like, utility knives, kind of?
- [00:01:52.504]Yes, yes.
- [00:01:53.850]And so, at a rest area,
- [00:01:58.530]or we were in a parking lot or something,
- [00:02:00.480]I don't remember those particulars,
- [00:02:02.640]I decided to utilize those scissors out of the pocket knife
- [00:02:08.250]and start to give myself a haircut.
- [00:02:10.606](Emily laughing)
- [00:02:12.120]Obviously, it didn't work out well.
- [00:02:14.160]There was a lot of screaming and crying and yelling,
- [00:02:16.560]because remember, we were-
- [00:02:18.240]Going to a wedding! (laughs)
- [00:02:19.303]A family wedding,
- [00:02:21.120]and there was going to be pictures and everything like this.
- [00:02:23.640]And so, I think it's more funny and it's more memorable
- [00:02:27.210]just because of the,
- [00:02:29.280]it was still a story that was always brought up.
- [00:02:33.210]Like, "Mike, don't you want a pocket knife,"
- [00:02:36.630]so many, so many years later.
- [00:02:38.700]Do you still keep getting the pocket knife gifts?
- [00:02:42.300]No, not so much.
- [00:02:43.133]That would be really funny
- [00:02:45.420]for an anniversary or birthday or something.
- [00:02:47.797]"Here's your pocket knife!"
- [00:02:48.810]Pocket knife, yep.
- [00:02:50.820]Oh gosh, what a hoot.
- [00:02:53.424]Were you a ring bearer?
- [00:02:56.131]I don't think I was.
- [00:02:58.947]That would've made it even more funny.
- [00:03:01.170]I don't think I was.
- [00:03:02.700]I do remember, also, the pictures that I was taken in,
- [00:03:04.987]I was not in a good mood that day,
- [00:03:07.140]and so, I didn't smile for anything.
- [00:03:09.540]But now they would Photoshop or airbrush you
- [00:03:13.953]a smiling face in there.
- [00:03:15.900]I was face down with a frown in all these wedding pictures.
- [00:03:21.510]Oh, my. (laughs)
- [00:03:23.520]You were not having it.
- [00:03:24.600]Not having it.
- [00:03:25.530]If you were to describe that haircut,
- [00:03:27.360]what would it look like?
- [00:03:28.511]Oh, geez, I don't know.
- [00:03:31.320]I mean, it was just crisscross on the bangs a little bit
- [00:03:36.000]and just like,
- [00:03:37.530]I mean, I didn't get real far.
- [00:03:38.940]It was just, and then maybe on the side a little.
- [00:03:41.910]You were getting creative, giving it some angle!
- [00:03:44.040]Well, the scissors were only an inch tall,
- [00:03:48.090]so I mean, you couldn't do a whole lot.
- [00:03:50.588](laughs) Yeah, oh, yeah. But that was a neat style.
- [00:03:54.413]You need to bring that back, for sure.
- [00:03:56.250]Yeah, that's right.
- [00:03:57.083]Thanks for sharing your story, I appreciate it.
- [00:03:58.010]Absolutely, absolutely.
- [00:03:59.850]Well, let's get into your work with First Five,
- [00:04:02.700]First Five Nebraska.
- [00:04:03.810]And for those listeners who aren't familiar with your work,
- [00:04:06.270]how would you describe the work
- [00:04:07.560]that you and your team do?
- [00:04:09.150]All right, so First Five Nebraska.
- [00:04:11.370]We are a statewide public policy organization.
- [00:04:14.310]We focus on early childhood education and care.
- [00:04:16.980]We also dip our toes into maternal wellness.
- [00:04:20.400]We dip our toes into child safety.
- [00:04:23.190]But really, at the end of the day,
- [00:04:24.210]we're all about policy solutions
- [00:04:28.080]for early care and education.
- [00:04:30.720]Now, what does that ultimately mean?
- [00:04:33.630]We're public policy, right?
- [00:04:35.760]Very exciting stuff, public policy.
- [00:04:38.490]What that means,
- [00:04:40.080]we have a team of professionals that,
- [00:04:43.470]whether that's through our communications team,
- [00:04:45.690]our data, our ones that are in the capitol building
- [00:04:51.240]that talk to decision-makers, talk to the legislature,
- [00:04:56.280]talk to agency heads
- [00:04:58.470]about early childhood education and care.
- [00:05:01.440]My piece of it is we have an engagement team.
- [00:05:05.340]And that can be community engagement,
- [00:05:07.200]that can be looking for advocates
- [00:05:12.473]throughout communities in the state.
- [00:05:14.130]My background is with economic development.
- [00:05:17.790]And so, I go out into communities
- [00:05:20.460]and I talk to local governing bodies.
- [00:05:23.790]I talk to employers,
- [00:05:25.590]I talk to stakeholders in communities
- [00:05:28.620]about why early education and early childcare
- [00:05:33.600]is important from a community development standpoint,
- [00:05:37.080]an economic development standpoint,
- [00:05:38.400]business development standpoint,
- [00:05:39.870]and why it's so important for communities
- [00:05:42.930]to think about that as they're trying to recruit residents,
- [00:05:46.020]as they're trying to retain workforce,
- [00:05:48.810]and ultimately, how that can be a piece in a strategy
- [00:05:53.340]for having folks live and work in their community.
- [00:05:58.080]So, that's First Five Nebraska.
- [00:05:59.490]Why are those first five years so important,
- [00:06:02.460]in your own words?
- [00:06:04.080]In my own words?
- [00:06:05.670]Okay, so there's really a few ways of looking at this.
- [00:06:11.550]From a child development standpoint,
- [00:06:15.600]the brain development side of things,
- [00:06:18.840]90% of the brain is developed between zero and five, 90%.
- [00:06:24.300]If you think about that, that's major.
- [00:06:26.310]That's really key, right?
- [00:06:27.990]A lot of the things that are developed,
- [00:06:29.157]and what we call executive function,
- [00:06:31.410]are things like critical thinking,
- [00:06:33.750]being able to self-regulate,
- [00:06:36.060]being able to have that impulse control
- [00:06:39.930]are really key at when we are starting to think
- [00:06:44.550]of how that child develops through the rest of their years.
- [00:06:49.950]And so, when we have quality
- [00:06:54.030]early childhood education opportunities or environments,
- [00:06:58.260]being able to have that executive function
- [00:07:01.170]or being able to build those executive function skills,
- [00:07:04.050]those soft skills, that's what really creates,
- [00:07:08.190]from a economic development standpoint,
- [00:07:10.530]workforce standpoint,
- [00:07:12.030]a responsive future talent pool.
- [00:07:14.880]And those are the things that I tend to talk about
- [00:07:19.650]when I am talking to businesses or employers.
- [00:07:21.930]Because what we hear a lot of times,
- [00:07:25.110]or what I have heard
- [00:07:27.300]back when I was doing economic development,
- [00:07:29.460]is the number one thing that we always hear
- [00:07:32.070]from employers or businesses
- [00:07:33.990]when they're looking for workforce is,
- [00:07:35.797]"Well, I just need,
- [00:07:36.780]I need someone that
- [00:07:38.310]can look me in the eye when they're speaking."
- [00:07:40.177]"I need someone that can show up on time."
- [00:07:42.757]"I need someone that doesn't just fly off the handle
- [00:07:49.020]and start a attacking someone verbally,
- [00:07:51.300]or physically, really."
- [00:07:53.730]And so, we can point back to
- [00:07:56.970]a lot of those skills that employers are,
- [00:07:58.950]those just basic skills,
- [00:08:00.600]we can look back and see that when they are developed,
- [00:08:04.770]it was in early age, from zero to five
- [00:08:07.800]Oftentimes, even before they've gone to school.
- [00:08:10.380]Oh, absolutely, yeah.
- [00:08:11.880]That, again, why those early care
- [00:08:13.710]and education settings are so important.
- [00:08:16.230]I have a question for you.
- [00:08:17.400]You talk to a lot of community members,
- [00:08:20.490]businesses, and employers.
- [00:08:22.320]What is some of the responses that you get
- [00:08:24.480]when you talk about that brain development
- [00:08:26.430]and some of those skills that are developed?
- [00:08:28.620]What do you hear from people?
- [00:08:30.210]Well, I think from the employer standpoint,
- [00:08:33.990]they understand.
- [00:08:35.820]There is also an awareness and an education
- [00:08:37.980]that I'm trying to bring to them as well.
- [00:08:40.320]And so, they may not know that at all.
- [00:08:42.270]And so, when I talk to them, I do ask,
- [00:08:46.147]"What do you find surprising?"
- [00:08:48.810]I think that they've always
- [00:08:52.380]maybe in the back of their mind known this,
- [00:08:54.780]but seeing it or actually hearing it presented
- [00:08:58.320]is always an eye-opener.
- [00:09:01.140]Early childhood education is important because
- [00:09:04.410]that is your talent and workforce of tomorrow.
- [00:09:07.860]But it's also very important right now
- [00:09:10.560]because early childhood education and care is the way that,
- [00:09:17.370]as long as it's accessible, affordable, and available,
- [00:09:21.300]then working parents can be in the workforce.
- [00:09:24.570]And so, it's really what I like to call
- [00:09:26.610]multi-generational talent and workforce recruitment.
- [00:09:29.730]And that's early childhood education.
- [00:09:32.040]Again, it has to be accessible,
- [00:09:32.873]it has to be affordable, it has to be available.
- [00:09:35.130]And that's typically what employers really latch onto,
- [00:09:40.560]is like: Oh yeah, well, we need it.
- [00:09:43.620]Not only do we need it now today
- [00:09:46.020]for my current workforce,
- [00:09:48.150]but we really need it so that the future workforce
- [00:09:53.650]is going to have those types of,
- [00:09:55.890]again, executive function skills.
- [00:09:57.990]Yeah, which is what you hear from employers
- [00:10:00.480]is those are the things that they want.
- [00:10:02.760]'Cause they can probably train them
- [00:10:04.320]in all the other skills that they need for the job,
- [00:10:07.200]but if they don't have those soft skills-
- [00:10:08.950]Yeah, that's right.
- [00:10:10.200]Yes.
- [00:10:11.033]So, you work with First Five Nebraska.
- [00:10:13.950]You're on the community engagement side
- [00:10:15.690]and engagement with businesses and stuff.
- [00:10:18.090]But you also have, with First Five Nebraska,
- [00:10:20.850]the legislation advocacy.
- [00:10:23.640]So, let's talk a little bit about
- [00:10:25.080]this last unicameral session,
- [00:10:26.670]that it had a lot of attention from the media,
- [00:10:28.740]both locally and nationally.
- [00:10:31.200]But in terms of early childhood in Nebraska,
- [00:10:33.750]what bills stood out to you or your team
- [00:10:36.360]as being particularly important
- [00:10:38.100]and what does it mean for Nebraska?
- [00:10:40.200]From a legislation standpoint,
- [00:10:41.580]for early childhood education and care,
- [00:10:43.260]we were very happy and glad
- [00:10:47.160]that the childcare provisions of LB754
- [00:10:52.140]were passed and signed into law by Governor Pillen.
- [00:10:55.500]This one is the childcare tax credits.
- [00:11:00.120]And so, really, there's three different type of components
- [00:11:05.370]that are with this tax credit.
- [00:11:07.680]One is for parents and guardians that utilize childcare.
- [00:11:12.360]There's gonna be tax credits per child
- [00:11:15.150]based on household incomes.
- [00:11:17.700]The second one is for,
- [00:11:20.730]and this is the one that I'm really, really excited to see,
- [00:11:24.420]is that there is a contribution tax credit.
- [00:11:28.080]And so, that means for Nebraska taxpayers,
- [00:11:30.810]either individually or on the corporate level,
- [00:11:34.950]private sector businesses,
- [00:11:36.690]that if they make qualifying contributions
- [00:11:39.150]to childcare programs,
- [00:11:41.160]they are able to take advantage of a tax credit.
- [00:11:45.810]And so, the other exciting piece to that piece of the bill
- [00:11:51.510]is that it's contributions
- [00:11:53.400]to for-profit or non-profit childcare programs.
- [00:11:58.200]And so, there's always been a tax-friendly option
- [00:12:03.180]for contributions to non-profit programs,
- [00:12:06.900]but the for-profit one is really the exciting piece.
- [00:12:10.950]And so, that's why I'm super excited about it
- [00:12:13.620]from an economic development standpoint.
- [00:12:16.500]The third piece of the childcare provisions for LB754
- [00:12:20.520]is how we can now take,
- [00:12:24.780]or we can further offer benefits
- [00:12:28.050]or offer support to our childcare professionals
- [00:12:32.700]and to our childcare programs
- [00:12:34.650]through what's called the School Readiness Tax Credit.
- [00:12:37.950]And so, if there is a childcare provider,
- [00:12:41.340]either as an individual, like a sole proprietor,
- [00:12:43.830]so that would be the family home childcares
- [00:12:46.530]or even center-based,
- [00:12:47.910]as either an owner or as an employee
- [00:12:51.270]of one of those programs,
- [00:12:52.350]they're able to take advantage of a tax credit as well.
- [00:12:56.220]And so, we're really excited about the tax credit program.
- [00:12:59.970]It was just passed this last session,
- [00:13:03.060]and so there's still a lot of regulatory
- [00:13:05.790]and definitions and implementation that needs to happen.
- [00:13:10.530]And so, we're not going to be seeing it for a while
- [00:13:15.120]while it's still being built,
- [00:13:17.550]it's still being created.
- [00:13:19.500]So, we won't really be able to see how the thing
- [00:13:25.140]is put together until later on.
- [00:13:28.230]But the public education campaign for those tax credits
- [00:13:34.440]is gonna be happening shortly.
- [00:13:37.740]And so, we're really excited about that.
- [00:13:41.070]Why is it important to have these contributions?
- [00:13:45.120]Why is it needed economically?
- [00:13:47.530](laughs) Well, let's talk about the childcare business.
- [00:13:53.250]Yes, let's talk about it.
- [00:13:54.330]All right, so the business model for childcare
- [00:13:59.040]is not like a typical business model.
- [00:14:02.610]With a typical business model,
- [00:14:04.440]if you're selling a good or you're selling a service,
- [00:14:07.500]you typically will,
- [00:14:09.600]as you're putting together a business plan
- [00:14:11.190]and you're looking at incomes and expenses
- [00:14:13.680]and that type of thing and that type of scenario.
- [00:14:17.880]With a typical business model,
- [00:14:19.710]you look at what the cost of goods is going to be.
- [00:14:24.150]Like, if you're building a widget,
- [00:14:25.830]what is going to go into creating that widget?
- [00:14:29.610]You're gonna have to consider electricity,
- [00:14:33.570]insurance, property taxes, all those,
- [00:14:37.380]the utilities, lease space.
- [00:14:39.870]Really, what is it going to take to create that good
- [00:14:42.840]or to provide that service?
- [00:14:44.670]So, you start there.
- [00:14:47.040]Then, you add on profit or whatever you want
- [00:14:51.060]to realize as a wage or as a salary.
- [00:14:55.020]And you add those up,
- [00:14:57.180]and that's how you determine what your price is, okay?
- [00:15:00.960]Now, in an open market,
- [00:15:02.730]the consumer can decide, any consumer can decide,
- [00:15:05.970]okay, do I want to spend that?
- [00:15:08.850]Do I want that good or service bad enough?
- [00:15:11.940]If it's something that I can do, use, yes.
- [00:15:15.270]If it's not something, I don't have to,
- [00:15:17.370]and there may be other choices along the line
- [00:15:19.770]from someone else.
- [00:15:20.670]In a childcare business model,
- [00:15:22.410]you really flip that upside down.
- [00:15:24.480]You start with how much parents can afford to pay,
- [00:15:30.600]and from that, you subtract out
- [00:15:33.810]your cost of goods or cost of service.
- [00:15:36.360]You subtract out the insurance,
- [00:15:39.390]the utilities, the property taxes,
- [00:15:43.200]and what you're left with, then,
- [00:15:44.940]is really how much you're going to
- [00:15:48.480]get paid as a salary or wage.
- [00:15:50.520]So, the price point is really
- [00:15:52.680]what your parents can afford to pay.
- [00:15:55.020]We know that it doesn't cover the cost of quality care.
- [00:15:59.790]We know that what is left over as a salary
- [00:16:03.510]or wage that goes to the provider,
- [00:16:06.780]it's not sustainable.
- [00:16:08.160]It's low-wage, it's high-stress.
- [00:16:11.370]There is so much that goes into being
- [00:16:14.310]a childcare professional that it really,
- [00:16:18.060]it's just such a struggle.
- [00:16:20.070]It's a broken model.
- [00:16:21.600]Yeah, and so, then, these contributions
- [00:16:23.460]can help out by helping to fix that issue.
- [00:16:29.250]Right, so the contribution, then,
- [00:16:30.960]can come in the form of,
- [00:16:33.990]maybe someone will contribute dollars to a program
- [00:16:39.750]that they can then move that over
- [00:16:41.730]to wages for some of their workers.
- [00:16:43.680]And so, then there's more continuity of staff,
- [00:16:46.530]and then that leads to better outcomes
- [00:16:48.960]or better quality environments for the child
- [00:16:51.180]because there's that continuity of staff,
- [00:16:53.040]or being able to just take care of the utility payments.
- [00:16:57.990]It's just, there'll be a,
- [00:17:00.120]it's a way to be able to
- [00:17:03.720]generate additional dollars,
- [00:17:06.210]really, in the plus category.
- [00:17:08.550]There is a childcare crisis here in Nebraska
- [00:17:10.800]and also nationally,
- [00:17:11.820]and that's probably related to the economic model
- [00:17:15.060]that we were talking about in the business model
- [00:17:16.710]and how that's broken.
- [00:17:18.480]But the childcare crisis is where parents and caregivers
- [00:17:21.450]do not have enough options or availability
- [00:17:23.550]within their communities for their children.
- [00:17:25.830]What policies have or are being developed to address this?
- [00:17:29.340]It's not necessarily a policy,
- [00:17:31.890]but a program that we do is what we call our accelerator.
- [00:17:36.480]And it really has to do with working with current employers.
- [00:17:41.730]If an employer is interested
- [00:17:43.290]in potentially getting in the space
- [00:17:45.810]of early childhood education benefits
- [00:17:48.420]or family-friendly policies
- [00:17:50.700]in order to help their working parents,
- [00:17:53.790]we can go in and we can review with those employers
- [00:17:57.420]about what their options are.
- [00:17:59.850]And so, I guess that leads back to being able
- [00:18:02.760]to provide more options for parents.
- [00:18:07.050]So many times, when we talk to employers,
- [00:18:11.040]they think that they would have to open on-site care.
- [00:18:16.140]Now, that could be one option,
- [00:18:18.420]but that doesn't mean,
- [00:18:20.100]there's an entire spectrum of potential solutions
- [00:18:23.640]that they can explore as far as family-friendly policies,
- [00:18:27.210]low-cost, no-cost ways to support working parents.
- [00:18:30.690]So, we go in and we can just talk through
- [00:18:33.480]all those options as they look at,
- [00:18:35.130]as a strategy for that,
- [00:18:36.990]again, talent workforce recruitment.
- [00:18:38.880]The exciting piece with that is seeing employers
- [00:18:44.490]really starting to understand how that does, again,
- [00:18:47.790]work into the talent and workforce recruitment strategy.
- [00:18:52.230]But it's a work in progress.
- [00:18:54.090]Obviously, there are financial considerations
- [00:18:57.090]with many of those types of options.
- [00:18:59.940]But at the end of the day, I think what we see
- [00:19:02.520]is that when employees are,
- [00:19:05.580]when they are secure in knowing where their child is,
- [00:19:09.210]that productivity increases, morale increases.
- [00:19:13.890]So, from a business standpoint,
- [00:19:15.690]there is positive beneficial outcomes.
- [00:19:18.750]In fact, First Five Nebraska
- [00:19:20.277]and the University of Nebraska Bureau of Business Research,
- [00:19:24.360]we conducted a study called the Bottom Line Study
- [00:19:26.850]and we were able to find that there is,
- [00:19:30.150]with adequate childcare in Nebraska,
- [00:19:32.670]that there would be positive financial benefits
- [00:19:35.970]not only to our working parents,
- [00:19:38.040]but also to businesses,
- [00:19:40.050]and then also, ultimately, to the state of Nebraska.
- [00:19:42.960]Because currently, those three,
- [00:19:45.360]the working parents, the businesses, and the state,
- [00:19:47.610]are seeing the negative benefit due to inadequate childcare.
- [00:19:52.500]And that's what our Bottom Line Study showed.
- [00:19:55.170]Do you remember any of the numbers from that study
- [00:19:57.750]about some of the benefits?
- [00:19:59.670]Why, yes, I do!
- [00:20:01.275](Emily laughing)
- [00:20:02.190]With the bottom line study, what was realized is, again,
- [00:20:06.360]that there was really an effect on three different avenues.
- [00:20:11.250]Number one was the effect on working parents,
- [00:20:13.260]and this is due direct annual impact
- [00:20:16.050]of inadequate childcare options.
- [00:20:18.000]The total direct losses was $489 million annually,
- [00:20:23.730]489 million.
- [00:20:25.560]And that, again, that's because when parents
- [00:20:28.680]can't access a provider,
- [00:20:30.870]they may drop out of the workforce
- [00:20:32.340]or that would lead to absenteeism.
- [00:20:35.190]They may turn down a job, they may lose their job,
- [00:20:38.250]so there's turnover and job loss.
- [00:20:40.740]They may forego a promotion
- [00:20:42.150]because that promotion would have them working more hours
- [00:20:45.450]or working different hours
- [00:20:46.950]than what their childcare program could offer.
- [00:20:52.110]We were actually able to put a number to that.
- [00:20:54.240]That's $489 million lost to working parents.
- [00:20:58.650]Annually, right?
- [00:20:59.580]Annually, yes.
- [00:21:01.020]And so, again, when we start to think about productivity
- [00:21:04.200]and we start to talk about morale
- [00:21:05.970]and we start talking about the effect on business,
- [00:21:11.295]there's a loss, a direct annual impact loss of $234 million,
- [00:21:16.860]so we're starting to get some major numbers, here.
- [00:21:20.580]When working parents see a direct loss,
- [00:21:23.670]when businesses see a direct loss,
- [00:21:25.830]they're not able to pay in that corporate income tax
- [00:21:29.010]or the individual income tax.
- [00:21:30.330]And so, then we see a direct loss, then, on state revenues.
- [00:21:35.730]And so, we can look at those direct losses of $21 million.
- [00:21:40.980]So, when we add up all of those numbers,
- [00:21:43.830]it is nearly $745 million annually in direct losses.
- [00:21:49.680]But in economics
- [00:21:51.330]and in economic development cases,
- [00:21:53.010]there's such a thing as a multiplier effect,
- [00:21:55.590]which means that for every dollar
- [00:21:57.900]that I would spend in a community,
- [00:21:59.490]it stays in that community,
- [00:22:00.780]it rolls through that community.
- [00:22:02.610]It gets multiplied.
- [00:22:05.130]When we add on a multiplier effect
- [00:22:08.700]onto that $745 million,
- [00:22:11.370]we actually see that increase, then.
- [00:22:13.020]Because if parents aren't earning as much,
- [00:22:15.180]they're not going out and they're not buying a new car,
- [00:22:17.250]they're not buying the new TV,
- [00:22:19.592]they're not purchasing those goods and services.
- [00:22:22.200]And so, there's loss there as well.
- [00:22:25.080]Same thing with businesses.
- [00:22:26.610]They're not able to reinvest that dollars
- [00:22:28.690]into new, say, manufacturing equipment
- [00:22:31.860]or things of that sort.
- [00:22:33.270]So, we add all of that multiplied effect
- [00:22:36.570]with the direct losses,
- [00:22:38.100]and we're looking at a loss of 1.39 billion with a B.
- [00:22:47.340]And that's annually.
- [00:22:48.450]And I'll also add this.
- [00:22:50.370]Our study was from 2019.
- [00:22:52.470]This was before the pandemic.
- [00:22:54.690]This was before we've lost childcare providers.
- [00:23:00.000]We have seen childcare closures because of the pandemic.
- [00:23:03.780]So, we know that that number is really actually higher.
- [00:23:07.920]It's kinda scary.
- [00:23:09.030]It's very scary economically
- [00:23:11.070]and also thinking about all the families and businesses
- [00:23:13.740]that are directly impacted by this on a day-to-day basis.
- [00:23:17.610]Employers can't hire and retain their workers,
- [00:23:20.550]families can't afford to have two parents working,
- [00:23:23.430]and then that reduces their household budget.
- [00:23:26.070]So, it's scary all around at the state level,
- [00:23:28.740]and then at the micro level with families as well.
- [00:23:32.340]What additional policies, in your opinion,
- [00:23:34.350]do you think could be developed
- [00:23:36.000]to help ease this childcare crisis?
- [00:23:38.718]We know that we need more public-private partnerships.
- [00:23:41.700]And when I say that, I mean,
- [00:23:43.650]we would like to see more investment from the public side,
- [00:23:49.230]understanding that there's also a big key
- [00:23:53.709]that can be played from the private side,
- [00:23:56.910]from employers, from businesses.
- [00:23:59.310]Because what we are trying to illustrate
- [00:24:01.830]or what we're trying to show
- [00:24:03.030]is that if businesses and employers
- [00:24:05.550]made investments into early care and education,
- [00:24:09.120]they actually may come out money ahead
- [00:24:11.580]because there is a cost to hiring people.
- [00:24:15.060]There is a cost to recruiting people.
- [00:24:19.046]And so, what we're trying to say is,
- [00:24:20.790]if employers could retain that workforce,
- [00:24:24.060]that overall knowledge
- [00:24:25.230]that they they've gone through onboarding,
- [00:24:27.210]they've gone through all the training,
- [00:24:28.890]let's hold on to those workers
- [00:24:30.630]by maybe shifting or allocating
- [00:24:32.970]some of those other types of recruitment dollars
- [00:24:35.250]into family-friendly policies
- [00:24:37.170]and they may end up being money ahead.
- [00:24:39.900]From the public side,
- [00:24:41.370]we do recognize that that's a tough conversation
- [00:24:44.400]because parents of children in that age,
- [00:24:47.880]parents are always the most influential
- [00:24:50.670]and most important teacher of a child's life.
- [00:24:55.020]We're very cognizant of that balance
- [00:24:57.540]of being able to show that, yes,
- [00:25:00.180]families are the most important piece of that,
- [00:25:03.390]but when there are no other options,
- [00:25:05.790]that we do need to have a well-funded,
- [00:25:09.540]well-qualified, trained
- [00:25:11.730]early care and education landscape.
- [00:25:14.040]Philanthropy always will play an important piece to that,
- [00:25:17.880]so it's really a combination of all of those things
- [00:25:21.180]so that we can make, again,
- [00:25:23.280]a landscape of quality early childhood education.
- [00:25:26.430]Really, it almost sounds like everyone
- [00:25:28.920]recognizing that this is an issue,
- [00:25:30.810]everyone coming together and saying,
- [00:25:32.287]"We're gonna address this together,"
- [00:25:34.590]and put forth that funding to make it happen,
- [00:25:37.470]is what I'm hearing.
- [00:25:38.970]Funding can be a piece of that,
- [00:25:40.950]but I do think that there is also,
- [00:25:44.490]if you start to look at some of the regulatory things,
- [00:25:47.880]just being able to let's make sure
- [00:25:49.770]that all agencies, all businesses,
- [00:25:53.310]that they're communicating freely,
- [00:25:55.770]that they're streamlining efforts,
- [00:25:59.130]that they're building in efficiencies.
- [00:26:01.920]Because that's the other thing that we recognize
- [00:26:04.800]from that early childhood business standpoint
- [00:26:07.350]is timelines to open and the credentials of our workforce.
- [00:26:15.180]It's just gonna take,
- [00:26:16.290]it's gonna take a lot of coordination
- [00:26:19.380]and willingness to try and find solutions.
- [00:26:22.380]So, what can people do who want to help
- [00:26:25.260]and want to support teachers and providers
- [00:26:27.960]and others who are involved in early childhood?
- [00:26:30.360]What would you encourage them to do?
- [00:26:31.830]Well, there's a lot that can be done.
- [00:26:33.738]Tell me it all.
- [00:26:34.740]Tell you it all, okay.
- [00:26:36.812]Number one, when I'm out in communities, I hear,
- [00:26:40.747]"Well, I don't have any children in childcare, why,
- [00:26:44.220]this doesn't affect me, this doesn't bother me."
- [00:26:46.650]What I try to let them understand
- [00:26:49.200]or lead them down the path of understanding
- [00:26:51.900]is that everyone depends on someone
- [00:26:54.540]that depends on childcare.
- [00:26:56.040]It may be a few degrees separated from you,
- [00:26:59.250]but at some point,
- [00:27:00.780]you rely on someone that has to rely on childcare.
- [00:27:03.540]And that could be,
- [00:27:04.470]if I'm going into a medical appointment
- [00:27:06.540]and those doctors or nurses or a receptionist
- [00:27:10.890]or someone that's in the billing office,
- [00:27:14.070]they depend on it
- [00:27:15.300]and they're not able to be at work that day,
- [00:27:17.340]it's going to affect you somehow.
- [00:27:19.740]Same thing with our, say,
- [00:27:22.260]someone that works in a convenience store.
- [00:27:24.180]Throughout Nebraska, we see help wanted signs all the time.
- [00:27:28.560]We are always affected, especially since the pandemic,
- [00:27:32.550]are seeing, well, they're not open right now,
- [00:27:36.000]or the just the drive-through's open.
- [00:27:38.220]Because we hear, "Well, it's because no one wants to work."
- [00:27:41.010]There may be some truth to that,
- [00:27:42.960]but there may also be the same truth
- [00:27:45.120]that they couldn't come in
- [00:27:46.860]because they didn't have affordable,
- [00:27:48.390]accessible, available childcare.
- [00:27:50.730]That is what I always start out with
- [00:27:52.710]in conversations with people,
- [00:27:54.270]and they start to understand,
- [00:27:55.807]"Oh, yes, I do rely on someone."
- [00:27:57.900]From there, we go to,
- [00:27:59.647]"Have you ever visited or talked to a childcare provider?"
- [00:28:04.800]You'll be very enlightened
- [00:28:06.450]if you even went and did a site visit.
- [00:28:09.450]Now, obviously, call ahead and make arrangements.
- [00:28:11.670]Don't just show up on their doorstep, okay?
- [00:28:12.904](Emily laughing)
- [00:28:13.860]Yes, they would not appreciate that.
- [00:28:16.140]They would not appreciate that.
- [00:28:18.360]But to even just have a conversation with them.
- [00:28:20.580]And when I talk to businesses and when I talk to employers
- [00:28:24.780]and help them understand that our childcare professionals
- [00:28:28.020]are business people themselves.
- [00:28:30.930]They are CEOs.
- [00:28:33.060]They are that small business professional.
- [00:28:36.840]They just happen to be in the childcare business,
- [00:28:38.910]whereas someone else might be in the insurance business
- [00:28:42.060]or in a manufacturing business.
- [00:28:43.920]Our childcare providers
- [00:28:45.060]are absolutely business professionals
- [00:28:47.850]because they worry about the same things
- [00:28:50.190]that other businesses worry about.
- [00:28:51.750]They worry about their bottom line.
- [00:28:53.400]They worry about utilities, insurance,
- [00:28:56.430]all of those same things.
- [00:28:58.110]And if a person did make a visit, a site visit,
- [00:29:02.610]or had a conversation with a childcare provider
- [00:29:04.560]and were able to just talk about those same struggles,
- [00:29:08.550]you'll understand that, yes,
- [00:29:09.540]they absolutely are a business.
- [00:29:11.280]Okay, so we recognize that we depend on them.
- [00:29:14.100]We recognize that they're a business.
- [00:29:16.380]And so, let's start now talking about
- [00:29:20.010]how we can advocate for those businesses.
- [00:29:23.310]Really, it's just like any kind of advocacy
- [00:29:26.670]for anything else.
- [00:29:29.520]We can start on a local level.
- [00:29:31.170]We can find a group or join a group or form a group
- [00:29:35.010]that becomes champions
- [00:29:37.140]of the childcare businesses in their local community.
- [00:29:41.130]We can encourage those childcare professionals
- [00:29:44.280]to become members of their Chamber of Commerce
- [00:29:46.260]or their economic development organization,
- [00:29:48.120]or vice versa, have those chambers
- [00:29:50.160]or economic development organizations reach out
- [00:29:52.920]and ask them to be a part of their decision-making process.
- [00:29:57.720]From that local advocacy, then,
- [00:29:59.760]for the childcare professionals,
- [00:30:03.180]from there, yes, absolutely.
- [00:30:05.250]We always want for communities to feel that they,
- [00:30:10.440]we encourage them to be in contact
- [00:30:13.290]with their state senator, the state senator's office.
- [00:30:17.250]Because we can, as a policy organization,
- [00:30:21.480]we can talk to the legislature,
- [00:30:24.090]we can talk to agencies,
- [00:30:25.440]we can talk to the senators all the time.
- [00:30:28.470]But at the end of the day,
- [00:30:29.790]they want to hear from their constituents.
- [00:30:32.820]They want to hear what is going on in their local community.
- [00:30:36.600]They wanna hear about the struggles
- [00:30:37.920]or they wanna hear about the good news stories,
- [00:30:41.760]what is happening in their district.
- [00:30:45.030]And so, we always encourage that.
- [00:30:46.770]And then, same thing with the federal delegation
- [00:30:49.800]to be able to send emails, write letters,
- [00:30:52.950]have phone calls to the federal delegation and their staff.
- [00:30:59.070]We'll always encourage that.
- [00:31:00.600]In fact, one of the things
- [00:31:02.850]that we do at First Five Nebraska
- [00:31:04.560]was we have what's called our Policy Leadership Academy.
- [00:31:08.220]And with that, it's an application-based program
- [00:31:12.330]that helps guide, helps train,
- [00:31:16.590]helps support potential advocates
- [00:31:20.070]or people that want to learn more
- [00:31:22.020]about being able to advocate
- [00:31:23.730]for early childhood education and care.
- [00:31:26.880]And so, there's classes that,
- [00:31:30.180]well, we say classes.
- [00:31:31.380]They're more like workshops
- [00:31:32.610]where we can all talk about how to become better leaders,
- [00:31:35.940]how to become better advocates in our state.
- [00:31:38.280]So, that's really exciting.
- [00:31:39.150]We're gonna be starting our new class up here in October.
- [00:31:42.930]Go through that process
- [00:31:43.980]and then have a graduation and a capstone project
- [00:31:47.910]and all of that.
- [00:31:49.050]You're saying that that class
- [00:31:50.430]is gonna start up here in October?
- [00:31:51.990]Yes.
- [00:31:52.830]Do you already have people selected for the class-
- [00:31:54.944]We do.
- [00:31:55.777]Okay. Yes, we do.
- [00:31:56.640]Our application process,
- [00:31:58.770]I mean, it starts in June of the year, June.
- [00:32:04.620]Our current, our typical class is 25 participants
- [00:32:08.910]and we get a number of applications.
- [00:32:12.780]And so, it's a really great program.
- [00:32:15.170]It really does sound, a really neat program.
- [00:32:17.460]So, applications are always due in June?
- [00:32:20.220]Yes. Okay.
- [00:32:21.240]And we would find that on the First Five Nebraska website,
- [00:32:25.140]or where would they find that? Yes, they would, yes,
- [00:32:27.180]at firstfivenebraska.org, all spelled out.
- [00:32:30.090]Perfect, I will do some diving onto your website
- [00:32:33.060]to find where that is at,
- [00:32:34.560]and then we'll put it in the show notes,
- [00:32:35.850]so if people are interested in the future
- [00:32:37.860]and they're listening and they-
- [00:32:38.693]And the other great thing
- [00:32:40.140]is we talk about policy on our website.
- [00:32:42.540]We have our bill tracker.
- [00:32:44.250]And so, when the session begins,
- [00:32:46.530]I mean, you can look back and see,
- [00:32:48.330]you can look back and see from the last legislative session
- [00:32:52.530]what type of bills were early childhood education
- [00:32:56.040]or maternal wellness or child safety.
- [00:32:58.500]All of those things you'll see
- [00:32:59.970]are where they ended up or what happened with them.
- [00:33:02.640]And then, we always track those types of bills.
- [00:33:06.270]And so, for next session,
- [00:33:07.470]it'll repopulate with our information.
- [00:33:10.830]So, that's another good way for people
- [00:33:12.300]to stay informed about what's going on
- [00:33:14.607]and the recommendations that you have, yes.
- [00:33:17.130]Or even better,
- [00:33:18.060]sign up for the First Five Nebraska newsletter
- [00:33:20.520]and you'll receive all that in your monthly inbox.
- [00:33:23.220]There you go, yeah, that way you can stay informed-
- [00:33:25.098]Or quarterly inbox.
- [00:33:25.931]All the time, which is good.
- [00:33:27.630]I did have another question for you.
- [00:33:30.240]You talked about forming a group in their local community
- [00:33:33.030]and setting up an advocacy group
- [00:33:37.140]for early childhood care and education.
- [00:33:40.500]What would you tell people if they don't feel qualified
- [00:33:44.820]to start this movement in their community?
- [00:33:49.020]They don't feel like they know enough
- [00:33:50.730]about early childhood and education,
- [00:33:53.220]what would you tell them?
- [00:33:54.313]I would say, I would tell them
- [00:33:56.670]just them feeling that way makes them
- [00:34:01.320]ideally situated to do that
- [00:34:03.900]because they're gonna have that thirst for knowledge,
- [00:34:06.180]the thirst for wanting to understand it further, right?
- [00:34:10.410]But there's some self-awareness there
- [00:34:12.060]that they're going in not knowing all the answers,
- [00:34:15.870]that they're going in not having preconceived notions
- [00:34:19.290]of what solutions are.
- [00:34:21.330]And I think that's a really big key to it
- [00:34:24.210]because our childcare industry, our childcare model
- [00:34:28.230]is not something that can be fixed
- [00:34:30.900]in a day, in a month, in, really, in a year.
- [00:34:34.980]I mean, it's going to take multiple attempts
- [00:34:38.910]at different strategies.
- [00:34:41.460]What works in one community
- [00:34:43.050]will not work in a different community.
- [00:34:45.570]And so, if they're feeling like they're not qualified,
- [00:34:48.450]then they're absolutely qualified
- [00:34:50.850]because they can go through
- [00:34:53.100]this kind of self-exploration or self-discovery
- [00:34:57.090]or group discovery as part of a committee
- [00:35:01.050]or as part of a advocacy group.
- [00:35:02.910]I think that'd be really refreshing, actually, seeing,
- [00:35:06.450]having a group that's like,
- [00:35:08.440]"We know we need to do something.
- [00:35:12.210]We recognize that.
- [00:35:13.200]We don't know where to go, we don't know what to do."
- [00:35:15.720]It's like, well, yeah.
- [00:35:16.730]Well, then, that means that we can do
- [00:35:18.660]anything and everything.
- [00:35:19.950]That is so refreshing to hear,
- [00:35:21.480]and I'm sure for people who are listening who feel that way,
- [00:35:24.690]that really relieves them.
- [00:35:27.990]It's kind of like, don't let your fear
- [00:35:30.330]or your fear of not being perfect keep you from trying,
- [00:35:35.040]because you actually might be the perfect person to do that.
- [00:35:38.700]You don't know until you try.
- [00:35:40.650]Right. Yeah, absolutely.
- [00:35:42.330]Okay, last question for you, Mike, is,
- [00:35:44.490]how can people stay informed and involved
- [00:35:47.160]with what is happening legislatively with early childhood?
- [00:35:50.760]Well, go to our website, firstfivenebraska.org.
- [00:35:55.650]Look for our bill tracker.
- [00:35:57.720]Sign up for our newsletter.
- [00:35:59.970]You will see everything early childhood
- [00:36:03.570]that is happening legislatively.
- [00:36:06.540]Awesome, sounds like a good way
- [00:36:07.710]to stay informed and involved
- [00:36:09.330]in what's going on legislatively
- [00:36:11.130]at the state level with early childhood in Nebraska.
- [00:36:14.250]Thanks so much for your time with me today, Mike.
- [00:36:16.680]Appreciate everything you've shared
- [00:36:18.480]and shared about the First Five Nebraska organization.
- [00:36:21.780]Absolutely, thank you. Awesome.
- [00:36:23.940]Up next is a Nebraska youngster
- [00:36:26.040]describing what they like about Halloween.
- [00:36:28.680]Here you go.
- [00:36:30.665]I really like Summer
- [00:36:33.810]and Halloween and Christmas.
- [00:36:39.240]I love Halloween, too.
- [00:36:41.220]It's one of my favorite holidays.
- [00:36:43.620]What do you like about Halloween?
- [00:36:45.540]I like that we get candy about it.
- [00:36:51.300]Do you dress up?
- [00:36:52.380]One time, I dressed up like Anna.
- [00:36:55.260]What do you like about Anna?
- [00:36:57.840]Well, she doesn't freeze people
- [00:37:01.380]because it would be rude to freeze someone
- [00:37:06.750]that didn't even do anything to you.
- [00:37:09.653](upbeat music)
- [00:37:11.730]This has been an episode of "The Good Life in Early Life",
- [00:37:15.253]a Nebraska Extension Early Childhood production
- [00:37:17.790]with your host, Emily Manning.
- [00:37:19.320]For more information on Early Childhood,
- [00:37:21.180]check out our website at child.unl.edu.
- [00:37:24.120]If you like the show,
- [00:37:25.050]subscribe and tell your friends to listen.
- [00:37:26.940]The show production team is Emily Manning,
- [00:37:29.100]Dr. Holly Hatton, Ingrid Lindal, Erin Kampbell,
- [00:37:32.460]Linda Reddish, Kim Wellsandt, Katie Krause, & LaDonna Werth.
- [00:37:36.120]See you next time, and thanks for listening.
- [00:37:38.640]Bye-bye.
- [00:37:39.699](upbeat music)
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