Student Voices Panel OER 2023

Brad Severa Author

04/26/2023 Added

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A panel of students from each NU campus discuss their experiences with affordable textbooks. Moderated by Dr. Kim Carlson from UNK.

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[00:00:01.260]Well, welcome to our second presentation
[00:00:04.740]of our NUOER Week this week
[00:00:07.260]across all four of our campuses.
[00:00:09.780]We are excited that you have joined.
[00:00:12.600]My name is Jane Petersen,
[00:00:14.640]and I'm part of the OER group
[00:00:16.320]here at the University of Nebraska Kearney.
[00:00:19.350]And I think this is the best day of all,
[00:00:21.570]because today we have four student panelists
[00:00:25.140]from each of our campuses
[00:00:27.420]that're going to share with us
[00:00:29.910]what OER has meant to them.
[00:00:33.240]And so, I'm gonna introduce our group, here.
[00:00:36.510]First of all, we have Dr. Kim Carlson from UNK,
[00:00:40.470]and she'll add some more information about herself
[00:00:43.530]once we get started.
[00:00:44.550]She is going to be our facilitator.
[00:00:47.100]Dr. Kim Carlson has been part of our UNKOER program
[00:00:51.450]since we began in 2015.
[00:00:55.470]The other thing I wanna just share real quick
[00:00:57.270]before I introduce our panelist
[00:00:58.800]is that between our four campuses,
[00:01:01.710]we have saved our students over $15 million,
[00:01:06.960]hey guys, that's a big number,
[00:01:08.760]in textbook costs,
[00:01:09.930]and we are really excited about that.
[00:01:13.080]And so, now I'm gonna get it started
[00:01:14.700]for what you all are here for.
[00:01:16.950]Each of our student panelists
[00:01:18.450]is going to introduce themselves.
[00:01:20.730]And then once we've done that,
[00:01:22.140]Kim, I'm gonna have you just take it away.
[00:01:25.740]So thank you again for joining us.
[00:01:30.240]Hi everyone, my name is Renata Valquier Chavez.
[00:01:32.940]I'm affiliated with UNO,
[00:01:34.560]and I'm getting my master's degree
[00:01:36.180]in community and regional planning.
[00:01:37.620]I'm in my second year,
[00:01:38.550]so I graduate in a few weeks.
[00:01:40.710]And a little fun fact about myself,
[00:01:43.440]I can speak three languages.
[00:01:45.930]And what's kinda fun about that
[00:01:47.340]is I am Spanish, English, and French.
[00:01:52.020]French and Spanish're similar,
[00:01:53.520]so sometimes I just mush the two together
[00:01:55.770]and I get by. (chuckles)
[00:02:00.930]Hi everyone, my name's Amara Bernelson.
[00:02:02.310]I'm a freshman music education major
[00:02:05.520]and I also play the double bass,
[00:02:07.470]which is kinda cool.
[00:02:09.120]Although I am a music education major,
[00:02:10.860]my true dream is to be a composer.
[00:02:13.050]I'm thinking about composing
[00:02:14.310]for movies, or video games, or both.
[00:02:18.480]And I also want to do some, like,
[00:02:20.400]symphonies or concertos on the side to like...
[00:02:24.137]'Cause I don't know, that's just always been my dream, so...
[00:02:30.300]Hi everyone, I'm Abby Guadeimer,
[00:02:32.051]and I'm at UNMC in my first year of pharmacy school.
[00:02:36.750]Little fun fact about me is I did grow up at a farm.
[00:02:40.590]And despite that, my dad never had livestock
[00:02:43.770]and we never had, like, dogs or cats or anything.
[00:02:46.740]So kinda shocking,
[00:02:47.880]considering I grew up rurally.
[00:02:53.596]Hi, I'm Zack Zavani.
[00:02:54.870]I'm majoring in chemistry,
[00:02:56.490]comprehensive health science emphasis,
[00:02:58.140]which is like a pre-medicine major.
[00:03:00.270]I'm a senior at UNK, so I'll be graduating May 19th.
[00:03:04.230]A fun fact about me
[00:03:05.070]is my dad was actually the mayor
[00:03:07.260]of the small town that I'm from,
[00:03:09.060]which is not that big of an accomplishment
[00:03:10.470]'cause there's, like, 80 people there.
[00:03:12.000]But he was the mayor of that for like, 12 years, so yeah.
[00:03:15.330]And I'm gonna turn it back over to Kim.
[00:03:18.660]And Kim, I just wanna share with the group
[00:03:20.520]thank you, everybody on the panel.
[00:03:22.950]If you have any questions,
[00:03:24.360]feel free to add them to the chat.
[00:03:26.430]So take it away, Kim.
[00:03:28.260]Great, well, thank you everybody
[00:03:30.060]for joining us here today.
[00:03:31.800]These're the fun panels to do,
[00:03:33.180]when you get to interact with students.
[00:03:35.520]So, we are really interested
[00:03:38.190]in knowing what and understanding
[00:03:41.040]what students think about OER.
[00:03:43.470]So I'm gonna ask a question and, you know,
[00:03:46.950]any one of you that wants to answer,
[00:03:49.080]you know, just, you guys can go ahead
[00:03:49.920]and take it away, all right?
[00:03:52.740]So my first question,
[00:03:54.330]and maybe all of you have something to say about this,
[00:03:56.820]but how does the cost of course materials
[00:03:59.070]impact your long-term and short-term educational plans?
[00:04:08.130]And you guys can just jump
[00:04:09.480]in. All right, well,
[00:04:10.780]I'll do it.
[00:04:11.613]I think the primary way is you have to plan
[00:04:15.540]more work in addition to your school.
[00:04:18.540]You know, being a college student
[00:04:19.740]and trying to get good grades and stuff like that,
[00:04:21.480]as well as the involvement you do on campus,
[00:04:23.790]a lot of times is more work than, almost, a full-time job.
[00:04:27.900]And when you know that your course materials
[00:04:30.120]and the cost of education is another barrier
[00:04:32.700]in addition to the work that you're just doing
[00:04:34.710]in the classroom,
[00:04:36.120]you have to plan, you know, to work.
[00:04:39.000]Whether that's, you know, part-time, full-time,
[00:04:41.070]whatever you can do,
[00:04:42.330]even on-campus jobs, you know,
[00:04:44.010]work-study, those kinda things.
[00:04:45.570]And it does make school more difficult,
[00:04:47.940]to find those times
[00:04:48.900]and to, you know, balance your time
[00:04:50.550]enough to be able to work those jobs.
[00:04:52.350]So it can make things a lot more challenging
[00:04:54.480]and it can be, you know, quite a large barrier,
[00:04:56.640]I think, to overcome.
[00:05:00.270]Definitely, when I think
[00:05:01.830]about the cost of course materials
[00:05:03.570]and say, like, a planned graduation date,
[00:05:07.440]if a class that's only offered in the fall
[00:05:09.990]is, say, the additional materials I have to buy for it
[00:05:13.320]are exceeding my scholarship funds
[00:05:15.840]and my budget outside of that,
[00:05:18.270]I might consider, like,
[00:05:19.103]"Okay, I can't afford this course right now
[00:05:21.030]but I can afford it next semester,"
[00:05:22.800]I'll take it next semester.
[00:05:24.300]But a lot of times,
[00:05:25.133]courses are only offered once a year.
[00:05:27.180]So I would have to wait a whole year
[00:05:29.250]to sign up for this course,
[00:05:30.750]just because I knew I couldn't afford
[00:05:32.880]the course materials at that time.
[00:05:34.860]So instead of graduating, say,
[00:05:37.590]in May, in spring of 2022,
[00:05:41.790]I'd have to wait until fall of 2023
[00:05:46.740]because I needed to wait to get that required course in.
[00:05:49.980]So it just...
[00:05:52.080]For me, I see it more as, like, a long-term effect
[00:05:54.090]of, okay, I can't start my career
[00:05:56.460]until I finish this degree,
[00:05:57.780]and these course materials could hold me back from that.
[00:06:06.390]Okay, those're great answers.
[00:06:08.490]And it's unfortunate, right,
[00:06:10.680]that we have students out there that, you know,
[00:06:13.297]"I can't take this course
[00:06:14.130]'cause this book is gonna cost me $350,"
[00:06:16.950]you know, "but I have to have the course to graduate."
[00:06:18.750]So hopefully all of our campuses
[00:06:21.180]are really working hard to,
[00:06:23.040]and I know we are,
[00:06:23.880]to try to lessen that for our students at burden.
[00:06:27.210]So with that in mind,
[00:06:29.790]do you guys consistently get the information you need
[00:06:33.360]about course material costs of any given class
[00:06:37.080]at a given time?
[00:06:38.880]Is this enough time for you to decide
[00:06:40.920]what classes to enroll in each term?
[00:06:43.740]So, you know,
[00:06:44.820]what's your experience with enrolling in classes
[00:06:47.075]that're OER, not EOR,
[00:06:48.750]how much the textbook costs're gonna be?
[00:06:56.610]Well, I'll speak on behalf of UNK.
[00:06:59.460]I think that we've done,
[00:07:01.920]largely thanks to Dr. Carlson,
[00:07:04.050]we've done a really good job
[00:07:05.190]in making OER, you know, kind of known to students.
[00:07:08.940]At least when they're registering
[00:07:10.110]for classes in MyBLUE.
[00:07:12.090]That being said,
[00:07:13.260]I would think that I kind of only know about it
[00:07:15.210]due to my involvement in student government in the past.
[00:07:17.340]I think that there's a lot of students who come into campus
[00:07:19.710]and don't even know that these things exist
[00:07:21.990]and don't really look for classes like this,
[00:07:24.210]even though I think it would be a great fit
[00:07:27.330]for most students.
[00:07:28.230]I think there's very few times
[00:07:30.180]where OER is not better
[00:07:31.590]than the, maybe more, like, traditional route.
[00:07:34.290]And so, although UNK, I would say,
[00:07:35.880]has done a good job,
[00:07:37.080]you know, when you're actually looking
[00:07:38.040]at registering for classes,
[00:07:39.720]it maybe could still do more
[00:07:42.300]when it comes to, like,
[00:07:43.133]advertising it to the general student population.
[00:07:46.950]And when it comes to, like, enrolling in classes,
[00:07:49.110]I think a lot of times it's more like,
[00:07:50.737]"Well, this's what I need for my major.
[00:07:52.380]Like, I really don't have a choice."
[00:07:53.910]You're not even necessarily concerned about it.
[00:07:55.770]So when the fees, and the books, and all that stuff
[00:07:57.900]start coming in,
[00:07:59.128]you know, you just have to take it in stride
[00:08:01.350]'cause you really have no choice.
[00:08:02.970]And so, I think OER just does a,
[00:08:04.107]you know, good job about,
[00:08:05.490]you know, kind of reducing the stress involved
[00:08:07.470]in that whole process.
[00:08:11.880]And to like, piggyback off of that, kind of,
[00:08:13.650]at UNL, like, when you sign up your classes,
[00:08:16.560]they have, like, a list of books that you'll need.
[00:08:18.990]I've had a couple of classes
[00:08:20.220]that don't tell you what they...
[00:08:22.710]They say, like, "No books're required."
[00:08:25.170]And I'm like, "Oh, okay cool, I don't need a book."
[00:08:27.120]And then the day of the class
[00:08:29.640]they're like, "Oh, you have to buy this $75 book,"
[00:08:32.580]then like, "I don't have this money!"
[00:08:34.740]So I wish that sometimes the communication
[00:08:37.140]be a little bit better.
[00:08:38.100]But it might just be a music sort of thing,
[00:08:41.130]like, just musicians being unorganized or something.
[00:08:46.710]I was gonna pop in too and say
[00:08:49.350]starting grad school it looked a little bit differently,
[00:08:51.270]because we have a lot of resources
[00:08:53.010]provided on iPads now, at least through pharmacy school.
[00:08:56.640]They provide an iPad when you start school,
[00:08:59.130]so everything is provided, for the most part,
[00:09:02.040]that you need.
[00:09:02.873]And so, anything additional is kinda just to supplement
[00:09:05.190]your education, I guess,
[00:09:06.810]and provide, like, learning resources.
[00:09:09.960]Like, a big one that sticks out in my mind
[00:09:11.610]that's been helpful with like, sketchy micro
[00:09:14.700]or like, sketchy pharmacology,
[00:09:16.050]it's just a website
[00:09:17.970]that you have to do
[00:09:18.900]like, a membership to to get access and things.
[00:09:21.930]But other than that,
[00:09:23.050]like, everything has been upfront
[00:09:24.840]and we've had a really good idea
[00:09:25.980]of what to expect cost-wise.
[00:09:30.660]I would agree with what a lot of what was said
[00:09:33.300]if there was ever,
[00:09:34.590]and if when I would sign up for these classes,
[00:09:38.310]a lot of times it would tell me upfront
[00:09:42.270]what to expect.
[00:09:43.470]And if there was, say,
[00:09:45.210]a last-minute edition of a book,
[00:09:47.250]usually the professors would offer
[00:09:48.840]as much resources as they can,
[00:09:50.400]whether it's having a book on hand
[00:09:52.680]that you can come into their office to use
[00:09:55.290]if you don't want to buy the book yourself,
[00:09:57.990]or getting their own materials
[00:10:01.260]and then having that available,
[00:10:02.940]stay on canvas throughout the year,
[00:10:04.830]and that's always very helpful.
[00:10:06.360]And a lot of students can usually get a way
[00:10:08.340]of just not buying the book.
[00:10:09.930]Or I've been in situations
[00:10:11.760]before where I have a group of eight people
[00:10:14.070]and we're like, "Okay, we're gonna split this book
[00:10:15.900]between the eight of us
[00:10:17.250]and it's gonna be great,"
[00:10:18.420]because we know we're not gonna use this book,
[00:10:20.370]maybe, two years from now.
[00:10:21.510]So we'd rather just share the book.
[00:10:25.622]Those're great answers, really great answers.
[00:10:29.160]Amara, I wanna tell you, it's not just you.
[00:10:31.260]My son is a seven-through-12 social sciences teaching major
[00:10:34.800]and just yesterday came and told me
[00:10:37.050]that his teacher told him on Monday
[00:10:39.030]that they now needed another book.
[00:10:41.130]School ends in three and a half weeks.
[00:10:42.540]So I just had to buy him another book
[00:10:45.180]so he could do his, and at this point what do you do?
[00:10:47.610]You gotta have the book, right, to finish the class.
[00:10:49.440]So it's not just music people,
[00:10:51.030]it is (laughing) other people also.
[00:10:53.070]And Abby, that's wonderful that you get an iPad
[00:10:55.890]with all your books loaded on it.
[00:10:57.840]I'm hoping all the other campuses
[00:10:59.730]get up to that level, here,
[00:11:02.520]in the next, you know, let's say 10 years,
[00:11:04.740]because things move a little bit slower sometimes.
[00:11:06.900]That's wonderful, I would love that
[00:11:08.850]for everybody, that's great.
[00:11:11.310]'Kay, so with that,
[00:11:13.380]can you guys tell me about your experiences
[00:11:15.630]with OER courses?
[00:11:17.070]Have they made a difference in your life,
[00:11:20.340]your ability to juggle the demands of school?
[00:11:23.040]I mean, how do they fit in with what you're doing?
[00:11:27.150]I feel like the class is a lot more organized in general,
[00:11:30.720]'cause I was with Dr. Moore,
[00:11:33.783]he taught my like,
[00:11:36.090]kind of a brief history of music class.
[00:11:38.940]And also, I'm in a music technology class with him now,
[00:11:41.640]and he wrote a book for both of those classes
[00:11:44.340]and the book was very much tailored
[00:11:46.980]to how the class was organized.
[00:11:48.990]Each chapter would be, like, a week or two.
[00:11:51.390]So that was always really nice,
[00:11:52.920]because in books that have, like,
[00:11:55.620]weren't written by the instructor,
[00:11:57.810]they're just like, chapters.
[00:11:59.490]And then like, you have to flip the pages
[00:12:01.710]and go to all these...
[00:12:03.870]Half the book might not even be useful
[00:12:05.490]to the course either.
[00:12:06.630]So it's just a bunch of paper
[00:12:09.270]that just goes to waste, essentially.
[00:12:11.460]So it was really nice in Dr. Moore's classes
[00:12:15.570]to have a sort of more tailored book,
[00:12:19.200]and everything was just very relevant to the class.
[00:12:27.990]I'm gonna go next,
[00:12:28.823]just because I feel, like,
[00:12:30.420]passionate about this class I took.
[00:12:31.950]It was "Intro to Drug Information".
[00:12:33.810]And through UNC'S library we have access
[00:12:37.050]to like, PubMed, which you can use
[00:12:38.900]to like, cite papers and everything,
[00:12:40.560]and like, Lexicomp, Clinical Pharmacology,
[00:12:44.340]which is all just, like,
[00:12:45.570]drug-specific resources to see,
[00:12:47.640]like, drug interactions, allergies,
[00:12:51.120]which is all fantastic.
[00:12:52.560]But if you don't know how to use it
[00:12:53.850]it can go to waste really quickly.
[00:12:55.890]And so, this course was so helpful.
[00:12:57.810]Our professor was Cynthia Schmidt,
[00:13:00.270]and she wrote an OER which pertained
[00:13:03.330]to just how to navigate it,
[00:13:05.070]and it was so helpful
[00:13:05.970]because you could do it on your own time,
[00:13:08.160]which allowed a lot of my peers to like,
[00:13:11.100]work part-time as like, pharmacist interns,
[00:13:13.350]which is fantastic.
[00:13:14.478]And just really helped fit into our schedule
[00:13:17.160]and learn material as we needed.
[00:13:24.540]Yeah, I took Gen Chem.
[00:13:26.160]It was OpenStax, and it had two...
[00:13:28.470]Both semesters were OER,
[00:13:30.480]so the textbook was free, and it was awesome.
[00:13:33.840]I mean, not having to worry about, like,
[00:13:35.550]the $200 textbooks that often,
[00:13:37.440]you know, go with these classes.
[00:13:39.984]And you know, I think a lot of times
[00:13:41.280]the books're supplemental.
[00:13:42.300]Like, you don't really need them.
[00:13:44.220]Even if the teachers say they're required,
[00:13:47.070]they're loosely required, I would say.
[00:13:48.960]And so, when you don't have to worry
[00:13:50.190]about, you know, like,
[00:13:53.220]do I get to do these practice problems,
[00:13:54.930]you know, do I need to do this to succeed?
[00:13:56.550]It's like, you know, just, you're not as worried,
[00:13:59.250]especially when you're like,
[00:14:00.720]a really young person like a freshman.
[00:14:02.400]You don't really know much of anything about college,
[00:14:04.770]and to be able to just not worry
[00:14:07.290]about, you know, getting everything you need
[00:14:10.590]was really awesome.
[00:14:15.030]That reminds me of a time when I was a freshman,
[00:14:16.560]I was going into my biology class
[00:14:19.350]and I bought a book that was three years older,
[00:14:22.110]so it didn't have the updated problem sets
[00:14:24.840]that we would be doing.
[00:14:25.800]And I just had this big,
[00:14:27.240]you know, just a big hard copy of a book that I never used.
[00:14:31.200]But later on when I had a genetics course
[00:14:34.290]that did have a,
[00:14:36.120]that used OER, and it was really great
[00:14:38.460]because I knew that I could trust it
[00:14:40.530]in the sense that it was updated,
[00:14:42.540]and I didn't have to worry about scouring the bookstore
[00:14:45.390]to make sure like, okay, when was this last updated?
[00:14:50.670]Great answers once again.
[00:14:53.220]Abby, make sure you tell the teacher of that class
[00:14:56.010]that you're so passionate about,
[00:14:57.420]you make sure you tell them that,
[00:14:58.590]'cause that'll make that teacher's day, I promise you.
[00:15:02.370]So I guess, this's a question that wasn't on the list,
[00:15:05.100]but it made me think of this
[00:15:06.060]while you all were talking.
[00:15:07.380]So with OER, OER means that a book
[00:15:11.550]or the materials for class,
[00:15:13.020]not including lab fees and things for classes,
[00:15:15.510]unfortunately that's hard to get rid of,
[00:15:19.170]is gonna be $40 or less.
[00:15:21.660]Do you feel that that number,
[00:15:23.340]that $40 or less is a reasonable number,
[00:15:29.040]a reasonable price tag for the materials for your class?
[00:15:41.160]I feel like, I don't know,
[00:15:43.350]yeah, $40 might even be kind of high for me.
[00:15:47.504]I don't know, I'm more of a...
[00:15:48.540]I think $30 or less is better,
[00:15:50.850]but once it gets over $40, I'm like,
[00:15:54.397]"No, how many hours of work is that already?"
[00:15:57.630]I'm not very good at math,
[00:15:58.740]that's why I'm a music major.
[00:16:00.060]But that's like, four hours of work
[00:16:03.060]if you just get paid $10 an hour,
[00:16:06.570]that's not great at all. (laughs)
[00:16:10.740]So it's really nice to just have it free.
[00:16:13.907]'Cause I mean, who doesn't like extra money?
[00:16:20.430]Yeah, I mean, like $40 I...
[00:16:22.890]So like, with labs and stuff,
[00:16:25.530]I would love if a lot of my classes were $40 only.
[00:16:28.980]I mean, you know, like,
[00:16:29.820]when you're getting organic textbooks
[00:16:31.170]and those're things that I would say you kinda need
[00:16:34.470]for some of those classes.
[00:16:35.370]It's like, that you're gonna be paying $200
[00:16:38.190]and it's just it is what it is.
[00:16:41.220]And so, I think we still have
[00:16:44.040]a lot of, you know, work to do in general.
[00:16:45.870]I mean, like, you know,
[00:16:46.703]we look at other countries and it's like, you know,
[00:16:49.320]money is not a barrier to education in any way,
[00:16:51.540]and we're way behind that in a lot of respects.
[00:16:53.730]And I would say that although $40
[00:16:55.950]is a good starting point,
[00:16:56.910]you know, I think maybe just even broadening the scope
[00:17:00.510]of what OER is, you know,
[00:17:02.160]applying it to more classes
[00:17:03.240]that it doesn't necessarily already exist
[00:17:04.620]for is just as important as driving that cost
[00:17:08.340]down at the end of the day.
[00:17:14.910]Go ahead, Renata.
[00:17:16.080]Gonna say, I really agree with what they've said.
[00:17:18.925]I feel like, I mean, I've been in school,
[00:17:20.190]now, for 6, 7 years,
[00:17:23.700]so I'm almost desensitized to it.
[00:17:25.800]I just know that okay,
[00:17:27.390]I'm gonna pay $300 for this textbook and it's fine.
[00:17:31.020]But I've also been lucky to go to UNO
[00:17:34.950]and have my family in Omaha
[00:17:36.360]so I didn't have to worry
[00:17:37.620]about thinking of like,
[00:17:38.707]"Okay, well, if it's $40,
[00:17:41.151]these're $40 I'm gonna use for class, this's great."
[00:17:43.680]But I could see it as students seeing as,
[00:17:46.087]"Okay, this's $40 I could use on gas
[00:17:48.480]so I can go visit my family."
[00:17:50.190]So a lot of times
[00:17:52.470]we're put in a place where,
[00:17:53.640]like, we know we have to pick this book,
[00:17:55.530]but if we didn't have to,
[00:17:56.640]we could do other things
[00:17:57.750]that could help our mental health instead,
[00:17:59.490]and other types of, like, self-care things
[00:18:01.230]that we didn't really realize
[00:18:02.520]that we would subconsciously just kinda throw out.
[00:18:10.320]You know, I didn't think about, you know,
[00:18:12.367]$40 is four hours of work at $10 an hour.
[00:18:15.547]You know, I guess I've been
[00:18:17.370]out of that kind of job for so long,
[00:18:20.040]'cause I've been salaried for a very long time.
[00:18:22.380]I didn't even think about that.
[00:18:23.490]But you know, that is a really great point,
[00:18:27.600]and I wrote it down 'cause I think we all need
[00:18:30.030]to think about that.
[00:18:31.260]My class that I teach,
[00:18:32.190]my main class is genetics,
[00:18:33.630]and the genetics textbook went up to $270.
[00:18:37.920]Science textbooks're really expensive,
[00:18:40.410]which those of you in the sciences know that.
[00:18:42.720]When it hit that point,
[00:18:44.730]excuse me, when it hit that point
[00:18:46.860]I said "Nope, we can't do this anymore."
[00:18:49.080]So I actually created my my own OER textbook
[00:18:52.350]that costs $39,
[00:18:53.397]and students have access to it for life.
[00:18:55.350]Zack was in the first class that I used that textbook in.
[00:18:59.040]Do you think, and it made me think
[00:19:00.930]because that semester was the first semester
[00:19:04.020]and this's my 20th year at UNK,
[00:19:05.730]that was the end of my 19th year when Zack took class.
[00:19:09.690]That was the first time in 19 years
[00:19:12.150]that I did not have anybody fail my class.
[00:19:15.780]Do you think that OER textbooks
[00:19:18.870]and the way that the classes are arranged
[00:19:20.700]because they're OER,
[00:19:22.290]do you think that that helps you with your grades,
[00:19:25.680]helps you academically?
[00:19:28.920]Well, I mean, I can obviously speak
[00:19:30.210]on that very genetics class.
[00:19:32.490]I would say that it's...
[00:19:34.380]I mean, when the teacher's, like,
[00:19:35.610]heavily involved in developing the textbook,
[00:19:37.230]I think it's, you know,
[00:19:38.340]and like, that was kinda mentioned earlier.
[00:19:41.700]You know, like when they really build that textbook
[00:19:45.120]and it really caters to the class
[00:19:47.160]and it's got problem sets that're similar
[00:19:48.690]to what the teacher is interested in, because...
[00:19:51.270]So I'm taking physical chemistry right now,
[00:19:52.650]and the class is insane to begin with.
[00:19:55.200]But it's like, all the problems in there that are assigned
[00:19:58.500]are like, nothing like what he's teaching us.
[00:20:01.080]They're like, completely different.
[00:20:02.640]And so, you know, you'll do these homeworks,
[00:20:04.037]you'll spend six hours doing this homework.
[00:20:06.450]And then you'll get to a quiz
[00:20:08.160]and you've never seen any of it before in your life,
[00:20:09.900]and you're like, "Well, that was a waste of six hours."
[00:20:11.700]So it's really awesome when they can go hand-in-hand
[00:20:14.940]and you can like, really supplement
[00:20:17.220]your education with the book
[00:20:18.510]because the teacher was involved in developing it.
[00:20:20.817]And so, that's what they care about.
[00:20:22.200]That's what they want you to know.
[00:20:23.550]And so, it's not like you gotta go
[00:20:25.590]and pick things out of these textbooks
[00:20:27.300]like, "Is this what my teacher cares about?
[00:20:29.220]Is it not?"
[00:20:30.053]It's like, "Well, this's definitely what they care about.
[00:20:32.100]It's following the order of the class."
[00:20:33.503]And so, I think it's just a lot easier
[00:20:35.160]organizationally and otherwise
[00:20:38.250]when it's set up that way.
[00:20:42.840]I think another helpful thing,
[00:20:44.070]at least in my experience with it,
[00:20:45.570]is there was like, online virtual quizzes
[00:20:48.090]that you could complete
[00:20:49.110]and kinda like, self-assess and test yourself.
[00:20:52.170]And so, that really helps you learn too,
[00:20:53.790]when it's interactive and more fun,
[00:20:57.270]I guess, I would consider it,
[00:20:58.560]than just sitting in a lecture
[00:21:00.180]and being fed a whole bunch of information
[00:21:03.270]and you're not really sure, like,
[00:21:04.290]what's important, what's gonna apply.
[00:21:11.700]Yeah, I have a class right now
[00:21:13.350]where we are working on ArcGIS,
[00:21:15.870]and the program doesn't have OER resources
[00:21:18.630]but they just have a lot of raw data
[00:21:20.490]out there that is accessible for free.
[00:21:23.160]And my professor has narrowed everything down
[00:21:26.730]where, you know, we can get the textbook if we want to,
[00:21:29.850]but he's taken pieces out
[00:21:31.890]so that way we can do problem sets
[00:21:35.460]that are tailored to what he knows that we need to learn.
[00:21:38.730]And there's something about having a flow
[00:21:42.450]of a textbook or textbook adjacent
[00:21:45.180]that the professor is really...
[00:21:46.830]If the professor is very well-versed in it,
[00:21:48.900]the students will be very,
[00:21:51.720]they'll be much more successful
[00:21:53.340]than they are of like, skimming through the books.
[00:21:54.930]Like, okay I can read,
[00:21:55.950]I don't need to read 20 pages of this chapter,
[00:21:58.290]suddenly skip ahead,
[00:21:59.370]but then you accidentally skip past something important.
[00:22:01.440]And this way,
[00:22:02.880]you know, you're not skipping anything
[00:22:04.950]or stressed about that.
[00:22:10.860]That's good to hear,
[00:22:11.700]because as you guys were all talking,
[00:22:14.130]I was thinking, "You know, we should make sure
[00:22:16.080]that we have these as sound bites and snippets
[00:22:18.930]that go out to all the faculty
[00:22:20.400]to know that that is the way that the students think.
[00:22:22.680]And I know from my class, that was the biggest problem.
[00:22:25.320]The flow was cut off,
[00:22:26.460]we were skipping from chapter three, to 13,
[00:22:28.880]to you know, all over the place,
[00:22:30.180]and I did not like the way that it went.
[00:22:31.980]And with the book that I created,
[00:22:34.800]it's all about the class.
[00:22:35.880]So thank you for that.
[00:22:37.740]I think every professor needs to hear that.
[00:22:41.280]So I want you to think about your experiences.
[00:22:43.710]So I'm sure you guys're all in classes that aren't OER,
[00:22:48.240]aren't $40 or less
[00:22:49.830]or have, you know, online parts to the class.
[00:22:54.630]How do those classes compare
[00:22:57.390]to your non-OER classes?
[00:23:11.880]Kinda like I touched on before,
[00:23:13.140]I would say it's a lot less engaging,
[00:23:14.670]and it's kinda just being drilled
[00:23:16.710]a whole bunch of information for an hour-long lecture,
[00:23:19.470]which can seem longer than it is.
[00:23:21.900]And so, that's just a big one that sticks out for me.
[00:23:28.150]Well, I think, like,
[00:23:29.700]a lot of times it'll be like,
[00:23:32.580]you know, they'll be discussing something out of a reading
[00:23:35.130]and you know, people're like,
[00:23:35.963]"Well, I'm saving money, I'm not getting this," or whatever.
[00:23:38.160]Like, "I'm just gonna find what I can
[00:23:39.750]on the internet about it."
[00:23:40.713]And, you know, there'll be just those moments
[00:23:42.480]where it's like the teacher's up there and saying,
[00:23:43.890]like, "What'd you guys think of this?"
[00:23:45.150]And nobody, like, really knows what to say
[00:23:47.190]because nobody's spending the money
[00:23:48.930]to like, you know, pay for this.
[00:23:50.970]So I think it's more, almost, like,
[00:23:53.520]awkward to a certain extent.
[00:23:54.840]Because, you know, people do try to kinda just skate by
[00:23:58.710]and not, you know, I think,
[00:24:00.390]probably impair their education
[00:24:01.620]due to the cost of it.
[00:24:02.453]And so, people, I mean, that's just what they'll do.
[00:24:05.547]And so, it's kind of, you know,
[00:24:07.530]there's less, yeah, like, kind of what was said,
[00:24:10.050]you know, engagement in the class
[00:24:11.280]because people can't even be engaged
[00:24:13.050]because they aren't paying for these textbooks.
[00:24:26.730]I've had a similar experience too.
[00:24:28.200]I think my OER courses are much more engaged
[00:24:31.620]because people, they just have more,
[00:24:33.870]they have access to the materials
[00:24:36.570]in a way that they're online,
[00:24:38.880]and they're everywhere with them.
[00:24:40.650]Like, I think in my experience...
[00:24:43.560]I've read textbooks on my phone,
[00:24:45.300]and I can't do that if it's a 300-page textbook
[00:24:49.380]that's a hard copy.
[00:24:50.760]So that is like a...
[00:24:52.830]That's an unexpected positive for me,
[00:24:55.110]'cause I know that,
[00:24:55.943]you know, I'm busy and I'm running around,
[00:24:57.390]but if I have a down five minutes
[00:25:00.180]I can pull out my textbook on my phone
[00:25:01.890]and I can catch up that way.
[00:25:04.050]So that's an unexpected positive.
[00:25:07.980]I also thought,
[00:25:08.850]I think it's a lot easier to communicate,
[00:25:11.820]like, inconsistencies with the book.
[00:25:14.500]Like, if something is wrong in the book,
[00:25:17.220]then you can just talk to the person
[00:25:18.870]who made the book right away,
[00:25:20.490]and then they can make a clarification about it
[00:25:22.740]in the lecture.
[00:25:23.790]Like, "Oh, this was a typo, I'm sorry."
[00:25:25.950]I mean, there's been some textbooks
[00:25:29.010]that were published by a company
[00:25:30.930]that still have wrong information in them,
[00:25:33.750]or old information that isn't, like, valid anymore.
[00:25:37.260]So it's just quick and easy to get information out there.
[00:25:41.370]Also, just in general, asking questions is a lot easier.
[00:25:45.510]Like, asking questions about the book
[00:25:46.950]is a lot easier when the author of the book
[00:25:49.350]is standing in the room with you.
[00:25:50.550]It's just fast.
[00:25:56.100]So on that same kinda line,
[00:25:59.970]why, and I'm really interested 'cause you're students.
[00:26:03.510]I know what faculty say,
[00:26:04.830]but I am interested as to your guys' opinions.
[00:26:08.850]This's not gonna be held against you,
[00:26:10.830]but why do you think more faculty
[00:26:13.740]don't have their classes be OER?
[00:26:23.220]It could, I don't know, Well-
[00:26:24.240]it could be multiple reasons.
[00:26:25.470]I'm sorry, but I think one,
[00:26:28.110]maybe they just don't have time to write a book.
[00:26:30.840]That's how I feel.
[00:26:32.160]Writing a book takes a lot of time,
[00:26:35.700]finding information takes a lot of time.
[00:26:37.800]Maybe they're not, like, too well-versed in it
[00:26:40.555]or they like the book that they're promoting
[00:26:43.860]for their students to buy.
[00:26:45.180]So it could be a multitude of things like that.
[00:26:52.612]Yeah, I feel like they may not be compensated
[00:26:55.680]for that as well.
[00:26:56.513]So if what they're compensated
[00:26:58.890]for is to just administer the class
[00:27:01.020]and execute a plan that is created
[00:27:05.640]either by the previous professor
[00:27:07.260]or a plan that's created by a book that already exists
[00:27:09.780]that you need to pay for,
[00:27:11.160]that might just be what they have time
[00:27:12.870]for if they're expected to do research outside of that,
[00:27:16.460]or they could have all these expectations, so it's...
[00:27:18.900]I mean, as a student, I feel like it's unfair
[00:27:20.310]to expect my professor to be able to offer OER resources
[00:27:23.790]if they're not equally supported to offer that resource.
[00:27:32.070]You all're much nicer than me (chuckles) in your answers.
[00:27:37.170]Just to give you an idea, when I did my course,
[00:27:39.690]I never had an interest in writing a book.
[00:27:42.240]And it was actually a very easy process.
[00:27:46.620]There's a company called Skyepack,
[00:27:48.300]and what they do is they take your lecture notes
[00:27:50.700]and you turn them into a,
[00:27:51.720]and they turn it into a book.
[00:27:53.460]And you go through and you...
[00:27:55.650]My job was to edit.
[00:27:56.910]It costs me nothing but the time to put it in.
[00:27:59.670]And we, I was releasing it as the kids were in class.
[00:28:03.300]So Zack was in that first class first time we did it,
[00:28:05.667]and I was releasing modules as we were making them,
[00:28:10.080]and it has things like YouTube videos.
[00:28:12.390]So if you think of genetics,
[00:28:14.370]there's YouTube videos, there's quizzes,
[00:28:18.060]there's all sorts of things that're tailored to the class.
[00:28:21.000]I got paid nothing for it.
[00:28:23.850]I, you know, I did it out of my own time.
[00:28:26.910]But like I said, they took my notes
[00:28:28.560]and then I make all the problems for my class,
[00:28:30.810]which I've been teaching for a while
[00:28:34.050]so I had a lot of that stuff.
[00:28:35.490]And then they take it,
[00:28:36.480]they make it into a book.
[00:28:38.010]It costs 39.99 because,
[00:28:39.810]well, that's, you know what they do.
[00:28:42.067]$40 or under, right?
[00:28:44.040]And then the students have lifetime access to it.
[00:28:46.920]And then I can, as you said,
[00:28:48.360]if there's a problem I can go in and fix it.
[00:28:51.050]In that first semester we had some problems,
[00:28:53.070]and people come tell me
[00:28:53.910]and then we would go along and we'd fix it
[00:28:55.950]as we went along.
[00:28:57.240]So if you wanna do it from scratch,
[00:29:00.360]write a book from scratch, you're right, it is.
[00:29:02.790]That would be very daunting.
[00:29:04.110]I didn't wanna do that.
[00:29:05.220]So this company is great.
[00:29:06.450]So I did that, and now our microbiology course,
[00:29:08.910]they also have a Skyepack book
[00:29:12.240]that my husband and the other co-chair
[00:29:14.280]of the biology department put together,
[00:29:16.230]and I know the students really appreciate that also, so...
[00:29:19.560]The biology department here at UNK
[00:29:20.994]is about 96% OER in our classes.
[00:29:25.110]We've really embraced this possibility.
[00:29:28.320]So, and more people are coming on board.
[00:29:31.200]So I'm glad to hear, you know, what you guys think.
[00:29:33.660]And a lot of that is true,
[00:29:34.770]a lot of faculty don't have time.
[00:29:36.180]There are a lot of other responsibilities.
[00:29:38.460]So it was just wondering,
[00:29:39.390]have you guys ever taken a class
[00:29:41.760]where you've bought the books
[00:29:43.800]but you've never opened them,
[00:29:45.660]and have you said anything to the teachers about this?
[00:29:50.790]I am in classical mythology right now,
[00:29:53.610]and we had to buy Homer's "Iliad"
[00:29:56.760]and Homeric hymns.
[00:29:59.670]And I don't know, I can't understand
[00:30:03.270]what it says at all, how it's...
[00:30:06.330]I can't focus when I'm reading that book,
[00:30:07.920]'cause how it's phrased is basically another language to me.
[00:30:12.900]So I read the first, like, couple of chapters,
[00:30:16.680]but then I was...
[00:30:17.513]I just couldn't understand it,
[00:30:18.990]so I wouldn't do well on the quizzes.
[00:30:21.660]So I just started looking up the summaries online
[00:30:24.060]of the hymns and the Iliad,
[00:30:27.030]and it works way better.
[00:30:28.560]It's so much easier to read.
[00:30:30.210]So I kind of...
[00:30:31.260]The book wasn't that expensive, thank goodness.
[00:30:33.870]But I don't know,
[00:30:35.580]if I had a friend that was taking classical mythology,
[00:30:37.740]I would just tell them,
[00:30:38.827]"Just Google everything, it's easier." (chuckles)
[00:30:46.500]Yeah, I've had that experience,
[00:30:48.390]where I've never touched a book
[00:30:50.163]that I paid for for a class,
[00:30:51.720]but I would never talk to my professor about it.
[00:30:54.747]And I think that just has to come from...
[00:30:57.510]This was while I was in undergrad,
[00:30:58.710]and I was very...
[00:31:00.030]I was very, I don't wanna say scared,
[00:31:01.830]but I didn't wanna have a...
[00:31:04.170]I didn't want to confront,
[00:31:05.190]say, an authority figure
[00:31:06.510]that is in charge of my academic wellbeing.
[00:31:10.770]So I usually would just take it,
[00:31:12.617]that's just how it is,
[00:31:13.890]and then put the book on my bookshelf
[00:31:15.450]and hope it looks pretty.
[00:31:18.360]Yeah, I mean, seriously,
[00:31:20.400]throughout my college, like tenure,
[00:31:23.460]I think there've been more books
[00:31:24.780]that I have not used that're required
[00:31:27.450]than books that I have used.
[00:31:29.220]And I think that's (chuckling) kinda like...
[00:31:32.010]I find it ridiculous.
[00:31:33.600]So actually, like, UNK was redoing
[00:31:36.000]how they did their bookstore,
[00:31:36.990]and there's this company called Akademos
[00:31:38.217]and they wanted to make it so that,
[00:31:41.070]like, you selected whether or not you wanted your books,
[00:31:43.530]like, included in your student fees.
[00:31:45.750]And so, you played a flat rate for books
[00:31:47.880]and it was $18 a credit hour, I think,
[00:31:51.210]or $16 a credit hour, something like that.
[00:31:53.280]And, you know, if you...
[00:31:56.520]I fought pretty adamantly against it,
[00:31:58.560]because I was...
[00:32:00.180]First of all the math, I mean that's pretty expensive.
[00:32:01.860]It's like $300 or something a semester.
[00:32:05.430]But also, it's like, there're so many books
[00:32:07.590]that, so maybe you're cutting down the cost if you,
[00:32:10.080]all the required books
[00:32:11.250]that you're getting for this flat rate.
[00:32:14.310]But in reality,
[00:32:15.450]these required books're oftentimes not required.
[00:32:17.790]And so, it just makes no sense for the students financially.
[00:32:21.000]And so, I would say that other than my, like,
[00:32:23.610]OER books where, you know,
[00:32:25.140]you could just, it was pretty cheap.
[00:32:27.240]Like, you know, the Gen Chem one
[00:32:28.140]was literally free, I think.
[00:32:29.430]Like, you could just easily get it.
[00:32:31.170]I mean, everything else it's just like,
[00:32:32.880]there's no point, I'm not gonna get it.
[00:32:34.380]And I think,
[00:32:36.060]even if it is required, a lot of times,
[00:32:38.040]because they're required and you don't use them.
[00:32:44.100]Great answers, and I will tell you,
[00:32:45.630]I told you I have a son,
[00:32:47.220]he's a junior here at UNK
[00:32:49.530]and there's nothing more frustrating than,
[00:32:52.080]'cause I buy his books.
[00:32:53.100]So believe me, I feel all your pain,
[00:32:55.440]'cause I buy his books.
[00:32:57.150]And when he tells me "I never opened this book," I just...
[00:33:00.840]I want to go up to that professor, and I do,
[00:33:03.660]and say, "Why're you requiring books
[00:33:05.400]that they don't even open?
[00:33:06.720]That makes no sense."
[00:33:08.730]But there is one reason, just to let you know,
[00:33:10.767]and maybe you should get this word out,
[00:33:13.560]athletes can only use their athletic scholarships
[00:33:16.440]to buy books that're required.
[00:33:19.470]That, we've gotta change,
[00:33:20.610]and we're working on that
[00:33:21.510]here at UNK, to get that changed.
[00:33:23.100]We're working on that with our bookstore Akademos.
[00:33:25.110]So we have a bookstore that is all about OER,
[00:33:30.168]and it's a really great relationship
[00:33:32.310]that we have with this new bookstore,
[00:33:34.620]and we got to be on the OER team, here,
[00:33:38.040]got to be on the hiring to talk to the people
[00:33:41.520]for the new bookstore who we wanted.
[00:33:42.810]And we really liked Akademos.
[00:33:44.520]And Zack, I'm with you.
[00:33:45.780]I voted against that also,
[00:33:48.510]because that does get to be a really high price.
[00:33:52.590]'Kay, so, do you guys ever,
[00:33:56.070]I mean, this might seem like a bit of a strange question,
[00:33:58.950]but amongst your friends,
[00:34:01.800]do you ever talk about your classes
[00:34:03.900]and you know, "Well, this one,
[00:34:05.910]the book is really cheap," or "This one's OER."
[00:34:08.280]Or if anybody's student would ask you about OER,
[00:34:11.520]you know, what would you tell them?
[00:34:20.417]So now I'd say my- I would tell them-
[00:34:21.769]Oh, sorry.
[00:34:23.730]The situation for me looks a little different
[00:34:25.230]just because all my classmates
[00:34:26.850]were taking the exact same courses,
[00:34:28.320]doing the exact same course load.
[00:34:30.990]So I wouldn't necessarily talk
[00:34:32.190]to other students about it that're here.
[00:34:34.620]But friend-wise, like, even I would consider,
[00:34:37.350]like, some of the pharmacists I work with as friends
[00:34:39.720]and I've even talked to them about OEP, or OER, sorry,
[00:34:44.490]just because some of them that're older,
[00:34:46.770]I don't think they realize
[00:34:48.330]that they could really learn how to properly use
[00:34:51.630]some of the drug platforms
[00:34:53.580]just to check, like, drug interactions and allergies.
[00:34:56.460]And you would be surprised how many patients
[00:34:58.950]really, truly, need to know that now,
[00:35:00.630]there's just a lot available
[00:35:02.760]that I feel they inadequately don't understand.
[00:35:18.107]I don't know.
[00:35:19.080]So I would tell my friends,
[00:35:21.390]like, if they were considering to take a class that was OER
[00:35:26.190]I would tell them that they should,
[00:35:27.300]because it's cheap, (laughs)
[00:35:30.030]and like, you can't deny cheapness.
[00:35:32.760]As a cheapskate myself,
[00:35:35.100]I don't like spending money,
[00:35:36.210]and I don't want my friends to be blowing
[00:35:37.980]a million dollars on a class
[00:35:40.440]or books that they're not gonna read or use.
[00:35:43.320]And plus, in my experience,
[00:35:44.970]the OER classes, they're a lot, like,
[00:35:48.000]easier to follow,
[00:35:48.833]and I'm generally more successful with them
[00:35:50.697]and I'd like to see people that I know also be successful.
[00:35:55.890]I would say it's like, really common for people
[00:35:57.690]to just say, like,
[00:35:58.597]"Yeah, this course has a required textbook,
[00:36:00.330]but you don't need it," like, all the time.
[00:36:02.010]I mean, people will give you that advice.
[00:36:03.300]Like, "Yeah, take this.
[00:36:04.500]Don't be afraid of the book
[00:36:05.610]because you're never gonna need it anyway,
[00:36:07.560]even if it says it's required."
[00:36:08.730]And so, I think even more often than, like, OER stuff,
[00:36:11.877]and that's, like, the insight I've been given
[00:36:14.250]by people who're older than me
[00:36:15.600]who'd gone through it before.
[00:36:21.120]Do you feel like your campuses have done a good job
[00:36:25.260]at embracing OER
[00:36:27.630]and bringing it to the forefront of the students?
[00:36:37.473]I don't really, like...
[00:36:39.870]There's some class, as I said before,
[00:36:41.460]like, there's some classes that tell you
[00:36:42.810]that there's no book that's required,
[00:36:44.670]and then you come into the first day of class
[00:36:46.410]and then they're like, "All right, here you go,
[00:36:47.850]you gotta buy this $100 book, Merry Christmas."
[00:36:51.941](laughs) It's not fun.
[00:36:53.490]So, and sometimes I'll, like,
[00:36:55.380]you almost get, like, baited into signing up for a class
[00:36:57.797]'cause you see that there's no books required.
[00:37:00.240]So you might think that it's an OER class
[00:37:02.670]and then it's not.
[00:37:04.230]And then you have to...
[00:37:05.310]You lose $100 or more, even,
[00:37:07.950]if you're really unlucky.
[00:37:09.780]So it's just, I feel like at UNL
[00:37:12.900]they should like, make it super clear
[00:37:16.920]when you're registering, like,
[00:37:18.630]like have in a description or something
[00:37:20.880]something saying that, like,
[00:37:23.970]giving information about the books and the resources
[00:37:26.670]that you'll need for the class well in advance
[00:37:29.820]so that you can plan ahead, you know? (chuckles)
[00:37:35.370]Yeah, so I think, like...
[00:37:37.290]It's pretty tough for me to know,
[00:37:38.220]kind of, you know, being like, a senior,
[00:37:39.360]you're really far removed
[00:37:40.380]from like, all the stuff that you kinda,
[00:37:41.940]the information overload that gets fed to you
[00:37:43.860]when you're like, first coming into college
[00:37:45.600]where they're like, "Oh yeah,
[00:37:46.530]this's available and that's available.
[00:37:47.610]And, you know, you have this option."
[00:37:48.930]So like, you know, I don't really know.
[00:37:51.030]Like, I feel like I only kinda know of this stuff
[00:37:53.190]because of student government,
[00:37:54.900]because I'm like, in on some of those conversations
[00:37:57.330]that have happened.
[00:37:58.320]However, I think UNK has been pretty proactive
[00:38:00.840]in, you know, making it clear on MyBLUE
[00:38:03.723]when you're registering for classes,
[00:38:05.190]if the courses're OER.
[00:38:07.620]And so, if you're looking for it,
[00:38:08.640]you can find that.
[00:38:09.507]And I think, you know,
[00:38:10.830]that alone is a pretty big step in the right direction
[00:38:15.120]for these materials in general.
[00:38:22.770]I would say that UNO
[00:38:23.970]has done a really good good job
[00:38:25.440]of communicating with students about what to expect
[00:38:28.200]about book cost when they're applying,
[00:38:30.000]when they're signing up for courses.
[00:38:31.830]In my experience I do,
[00:38:33.240]a lot of it was through word of mouth.
[00:38:35.940]Professors would recommend the course,
[00:38:38.400]recommend courses that're happening the next semester
[00:38:40.560]and then have a plug in, of like,
[00:38:42.127]"By the way, you know, it's a free textbook."
[00:38:44.820]And then, you know, now I know of like,
[00:38:46.777]"Oh, they meant OER," like, "that's great."
[00:38:50.100]So I feel like when students
[00:38:51.960]don't know about OER on their,
[00:38:53.880]at least on UNO's campus,
[00:38:55.050]they just know, like, a textbook is free.
[00:38:56.940]And then once they take that class
[00:38:58.440]or become connected with someone who knows what it is,
[00:39:01.200]then it's explained to them.
[00:39:02.280]It's like, "Oh wait, this's an incredible opportunity.
[00:39:05.280]I'm only going to look for courses that're OER."
[00:39:08.250]So that piece is pretty nice.
[00:39:09.450]And I mean, I feel like UNO
[00:39:10.770]has had the opposite experience then UNL.
[00:39:13.860]They may say, when you're signing up for a course,
[00:39:15.720]that a book is required.
[00:39:18.150]And then before you even get the chance to buy the book,
[00:39:20.580]the professor will let you know,
[00:39:21.757]"Don't buy the book, you don't need it."
[00:39:24.900]And they're pretty transparent about...
[00:39:27.420]They're really transparent
[00:39:28.253]about when things change, which is nice.
[00:39:30.540]So that way, if you're proactive and you buy a book early,
[00:39:34.080]they catch you before you spend that money
[00:39:36.570]and can't get it back.
[00:39:40.830]That's great! (laughs)
[00:39:44.490]I wish sometimes, like I said,
[00:39:47.100]I have learned a lot from my son being a college student,
[00:39:50.820]because it's been a while since I've been a college student.
[00:39:52.920]So I've learned a lot from him,
[00:39:54.390]and, kinda, what he's gone through.
[00:39:56.100]And I try to make it easier for my students,
[00:39:59.100]especially cheaper for my students, to be in class too.
[00:40:02.310]So one of the things that we've done
[00:40:05.040]through the OER initiative
[00:40:06.240]across the University Nebraska system
[00:40:08.400]is we have been marking classes as one.
[00:40:12.030]And the one is for, you know, OER Nebraska,
[00:40:16.590]which was a acronym
[00:40:19.080]that was actually created
[00:40:21.960]by the student government from each of the campuses.
[00:40:26.580]They all came up with that together.
[00:40:28.050]So that is one way that you can look for classes.
[00:40:30.690]Have any of you ever used that functionality
[00:40:33.390]when you're looking for classes,
[00:40:34.980]or have you noticed that marking?
[00:40:46.530]I have not noticed that marking.
[00:40:49.110]I would love to notice it in the future.
[00:40:52.799]To be honest, I feel like I'm, like, pretty far gone.
[00:40:55.110]Like, I don't think that there's gonna be
[00:40:56.490]an OER P Chem textbook anytime soon.
[00:40:58.740]Like, at the end of the day, you know,
[00:41:00.900]like, this is what it is at this point.
[00:41:02.790]You kinda just like, once you get up high enough,
[00:41:04.830]it's just like, you don't really expect...
[00:41:06.570]I think, like, the main impact, I would say,
[00:41:08.100]like, for this stuff, is in the general studies
[00:41:09.600]where it's like, really doable.
[00:41:12.420]I don't know.
[00:41:14.370]So I'm gonna ask Jane Peterson if she can pull up,
[00:41:18.750]just so everybody can see what it looks like out there.
[00:41:21.900]Jane, if you could please pull up the,
[00:41:24.270]when kids search for their classes with the one marking
[00:41:27.960]so we can show everybody here,
[00:41:29.370]maybe we can do that in a little bit.
[00:41:31.920]And Zack, I promise you I will work on Dr. Darveau
[00:41:35.370]to get that P Chem book to be OER.
[00:41:38.190]Well, I work on him all the time anyway
[00:41:40.290]about this stuff too, so...
[00:41:42.317]'Cause we would like,
[00:41:43.590]I mean, my goal is to have everybody who can,
[00:41:47.250]you know, be OER on campus.
[00:41:49.830]And we understand there're some classes
[00:41:51.450]that don't lend themselves to being OER, right?
[00:41:54.000]I mean, some classes that would be kinda difficult
[00:41:56.460]for them to do.
[00:41:57.330]I once heard accounting would probably be really hard
[00:42:00.300]to do as OER,
[00:42:02.460]and that's completely understandable.
[00:42:06.810]Let's see, so,
[00:42:13.290]what would you want your campus to do
[00:42:17.670]if you had your pie in the sky
[00:42:19.890]that the campus could do for you
[00:42:22.560]in terms of textbook costs and OER materials, and that,
[00:42:26.370]what would you want your campus to do?
[00:42:29.130]Because we're gonna make sure, you know,
[00:42:30.840]that like, the senior vice chancellors on the campuses
[00:42:34.500]you know, get to see this.
[00:42:35.610]So this is your chance to say,
[00:42:37.567]"Hey, this is what we would like
[00:42:39.240]when it comes to textbooks and materials for our classes."
[00:42:49.380]Well, (chuckles) I think that they should push for it
[00:42:51.960]as hard as they can.
[00:42:54.060]And it's not only, like, encouraging people to do it,
[00:42:55.737]but maybe offering some sort of incentive on the backend
[00:42:59.040]for the faculty that develop these things, these resources.
[00:43:01.380]Because that does take a considerable amount of time.
[00:43:04.080]And, you know, faculty don't, (chuckles) you know,
[00:43:06.780]they're not making bank a lot of the times,
[00:43:08.670]like, especially when you're just kinda starting out.
[00:43:10.230]Like, you know, it's tough,
[00:43:12.240]and you have to do research to supplement your income
[00:43:14.190]and that kind of stuff.
[00:43:15.023]You know, there's a lot of time constraints
[00:43:17.490]that're involved with, you know,
[00:43:18.540]making a textbook as well as the other things
[00:43:20.370]that faculty have to do all the time.
[00:43:22.080]And so, maybe like, for the universities
[00:43:23.730]to, you know, help faculty or incentivize faculty to do it
[00:43:28.380]in one way or another would be really, really helpful
[00:43:30.630]to making this more of a broad thing.
[00:43:40.860]Yeah, I agree with that.
[00:43:41.730]Like adding an incentive
[00:43:45.810]for those instructors who want to write a book
[00:43:49.260]but yeah, don't have the time or the motivation.
[00:43:51.570]Money is a big motivator,
[00:43:53.130]so I feel like you could definitely get some movement
[00:43:58.200]there if you, like, have some sort of award
[00:44:01.590]for making a big change in your class. (chuckles)
[00:44:12.930]We also have a question, or just a comment,
[00:44:15.600]and Kim, you might address this.
[00:44:18.397]"As a faculty, I was told that it was required
[00:44:21.870]to make at least one book required."
[00:44:25.200]So you might address
[00:44:26.160]that question. Yeah,
[00:44:27.510]so that's interesting.
[00:44:28.410]So every college
[00:44:31.230]on every campus is different.
[00:44:33.540]So I'm in the College of Arts and Sciences,
[00:44:36.300]and in Arts and Sciences there is,
[00:44:38.520]and it might be department department,
[00:44:39.750]we have no requirements for books.
[00:44:41.250]In fact, of course, as I said in biology,
[00:44:43.530]we'd love if we didn't use books.
[00:44:45.840]But that's a little bit hard to get away from sometimes.
[00:44:48.960]But sometimes faculty are given this requirement
[00:44:51.450]and it's kind of an archaic requirement
[00:44:54.570]that doesn't really exist anymore.
[00:44:56.580]But you know how it is when you have history on your campus,
[00:45:00.300]it just stays around forever.
[00:45:02.640]And this gets told to people.
[00:45:04.170]So as faculty,
[00:45:07.410]us in this group who actually work
[00:45:09.270]directly with our senior vice chancellor, now, in OER,
[00:45:13.110]we need to make sure that she knows to tell the faculty,
[00:45:17.190]'cause she's our direct boss,
[00:45:18.600]that no, there is no,
[00:45:20.940]that's not a real thing.
[00:45:22.500]That's one of those urban legends, that you have to do that,
[00:45:25.800]that you have to have a required book for a class,
[00:45:27.317]'cause you don't have to have a required book for a class.
[00:45:31.560]That's a great point, and we need to make sure
[00:45:33.870]that we tell the senior vice chancellor that.
[00:45:35.640]So we have a new senior vice chancellor
[00:45:37.530]of academic affairs at UNK,
[00:45:39.840]and she's very interested in OER.
[00:45:42.960]And we sat down and had this conversation,
[00:45:46.830]especially one, about required books never being opened,
[00:45:49.890]about students getting books on the first day of class,
[00:45:53.280]told to them that they have to buy some of these things
[00:45:56.160]she wasn't aware of,
[00:45:57.120]and she's actually putting something together
[00:45:59.130]to talk to faculty for the next semester
[00:46:02.730]so that they don't, you know, outta habit...
[00:46:05.280]So ordering books, we get a form,
[00:46:06.960]we go and we fill out this online form.
[00:46:09.630]And it's already there,
[00:46:10.747]"The book you used last time was this."
[00:46:12.480]So the easy thing is just to push, Okay, right,
[00:46:15.900]instead of unchecking it.
[00:46:17.010]So there's a little bit of training
[00:46:19.020]that needs to go on on our end, too,
[00:46:21.030]as administrators and faculty on the campus.
[00:46:25.680]So, and yes, Jane,
[00:46:26.940]I did mean in MyBLUE.
[00:46:27.773]And for everybody,
[00:46:29.670]Brad put up the links to each campus
[00:46:31.380]so that you can see how the classes are marked
[00:46:34.470]on each campus.
[00:46:35.790]Now, was talking about our senior vice chancellor,
[00:46:37.950]and I'd really like you to have your guys' input on this.
[00:46:40.230]So our senior vice chancellor's, very, very interested
[00:46:43.500]in OER, really excited about it,
[00:46:45.510]and getting on board with this.
[00:46:46.800]And she's actually been coming to our meetings,
[00:46:48.540]which is great.
[00:46:50.100]She was thinking we need to have an initiative
[00:46:52.440]that all 100-level classes,
[00:46:54.780]so all those may be first-year classes that you take,
[00:46:57.750]are OER, or general studies classes are OER,
[00:47:02.190]or your gen eds.
[00:47:04.290]What do you guys think about that?
[00:47:05.730]If we have a target, what should our target be?
[00:47:08.490]Should we try to make all those 100-level classes OER?
[00:47:12.480]Should we be do the initiative,
[00:47:13.980]all general studies classes are OER?
[00:47:16.140]I'd really like your input on that.
[00:47:21.403]I was just gonna input this quickly,
[00:47:23.520]that like, as a freshman,
[00:47:25.590]when I was doing, like, the science track,
[00:47:28.470]I think I saw a lot of my classmates,
[00:47:30.390]like, change routes, switch, do something else.
[00:47:32.670]And so, it could be really helpful to have OER resources
[00:47:36.420]just because it can really save them down the line
[00:47:39.180]if they end up changing their major,
[00:47:41.370]not have to buy the book
[00:47:42.660]if they're go in science and then they switch,
[00:47:44.820]you know, whatever,
[00:47:45.653]it could be a waste of money.
[00:47:46.501]So that could be really helpful.
[00:47:51.630]Yeah, I think- And I think with-
[00:47:52.890]Go ahead, go ahead.
[00:47:54.290]Okay, I was gonna say the chance to take a class
[00:47:58.320]without having to have that burden
[00:47:59.880]of anywhere between 100 and $300 worth of books
[00:48:03.150]just for your first semester of college
[00:48:05.670]gives you a whole lot of breathing room
[00:48:08.220]where, say, you don't have to pick up an extra job,
[00:48:11.986]and you can use that time to study instead.
[00:48:14.310]So I mean, if you don't have time
[00:48:16.020]to really invest in the class that you're taking
[00:48:19.080]because you're working outside of it
[00:48:20.820]and you don't really know
[00:48:21.653]if this's the career path for you.
[00:48:23.580]So I think it would be best to have all of,
[00:48:26.250]you know, all prerequisite courses to be OER,
[00:48:29.580]that might be ambitious,
[00:48:30.570]for each degree program,
[00:48:31.800]and you would need a lot of resources for that.
[00:48:33.810]But I think that graduation rates
[00:48:35.220]would definitely see...
[00:48:37.680]They would go higher,
[00:48:38.513]and I think that people, students specifically,
[00:48:40.320]would be much happier because they can find a way...
[00:48:43.911]They have the opportunity to discover themselves
[00:48:45.810]without having the burden
[00:48:47.010]of working 10 hours here, 20 hours there,
[00:48:50.310]and just be a student.
[00:48:53.820]I have another question from the audience,
[00:48:56.130]which somewhat ties into this question.
[00:48:58.830]It says, "I'm curious to know
[00:49:00.390]if any of you keep the books you purchase
[00:49:03.510]once the course is over.
[00:49:06.060]Why or why not?"
[00:49:11.160]For me, it depends on the book.
[00:49:13.140]When I've had, like...
[00:49:14.400]For classes that involve my major,
[00:49:16.710]I'll keep the book because it's useful information for me
[00:49:20.040]to look back on later.
[00:49:21.990]But if it's something general education, I'll sell it.
[00:49:26.247]And maybe if it was a rental book, I'll turn it in.
[00:49:29.610]That book is not staying
[00:49:31.320]anywhere near me ever again. (laughs)
[00:49:35.820]So I kinda firstly wanna say like, you know,
[00:49:38.670]kinda echo what Renata said about like...
[00:49:41.370]Like, transitioning to college
[00:49:42.630]is such a difficult time for people.
[00:49:44.310]I mean, like, the schooling is a lot harder
[00:49:46.380]and it's difficult to be away from your family
[00:49:48.600]and worry about,
[00:49:49.433]you know, you gotta take care of yourself
[00:49:50.870]in a lot of ways that,
[00:49:51.828]you know, you don't necessarily have to in high school.
[00:49:53.517]And so, like, making OER,
[00:49:55.777]you know, available to those first-year students,
[00:49:58.063]I think, is like, only a positive thing,
[00:49:59.457]and I think it's a great starting point.
[00:50:02.970]And then, when it comes to, like, keeping textbooks,
[00:50:06.150]for me, I would say I keep them in two circumstances.
[00:50:09.840]Like, if I'm taking a course for two semesters,
[00:50:12.990]it no longer necessarily becomes, like,
[00:50:14.730]financially beneficial to rent them.
[00:50:18.600]So it's like, if I'm gonna need it for two semesters,
[00:50:21.120]like, and it's 80-some dollars to rent
[00:50:23.700]and you know, 180 to buy,
[00:50:25.350]it's like, well, at this point
[00:50:26.400]you might as well just buy it,
[00:50:28.440]because you don't wanna have to rent it,
[00:50:29.820]send it back, rent it again.
[00:50:30.840]Like, it just doesn't make sense.
[00:50:32.820]And then, also I would say that I keep them if...
[00:50:35.550]So, like, I had to take the MCAT.
[00:50:37.230]So if I was like, "Oh, you know, this might be helpful
[00:50:38.423]for the MCAT down the road"
[00:50:39.870]or, "I wanna look back on this," or something,
[00:50:41.370]even though that's like, a little bit,
[00:50:43.634](chuckles) maybe naive, like, you really don't.
[00:50:45.043]I mean, at the end of the day it's like,
[00:50:46.950]pretty rare that you're gonna have to do that.
[00:50:48.450]Sometimes you might, like, pop it open
[00:50:50.250]like, "Oh yeah, I was wondering about something."
[00:50:52.677]But like, that is few and far between.
[00:50:55.200]So I'd say, like, sometimes I've kept them
[00:50:58.380]because I think I'm gonna use them in the future
[00:51:00.480]when maybe I do, maybe I don't.
[00:51:02.970]But otherwise, it's more like I'm kinda stuck with them
[00:51:04.980]because I just was like,
[00:51:05.947]"Well, I might as well buy it in the first place."
[00:51:11.340]Yeah, I have all of my...
[00:51:14.580]I kept all of my books from my undergrad
[00:51:16.290]from my political science and environmental science degrees
[00:51:18.750]and I always thought I'd go back on them
[00:51:21.450]and, you know, take a look.
[00:51:23.340]And the only time I feel like I've opened them
[00:51:25.890]was during the quarantine part of the pandemic
[00:51:29.520]because I had time,
[00:51:32.310]and I reread some of the books
[00:51:34.260]because it was interesting.
[00:51:37.140]But now, with my master's program,
[00:51:40.290]I feel like there's only one book
[00:51:41.880]that I keep referring back to, and it's my ArcGIS book.
[00:51:45.000]And that has, you know,
[00:51:46.920]all the codes that I need to know for the program.
[00:51:49.200]So that's the only reason I refer back to it.
[00:51:51.450]So I keep them because I'm a sentimental person,
[00:51:56.190]and I bought them,
[00:51:57.240]and then there was no one else I could sell them to.
[00:51:59.340]But I feel like if I could talk to my 20-year-old self,
[00:52:03.960]I would tell her not to buy the books
[00:52:06.180]and to rent them and return them,
[00:52:07.013]'cause I'm not gonna use them again.
[00:52:10.080]And if I do need to use them in my career,
[00:52:12.690]it would be more cost effective to buy a book
[00:52:15.390]then than it is to buy the book now
[00:52:17.613]when your income is negative.
[00:52:21.450]Excellent, and Dr. Carlson,
[00:52:22.980]we have about eight minutes left.
[00:52:25.230]I do have MyBLUE pulled up
[00:52:27.300]with the place for,
[00:52:30.150]if you want me to share that,
[00:52:31.350]and you wanna walk through that,
[00:52:32.640]I can sure do that,
[00:52:33.600]okay. Sure,, that'd be great.
[00:52:34.530]I think it'd be great, at least,
[00:52:35.640]for everybody to get an idea of what one campus is doing.
[00:52:39.810]I do wanna mention to everybody that in the chat,
[00:52:42.000]Brad has put the link for the session survey.
[00:52:44.490]We would like everybody to take that survey, please,
[00:52:48.090]at the end of the panel, here.
[00:52:51.390]So if you look, here, down at the bottom,
[00:52:53.490]this is how UNK does it.
[00:52:54.900]Every campus's a little different,
[00:52:56.280]and Brad put those links in the chat.
[00:52:58.410]But you could click on any of these
[00:53:00.570]and you could search for classes
[00:53:03.810]by looking for low-cost or no-cost materials.
[00:53:06.690]So that's how we have our classes marked now,
[00:53:09.120]as just two categories, low-cost and no-cost.
[00:53:12.030]Low cost is anything under $40.
[00:53:14.040]No-cost obviously is no cost.
[00:53:16.560]If you're a science major,
[00:53:18.000]that applies directly to the lecture portions of the class,
[00:53:22.200]because like we said, the laboratory has fees.
[00:53:24.030]Sometimes you have to buy goggles if you're in chemistry
[00:53:27.960]or in microbiology.
[00:53:29.520]You know, you gotta have those things,
[00:53:30.630]gotta protect yourself.
[00:53:31.740]So sometimes those get a little bit,
[00:53:34.440]a little bit more expensive.
[00:53:36.660]Renata, you said something great,
[00:53:37.627]"If I could talk to my 20-year-old self,
[00:53:39.630]I'd tell them not to buy the books."
[00:53:41.670]I would tell all your 20-year-old selves the same thing.
[00:53:45.960]Over Christmas break I got new furniture
[00:53:48.090]for my office and I cleared out my office.
[00:53:51.810]I had every one of my biology,
[00:53:55.080]and believe it or not,
[00:53:55.980]chemistry books for when I was an undergrad,
[00:53:58.140]and I finally got rid of all of them
[00:54:00.450]because I never opened them again. (chuckling)
[00:54:03.660]So I get you! (laughs)
[00:54:07.800]I get you.
[00:54:09.300]You know, they're heavy also.
[00:54:12.480]I mean, once again,
[00:54:14.760]I would love us to get up to what Abby is doing
[00:54:17.490]for her pharmacy school program
[00:54:19.230]with having it all on an iPad.
[00:54:21.840]Because, you know, education is changing
[00:54:24.180]and we've all had to change with the times.
[00:54:25.860]So, you know, when I was a kid
[00:54:29.550]in elementary school or high school,
[00:54:31.320]you know, we had physical books.
[00:54:33.870]You know, we had to wrap them using grocery bags.
[00:54:38.370]And my daughter just did that,
[00:54:39.900]she brought a book home, she goes,
[00:54:40.777]"Do you know how to cover a book?"
[00:54:42.360]And I'm like, "Oh, this's where I excel.
[00:54:44.280]I can show you how to do this."
[00:54:45.810]And so we did.
[00:54:46.740]You know, but even she, they get Chromebooks
[00:54:49.317]and they all go with the Chromebook
[00:54:50.940]and everything is online.
[00:54:52.560]You know, so you guys learn a lot differently
[00:54:54.390]than Jane, and Brad, and I did when we were in school.
[00:54:57.270]So we need to keep up with you guys also,
[00:55:01.230]what you're learning.
[00:55:02.430]I would like to know if each of you,
[00:55:03.810]with the last five minutes we have,
[00:55:05.070]is there something you would like to add?
[00:55:08.130]Some last words from each of you, please?
[00:55:13.410]Sure, I can start.
[00:55:17.793]I think, as a student,
[00:55:18.690]when you're young and going through the processes,
[00:55:22.050]we have a lot of trust in your professors.
[00:55:24.780]And I feel like if faculty haven't implemented OER
[00:55:28.980]because they're nervous
[00:55:29.880]about vetting the materials themselves.
[00:55:33.480]If they're listening out there,
[00:55:34.680]I just wanna tell them that students trust them.
[00:55:36.840]And, you know, we're walking into,
[00:55:39.300]we're usually walking into these things blind.
[00:55:41.730]And whatever you tell us,
[00:55:43.560]we'll take it and we'll trust it.
[00:55:45.000]Even if it's wrong,
[00:55:45.930]we trust you to correct it later on if it is wrong.
[00:55:49.020]So I know that if, through my undergrad,
[00:55:51.330]it would've been very helpful to have,
[00:55:54.009]more OER options available.
[00:55:56.610]And, you know, as a grad student now,
[00:55:59.580]it's been helpful by a lot.
[00:56:01.020]I worked three jobs while I was in undergrad.
[00:56:04.710]I probably did too much,
[00:56:05.640]but I knew that I didn't have to worry
[00:56:08.160]about the cost of books because I knew, like,
[00:56:09.727]"Okay, I'm working here this weekend,
[00:56:11.100]that's gonna cover the book costs."
[00:56:12.270]But, you know, if I had the opportunity to not do that,
[00:56:16.221]that would've been helpful.
[00:56:17.130]So, you know, your students trust you,
[00:56:19.500]even if they don't seem like it.
[00:56:22.080]We're all looking at the ground
[00:56:23.280]trying to connect all the things in our brains,
[00:56:25.950]but, you know, we know that we can turn
[00:56:27.540]to our professors for help.
[00:56:29.130]And if they were to give us a book,
[00:56:30.073]a textbook that was free,
[00:56:31.530]I'm not gonna question it.
[00:56:41.550]Well, yeah, I think...
[00:56:44.130]So I would encourage, you know,
[00:56:46.620]all faculty, if possible, to adopt these things.
[00:56:48.840]And I think, you know,
[00:56:50.880]like, if I was to tell them something,
[00:56:52.230]it'd be like,
[00:56:53.077]"I really think you need to have an open mind going in."
[00:56:54.990]Like, "look at it with a positive outlook."
[00:56:56.370]Because the truth is, whether or not you know it,
[00:56:59.163]you know, you could be doing more
[00:57:00.090]than just cutting down the cost of your materials.
[00:57:02.160]I mean, you could be eliminating,
[00:57:04.650]at least in some way, in some part,
[00:57:06.240]that barrier of cost to education.
[00:57:08.577]And I mean, that can greatly impact people's lives.
[00:57:12.210]And I mean, that might sound dramatic, but that's true.
[00:57:14.370]I mean, it's like, in other countries, you know,
[00:57:16.440]sometimes these barriers to education don't exist.
[00:57:18.930]And in the United States they're very steep.
[00:57:21.060]You know, and then,
[00:57:21.893]so if you have a positive outlook on it, you know,
[00:57:24.630]look at the book.
[00:57:25.740]And if you, you know,
[00:57:26.790]don't think it's gonna compromise the quality of education
[00:57:29.850]that you're providing to your students,
[00:57:31.500]I think you absolutely should adopt these textbooks
[00:57:33.720]if you can, you know?
[00:57:34.560]I mean, there're some of them that're just not good.
[00:57:37.470]You know, they have a lot of errors, or whatever.
[00:57:39.720]But I think by and large,
[00:57:41.220]they're a very positive thing
[00:57:42.600]and they can really, really greatly impact students
[00:57:44.730]and really help them out,
[00:57:47.130]you know, throughout their education.
[00:57:52.920]I think going forward, too,
[00:57:54.060]it's really exciting to see
[00:57:55.200]that you've had positive results in your classroom, Kim,
[00:57:58.500]just with this last year.
[00:58:00.630]And that can be a huge push,
[00:58:02.820]to just try to convince these other faculty
[00:58:05.790]that it can be a really positive step.
[00:58:07.710]And like Zack said,
[00:58:09.420]just to have a open mindset going forward
[00:58:11.580]and see where these new outlooks can take us.
[00:58:22.127]Amara, you have some final thoughts for us?
[00:58:25.230]I guess I do.
[00:58:26.790]So I think that if, like...
[00:58:28.680]I think a lot of instructors
[00:58:30.840]should consider going to OAR,
[00:58:33.930]because they can make something that is truly theirs,
[00:58:38.430]and that's something to be proud of.
[00:58:40.080]And they're gonna see the results within their classes
[00:58:42.480]and their students.
[00:58:43.440]They're gonna see that people are more alert,
[00:58:45.480]they understand a lot more,
[00:58:47.100]their grades're probably gonna be better too
[00:58:49.740]because there's no person riding by the seat of their pants
[00:58:52.650]just Googling everything.
[00:58:54.900]So, and I think that that would help everyone stay...
[00:58:59.430]It levels the playing field,
[00:59:00.930]I guess that's the word I'm looking for.
[00:59:02.340]It makes everything fair for everybody,
[00:59:04.410]and obviously that's something
[00:59:06.810]that's really should be a requirement in education.
[00:59:11.250]This has been great.
[00:59:12.420]I wanna thank all of you,
[00:59:14.040]Dr. Carlson and each one of you on the student panel.
[00:59:17.970]This's been inspirational.
[00:59:20.640]I think it's just been awesome.
[00:59:22.470]So to the audience, please fill out the survey
[00:59:25.890]that Brad placed in the chat line.
[00:59:29.460]We would appreciate that.
[00:59:30.630]And if you can,
[00:59:32.220]I'd just give these people a great big hand, thank you

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