A Conversation with Brian Stokes Mitchell
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02/23/2023
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Dubbed “the last leading man” by The New York Times, two-time Tony Award® winner Brian Stokes Mitchell has enjoyed a career spanning more than 40 years in Broadway, television, film, recordings, and concert appearances with the country’s finest conductors and orchestras. Stokes received Tony®, Drama Desk, and Outer Critics Circle awards for his star turn in Kiss Me, Kate. He also gave Tony®-nominated performances in Man of La Mancha, August Wilson’s King Hedley II, and Ragtime. Mitchell’s extensive TV appearances include Trapper John M.D., Glee, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Fraiser, The Good Fight, and dozens more. He also provided the singing voice of Jethro in the beloved movie The Prince of Egypt, including his stirring performance of ‘Through Heaven’s Eyes,” and made national news during the pandemic for performing “The Impossible Dream” every evening from the window of his Manhattan apartment as healthcare workers changed shifts.
Stokes is a founding member of Black Theatre United, founded in 2020. These leading members of the Black theatre community “stand together to help protect Black people, Black theatre, and Black lives of all shapes and orientations in communities across the country.” Their stated goal is to “educate, empower, and inspire through excellence and activism in the pursuit of justice and equality.”
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- [00:03:11.036]Hello everyone.
- [00:03:12.937]Thank you all so much for joining us.
- [00:03:16.140]So good evening to our viewers, I am Nkenge Friday,
- [00:03:19.980]senior Assistant Vice Chancellor in the Office of Diversity
- [00:03:23.310]and Inclusion here at the University of Nebraska Lincoln.
- [00:03:26.910]And I am Delighted to be here in conversation
- [00:03:29.430]with Mr. Brian Stokes Mitchell.
- [00:03:32.220]Tonight's session is actually a precursor, if you will,
- [00:03:35.130]to Stokes this January 21st,
- [00:03:38.250]performance scheduled at the LEAD Center.
- [00:03:40.800]We wanted to actually host this intimate conversation as a
- [00:03:43.440]way of expanding our own conversation,
- [00:03:46.380]providing more of a connection with our MLK
- [00:03:49.380]or Luther King Jr. Week here at the at
- [00:03:51.540]University of Nebraska.
- [00:03:53.460]Our MLK week actually begins on Monday,
- [00:03:56.400]January 23rd, and it concludes on Saturday, January 28th.
- [00:04:01.200]But before I begin with your introduction to Stokes,
- [00:04:04.530]as he likes to be called,
- [00:04:06.060]I do wanna tell you all selfishly that I have followed
- [00:04:08.910]his career for a number of years.
- [00:04:11.233]I'm excited for a number of reasons
- [00:04:13.320]and I didn't tell him this before we started,
- [00:04:15.780]but my first introduction to Stokes was actually
- [00:04:18.750]for the movie Double Platinum,
- [00:04:20.400]which featured the artist Brandy and Diana Ross.
- [00:04:24.090]Of course, I've seen him in so many other things
- [00:04:26.280]outside of it since then.
- [00:04:28.020]But that was actually my first introduction to his
- [00:04:30.750]baby of work, his body of work, which is truly tremendous.
- [00:04:34.500]So with that being said, I had to get my little plug.
- [00:04:36.930]I do wanna now introduce Brian Stokes Mitchell.
- [00:04:40.200]So dubbed the Last Leading Man by New York Times two times
- [00:04:46.020]Tony Award winner Brian Stokes Mitchell has enjoyed a career
- [00:04:49.110]spanning more than 40 years in Broadway, Television, film
- [00:04:53.490]recordings and concert appearances with the country's finest
- [00:04:56.970]conductors and orchestras.
- [00:04:58.860]He received Tony Drama Desk and Outer Critic Circle Awards,
- [00:05:03.300]with his performance in Kiss Me Kate,
- [00:05:05.640]he also gave Tony nominated performances in Man of La Mancha
- [00:05:09.540]August Wilson's King Hedley and Ragtime.
- [00:05:14.460]He has extensive television and film appearances
- [00:05:17.370]that include Trapper John M.D., Glee,
- [00:05:20.460]the Fresh Prince of Belaire.
- [00:05:21.930]Now we're talking my timeframe, by the way.
- [00:05:24.540]Frazier again, another thing that I saw you in
- [00:05:27.240]The Good Fight, the Prince of Egypt.
- [00:05:29.100]How can we forget that and dozens more.
- [00:05:31.800]Brian Stokes Mitchell joins us tonight.
- [00:05:33.810]He's also a founding member of Black Theatre United,
- [00:05:36.840]which was created in 2020.
- [00:05:39.240]These leading members of the Black theater community
- [00:05:41.430]stand together to help protect Black people,
- [00:05:44.370]Black theater and Black lives of all shapes
- [00:05:47.040]and orientations and communities across the country.
- [00:05:50.520]Their stated goal is to educate, empower,
- [00:05:53.970]and inspire through excellence in activism
- [00:05:56.640]and the pursuit of justice and equality.
- [00:05:59.310]This Saturday evening, January 21st,
- [00:06:03.240]Brian Stokes Mitchell will perform a solo concert at the
- [00:06:05.940]LEAD Center for Performing Arts here on UNL campus
- [00:06:09.510]presenting beloved music from his iconic career and beyond.
- [00:06:13.830]Tickets are available at leadcenter.org
- [00:06:16.290]and through the LEAD center Arts for All program,
- [00:06:19.140]University of Nebraska Lincoln students are able to attend
- [00:06:21.990]this special evening for free.
- [00:06:24.750]I am honored to welcome you
- [00:06:26.970]Stokes to our conversation.
- [00:06:28.980]Hello.
- [00:06:30.390]Thank you.
- [00:06:31.438]Nkenge it's so nice to meet you
- [00:06:32.864]and talk to you and I'm looking
- [00:06:34.463]forward to this conversation as well.
- [00:06:37.230]I wish I could see everybody else that is with us,
- [00:06:39.286]but that's not this platform but (audio cuts out speaker)
- [00:06:43.754]Unfortunately I have a little feedback,
- [00:06:44.667]a little bit of feedback from you Stokes.
- [00:06:46.740]I'm sorry.
- [00:06:51.057]And now I can't hear you.
- [00:06:58.320]It's still.
- [00:07:00.450]Can you say something else?
- [00:07:02.193]Let me leave and log in again
- [00:07:05.160]and see if that works.
- [00:07:06.270]Actually we're, we should be good now
- [00:07:07.830]I can hear you.
- [00:07:08.663]Is that good?
- [00:07:09.496]Okay, good.
- [00:07:10.380]Excellent, yeah, let me know.
- [00:07:11.760]That was a weird thing too.
- [00:07:12.780]I got a little thing there,
- [00:07:14.063]but it's nice to be here, thank you.
- [00:07:16.950]Absolutely.
- [00:07:17.790]Honestly, we wouldn't be in 2023 if there were not a few
- [00:07:20.550]technology hiccups.
- [00:07:21.945](Stokes laughing)
- [00:07:22.778]Here and there.
- [00:07:23.796](indistinct)right?
- [00:07:26.370]Yes, I'm so deeply grateful for this technology.
- [00:07:29.250]We curse it sometimes, but man,
- [00:07:31.110]it kept us connected throughout
- [00:07:34.500]this whole pandemic that we've been through.
- [00:07:36.147]And StreamYard particularly was what James Wesley
- [00:07:39.210]and Seth Rudetsky used for Stars In The House
- [00:07:42.120]that kind of kept Broadway connected.
- [00:07:44.100]I don't know how many folks out there were aware of that.
- [00:07:47.720]It kind of went worldwide with its popularity
- [00:07:50.850]where they would,
- [00:07:53.010]I did shows from this very position
- [00:07:55.260]and we would talk and sometimes sing songs
- [00:07:57.600]and it was just a really great thing to
- [00:07:59.160]do for the entertainment Community Fund.
- [00:08:01.320]But it was thanks to StreamYard.
- [00:08:02.810]So I'm grateful for this technology
- [00:08:05.520]that is keeping us together.
- [00:08:07.440]Absolutely.
- [00:08:08.430]And I do wanna say before I kick off the questions,
- [00:08:10.570]and I have quite a few,
- [00:08:12.450]I don't anticipate you going getting through all of those.
- [00:08:14.550]I said this earlier,
- [00:08:15.390]but this is a moment for me to really talk to you
- [00:08:18.150]one on one, which is honestly a highlight for me.
- [00:08:20.670]But this year our theme at the University of Nebraska
- [00:08:23.790]Lincoln for our MLK commemoration is a partial quote
- [00:08:27.900]that was taken from Dr. King's march on Washington speech.
- [00:08:31.080]It speaks on this fierce urgency of now.
- [00:08:34.380]The themes. Yes.
- [00:08:35.213]And the quote are really designed
- [00:08:36.960]to speak towards historic,
- [00:08:38.280]but also these kind of current issues of racial
- [00:08:40.980]and equity and justice in itself.
- [00:08:45.120]Intentionally thinking about the sociopolitical devices
- [00:08:47.490]missing our country and the role we all kind of play right
- [00:08:50.400]now, right, due to the severe nature
- [00:08:52.290]for the climate of our nation.
- [00:08:53.580]So your career, as we thought about this, the questions,
- [00:08:56.760]it really speaks towards a lot of this.
- [00:08:58.560]So I really wanna kick it off thinking about your work at
- [00:09:01.200]the Black Theatre United and issues of race that we see in
- [00:09:04.860]the theater that you probably have seen
- [00:09:06.090]throughout your career.
- [00:09:07.500]So my first question really surrounds it,
- [00:09:09.970]and I think you probably didn't ask this a lot
- [00:09:11.220]because the summer of 2020 change a lot for us
- [00:09:14.100]and how we think about race
- [00:09:15.660]and it's more salient for a lot of people now
- [00:09:17.370]since we saw that murder George Floyd.
- [00:09:19.260]But my question really is, so Black Theatre United
- [00:09:21.870]was founded in that summer 2020, the resulting protests,
- [00:09:26.730]there were calls for change.
- [00:09:28.230]How did the idea to come together as artists
- [00:09:31.050]really come about
- [00:09:32.160]and what were those initial conversations like
- [00:09:34.230]for you all?
- [00:09:36.210]Well, of course,
- [00:09:38.940]just especially as you're speaking,
- [00:09:40.920]George Floyd started it all really.
- [00:09:43.170]And one of the things that was different about George Floyd
- [00:09:49.320]than the countless other times that that has happened to
- [00:09:52.440]Black people in this country is that,
- [00:09:55.290]and it's one of the oddly the advantages,
- [00:09:58.980]the pluses of Covid.
- [00:10:01.770]And it's hard to find them because there were so many
- [00:10:03.810]minuses at that time.
- [00:10:05.880]But there was a perfect synchronicity of these factors that
- [00:10:12.480]lined up so that you had this terrible thing happen to
- [00:10:17.160]George Floyd.
- [00:10:18.330]You had this brave young woman that happened to be there
- [00:10:20.880]thanks to the technology that we have now,
- [00:10:23.130]and taped it on her phone and continued to tape it.
- [00:10:27.210]And almost immediately that got to our televisions.
- [00:10:30.240]We were almost watching it happen in real time,
- [00:10:33.300]thanks to the technology we have now.
- [00:10:38.310]Now because of the pandemic, everybody,
- [00:10:41.160]we were all stuck in our house.
- [00:10:44.160]And to see something cuz of TVs you were usually on,
- [00:10:47.880]all of a sudden that came on, on almost every channel.
- [00:10:51.030]And it was horrifying to see.
- [00:10:53.340]And it's something that again,
- [00:10:54.750]Black people, brown people,
- [00:10:56.130]people of color have been living this and talking about this
- [00:10:59.730]and discussing this and having to deal with this for
- [00:11:02.760]hundreds of years.
- [00:11:04.530]And another part of the country was having a hard time
- [00:11:08.430]really understanding that and really maybe believing it all
- [00:11:12.360]the way, or understanding the true horror of it,
- [00:11:15.480]or the true bear racism, hatred of it.
- [00:11:19.860]I think that was maybe more,
- [00:11:21.352]it's hard to grok that people could do something like that.
- [00:11:25.260]And here it was happening in front of our faces.
- [00:11:27.780]And what was different is that we couldn't view something
- [00:11:32.580]like that and go, oh my God, that was terrible.
- [00:11:34.830]That was awful.
- [00:11:36.180]I can't believe what I just saw.
- [00:11:37.530]Okay, we have tickets to the show now, so right,
- [00:11:40.320]we're gonna go to the show
- [00:11:41.520]or Hey, we gotta meet our friends at the bar.
- [00:11:43.230]We said we were gonna meet them.
- [00:11:44.520]Or hey, got that movie to go to, we're gonna do that.
- [00:11:47.100]Hey, I gotta study for class.
- [00:11:48.570]I got a study group going on.
- [00:11:50.730]It all stopped.
- [00:11:52.290]So we were all sitting in this meditation
- [00:11:56.070]of this moment that was replaying and replaying
- [00:11:58.410]and replaying and replaying and it made it really hard
- [00:12:02.910]for people to escape the reality of what they saw.
- [00:12:07.170]So it opened the door for a lot of organizations,
- [00:12:10.530]a lot of people that knew time to do something,
- [00:12:14.250]we gotta do something.
- [00:12:15.360]The way Black Theatre United started was,
- [00:12:18.720]it started kind of with the call of Audra McDonald,
- [00:12:21.810]LaChanze and Shelly.
- [00:12:24.210]Shelly Williams are director and the bunch,
- [00:12:28.500]and they were just all kind of talking and they were saying,
- [00:12:31.440]I'm mad, what can we do?
- [00:12:34.200]I'm mad, I'm mad.
- [00:12:37.410]And they started calling more friends
- [00:12:40.260]and more friends and more friends
- [00:12:42.330]and finally we had a group of about 20, 21, 22 people
- [00:12:49.530]and we started a conversation about
- [00:12:51.360]we need to do something about this.
- [00:12:52.740]What can we do with our position, our skill,
- [00:12:57.360]our talent, our ability to talk to press,
- [00:13:01.590]our connections that we have to our industry?
- [00:13:05.820]And it kicked off a series of conversations
- [00:13:09.060]about exactly that.
- [00:13:10.380]And we started adding other people to the group.
- [00:13:12.390]We need a writer.
- [00:13:13.223]Hey, I know Anna Deavere Smith,
- [00:13:14.880]let me call Anna and see if she wants to join us.
- [00:13:17.220]And she did.
- [00:13:18.480]What about Billy Porter, you know?
- [00:13:20.010]Yeah, Billy, Billy, Billy wants to come along.
- [00:13:22.350]And we started.
- [00:13:23.183]We need other people,
- [00:13:24.240]we need some crew members.
- [00:13:25.290]Carin Ford, the best sound mixer I've ever worked with
- [00:13:28.320]in the business and probably everybody else.
- [00:13:31.170]And so we called Carin Ford, Carin Ford became that.
- [00:13:34.560]And we have a lot of other people that
- [00:13:37.050]I'm assure a lot of names, Vanessa Williams, Norm Lewis,
- [00:13:43.410]Wendell Smith,
- [00:13:44.310]who's doing on Broadway right now in Death of a Salesman
- [00:13:48.180]and all of these people with a huge amount of experience.
- [00:13:51.120]We kind of realized during one of the meetings we were
- [00:13:53.370]joking amongst ourselves saying,
- [00:13:55.380]wow, you realize we have like five,
- [00:13:57.210]600 years of experience on Broadway between all of us.
- [00:14:01.380]And it became an advantage because it helped define who we
- [00:14:04.560]were gonna be.
- [00:14:05.550]What kind of started all of this
- [00:14:08.010]was a document called the We See You White American Theater
- [00:14:11.580]document and you can Google that
- [00:14:13.590]if you're not a familiar with it.
- [00:14:15.390]They go by, I think you can Google it by the initials only.
- [00:14:18.660]I'm not gonna go through that now.
- [00:14:20.070]But We See White American Theater or that.
- [00:14:23.010]And there's a document that they came up with,
- [00:14:24.870]which was a set of demands,
- [00:14:26.370]A list of demands saying We See You White American Theater,
- [00:14:29.220]you are not diverse,
- [00:14:30.641]you are not what you sometimes claim that you are
- [00:14:35.340]not in your cast, not in your backstage,
- [00:14:37.470]not with your vendors,
- [00:14:38.610]not on your staffs, not on your boards.
- [00:14:41.220]And something is wrong here.
- [00:14:42.900]And we have a list of demands.
- [00:14:44.910]This was a (indistinct) group,
- [00:14:46.230]not just the Black group from the representatives of
- [00:14:50.827]people of color, basically.
- [00:14:52.860]And it was frightening.
- [00:14:54.420]And it got the attention of all of the theaters that said,
- [00:14:57.641]they're talking about us, they're talking about me,
- [00:14:59.218]they're talking about us.
- [00:15:00.570]Which was great because it got their attention.
- [00:15:03.060]The disadvantage of We See White American Theater was that
- [00:15:06.110]it was an anonymous group because the people who wrote it
- [00:15:11.010]were many of them people that are very active in the theater
- [00:15:14.640]scenes and in regional theaters, for instance,
- [00:15:17.190]running these.
- [00:15:18.023]And they didn't want to jeopardize their positions,
- [00:15:20.490]but they knew all the insight information about
- [00:15:22.620]what was going on.
- [00:15:24.030]So they were anonymous.
- [00:15:25.350]So the disadvantage then was it was hard to have a
- [00:15:27.750]conversation or figure out what to do or now where do we go?
- [00:15:31.290]So a number of groups started BAC, BTC
- [00:15:36.990]and our group was among those
- [00:15:39.420]and we were all (audio cuts out speaker)
- [00:15:43.860]different skills.
- [00:15:45.990]Life is a puzzle.
- [00:15:47.190]We all have a piece of it and sometimes we think
- [00:15:50.010]we are the puzzle, but we're not.
- [00:15:52.500]We're just a piece.
- [00:15:53.730]And that's how we felt as BTU,
- [00:15:56.280]this is our piece, this is what we can be,
- [00:15:58.073]we don't have to be anonymous.
- [00:16:00.240]And because we have all this experience,
- [00:16:03.180]we have an ability to get people together
- [00:16:06.150]because we've worked with all the producers
- [00:16:08.040]and writers, costume designers,
- [00:16:10.350]the people that we wanted to gather.
- [00:16:12.390]And we decided let's have a gathering of all of these people
- [00:16:15.600]that as far as I know in the history of the theater,
- [00:16:17.430]never been gathered before or sometimes together,
- [00:16:22.050]negotiating with each other
- [00:16:23.460]in not such friendly positions.
- [00:16:25.980]But we got the theater owners, the producers, designers,
- [00:16:28.890]casting directors,
- [00:16:29.910]all of the unions and all of these different groups of
- [00:16:33.840]people together because they also wanted to know
- [00:16:36.960]what do we do?
- [00:16:38.190]We gotta fix (audio cuts out speaker).
- [00:16:46.200]It seems like the sound went out
- [00:16:47.730]just a second.
- [00:16:50.040]Am I here?
- [00:16:50.954]Am I back?
- [00:16:51.787]You're back.
- [00:16:52.830]Great, terrific.
- [00:16:55.290]So what was great was we found out there are a lot of allies
- [00:17:01.200]wanted to do something and what we had,
- [00:17:04.980]because of George Floyd
- [00:17:06.210]and this terrible moment that we were in history,
- [00:17:09.240]we all felt the door open just a little bit.
- [00:17:13.020]All right, let's get our foot in the door
- [00:17:15.330]and let's keep that door open as long as we can
- [00:17:18.000]and get it little bit wider so we can
- [00:17:20.400]start these conversations that need to be happening
- [00:17:23.340]that now people are primed for that weren't industry
- [00:17:27.180]an industry, our industry and others as well.
- [00:17:30.090]They wanted to do EDIAB training,
- [00:17:32.070]but ours performing arts Broadway specifically
- [00:17:35.580]wanted to as well.
- [00:17:36.990]So it was an opportunity to start this conversation cuz this
- [00:17:40.770]is something we all need to work on together.
- [00:17:43.380]It's not just a conversation for by about Black people.
- [00:17:47.130]It's a conversation about all us together
- [00:17:50.250]because it's all of us together (indistinct)
- [00:17:52.290]where we're having the issues.
- [00:17:54.240]So how do all of us together fix this and make this better?
- [00:17:58.800]So we started this conversation first
- [00:18:00.930]with regional theaters, the Lord Theaters
- [00:18:03.412]and got all a bunch of regional theaters together.
- [00:18:07.470]And that was kind of almost like the rehearsal,
- [00:18:09.570]but not really,
- [00:18:10.403]I hate to call it that because we didn't know that this
- [00:18:12.180]would be leading to Broadway and getting all the Broadway
- [00:18:15.390]people together, as I said.
- [00:18:17.100]And we have something that became known as
- [00:18:19.650]the New Deal for Broadway.
- [00:18:20.910]You can also find that online
- [00:18:22.560]or under the New Deal for Broadway or on the BTU website.
- [00:18:26.550]And it laid out EDIAB practices
- [00:18:32.910]inclusion, diversity, equity,
- [00:18:36.420]belonging and accessibility are what the AB are for.
- [00:18:41.220]Issues on, what do we do?
- [00:18:43.857]How do we fix this, what do we need to do?
- [00:18:45.720]What are the steps we need to make?
- [00:18:47.280]And I was just in a meeting this morning called the seven G
- [00:18:49.560]committee and most every producer signed onto it,
- [00:18:53.730]all of the theater owners signed onto it.
- [00:18:57.660]I don't know what the percentage is,
- [00:18:59.040]but it's was overwhelmingly signed onto by everybody from
- [00:19:02.400]Broadway that wanna be a part of it.
- [00:19:04.080]And we continue to work on it to this day to refine it,
- [00:19:07.140]to make sure the things are happening,
- [00:19:08.610]to make sure everybody has support.
- [00:19:10.980]So that's a very long answer for your short question,
- [00:19:13.350]but it's kind of a long story and I wanted to kind of
- [00:19:16.260]be able to explain where we began and where we are now
- [00:19:20.580]and how we got there.
- [00:19:22.236]Which is amazing to hear.
- [00:19:24.240]I mean, we saw this happening, right?
- [00:19:26.250]As you mentioned going through this,
- [00:19:28.170]I think helps us to understand there was a lot of
- [00:19:30.510]intentionality behind this.
- [00:19:31.980]You mentioned earlier the amount of years
- [00:19:34.020]and we're collectively adding all of these performers,
- [00:19:36.960]five, 600 years for worth a body of work.
- [00:19:40.407]And I think part of what we saw that summer
- [00:19:43.260]and then we continue to see is this movement
- [00:19:46.140]towards really thinking about our history.
- [00:19:48.600]It's very complicated.
- [00:19:50.130]And part of that has been to think about
- [00:19:52.440]landmarks, monuments and what they mean for all people.
- [00:19:56.610]Right?
- [00:19:57.443]I told you a little bit earlier that I was born and raised
- [00:19:59.820]in Mississippi and for many years there have been landmarks
- [00:20:03.900]named after actual enslaved people owners.
- [00:20:07.830]And so part of this,
- [00:20:08.760]especially with the Black Theatre United,
- [00:20:10.680]when you all have started to think about,
- [00:20:12.270]was getting Broadway's kind of major landlords to agree to
- [00:20:15.480]rename certain theaters to recognize the contributions of
- [00:20:18.450]Black artists, which I thought was really fascinating.
- [00:20:21.630]So what was it like to be a part of the official opening
- [00:20:24.870]of the newly renamed James Earl Jones theater.
- [00:20:29.340]And Lena Horn Theater as well,
- [00:20:31.141]it was really moving, it was really exciting.
- [00:20:35.580]We felt like we were standing in a moment of history
- [00:20:40.020]that we got to be a little part of as well.
- [00:20:44.340]One of the things that we did during our meetings
- [00:20:46.470]and before as just a Black Theatre United,
- [00:20:49.200]we thought, what do we want?
- [00:20:52.200]What are we trying to accomplish?
- [00:20:53.790]We can't just be a group of these people,
- [00:20:55.680]we gotta have goals.
- [00:20:57.299]So we put together a strategic plan, we put together goals,
- [00:21:00.450]we put together this list of things that we wanted to bring
- [00:21:03.390]to all of these other allies that we're meeting
- [00:21:05.730]with us in the theater.
- [00:21:07.140]And most of them loved these ideas and it was just okay.
- [00:21:12.030]And they also brought ideas to the table as well.
- [00:21:15.060]So, and one of those ideas,
- [00:21:17.250]of course was to see theaters named
- [00:21:20.490]by people of color and Black people.
- [00:21:23.730]And also by the way, I want to kind of give credit back to
- [00:21:27.450]We See You White American Theater
- [00:21:28.950]because they were mentioning some other things like this.
- [00:21:31.530]One of the things that they mentioned that now we're seeing
- [00:21:33.750]happen in a lot of places is land rights.
- [00:21:36.510]Whose land are we on?
- [00:21:38.460]I speak to you now from the land of
- [00:21:41.217]the Munsee Lenape Indians who were the people
- [00:21:44.790]that lived here in Manhattan where I am right now.
- [00:21:48.090]And it's acknowledging that this country was formed by some
- [00:21:54.690]incredible and sometimes nefarious ways and especially when
- [00:22:00.150]it comes to the native people that were already here when
- [00:22:03.870]the country was discovered,
- [00:22:07.320]giving them back their due and their contributions.
- [00:22:12.240]One of the interesting things that,
- [00:22:13.560]I'm going off on a little tangent now that I had been
- [00:22:16.170]delving into is the contribution of the Iroquois Nation
- [00:22:20.550]to our republic to the United States.
- [00:22:24.510]Most of us, I was taught in school at least that
- [00:22:28.710]our system of democracy is based on the Greeks
- [00:22:32.490]and the Senate and all of that.
- [00:22:34.650]And what happened early on when the forefathers were putting
- [00:22:37.770]our constitution together,
- [00:22:39.660]they looked around at the Iroquois Nation,
- [00:22:41.790]which was largely the eastern seaboard,
- [00:22:44.160]there are many different clans of the nation.
- [00:22:47.430]And they said,
- [00:22:49.740]Hey, we noticed you guys are getting along pretty well,
- [00:22:52.530]just how exactly are they working that out?
- [00:22:55.631]And they had a conference where they came in
- [00:22:58.860]and talked to these leaders of the United States
- [00:23:02.400]and explained how they set up their system of governance.
- [00:23:06.870]And the United States system of governance
- [00:23:09.990]is largely based on that.
- [00:23:12.120]And it wasn't until, and forgive me the date may be wrong,
- [00:23:15.030]but it was relatively late,
- [00:23:16.380]like 1985 when Congress finally passed a resolution saying
- [00:23:21.870]thank you to the Iroquois Nation
- [00:23:24.330]for your contribution to our government,
- [00:23:27.240]took that long for them to say that.
- [00:23:29.190]So that's something that we are coming around
- [00:23:32.879]to acknowledge not only the contributions
- [00:23:37.530]of Black people, but the original Americans,
- [00:23:42.330]the original people that were here on that land
- [00:23:44.490]that were not of course named Americans.
- [00:23:46.230]They had all these wonderful tribal names that we've mostly
- [00:23:49.080]wiped out and forgotten.
- [00:23:50.580]So it's great that we're bringing that back
- [00:23:52.283]in this kind of indigenous knowledge and respect
- [00:23:57.120]and understanding of our country.
- [00:23:58.950]So largely I think what this movement is about
- [00:24:02.490]is kind of returning to our indigenous roots of each of us,
- [00:24:07.830]whatever that may be, and which is a collective,
- [00:24:11.010]which is a tribal consciousness.
- [00:24:12.780]It's not a me consciousness.
- [00:24:14.730]I want to screw everybody else.
- [00:24:16.260]I want to be on top.
- [00:24:17.460]I want to win.
- [00:24:18.330]I want to be the richest,
- [00:24:19.620]I want to be the most powerful.
- [00:24:21.480]Indigenous cultures are about the tribe
- [00:24:24.060]when they're making decisions.
- [00:24:25.380]I know many of the Native American tribes,
- [00:24:27.480]if not all of them,
- [00:24:28.740]one of the things that I love about them
- [00:24:30.600]is when they're making the decision about something,
- [00:24:32.910]they're making a decision to figure out how does that affect
- [00:24:35.970]seven generations from now.
- [00:24:38.670]The decision that we are gonna make right now.
- [00:24:41.220]It's a different way of thought and it's a different way.
- [00:24:43.830]There's not a me it's about an us
- [00:24:46.200]and it's about your connection to the planet
- [00:24:48.210]that is nurturing you.
- [00:24:49.530]It's about a different way of living.
- [00:24:51.180]And I see, thanks to again,
- [00:24:53.490]all of these things that have been happening,
- [00:24:55.290]people are starting to search all of these philosophies,
- [00:25:00.480]these connections out and from all over the world,
- [00:25:04.080]from all over the indigenous people of all over the world
- [00:25:06.900]in Africa and in the northern climbs
- [00:25:11.190]and the inner widths and in all over
- [00:25:15.870]it's kind of a nice thing.
- [00:25:17.160]There's an awakening I feel that is happening
- [00:25:20.760]amongst all of us.
- [00:25:22.510]We're really trying to figure out how do we live together?
- [00:25:25.200]This isn't working?
- [00:25:26.220]Being all this divisiveness.
- [00:25:28.710]And this kind of leads me here,
- [00:25:30.510]especially as you're thinking about our history,
- [00:25:33.150]especially the erasure of native indigenous people,
- [00:25:35.757]the new genocide of peoples rights.
- [00:25:38.670]And after that summer of 2020 we call it many things.
- [00:25:41.820]There was a reckoning, a racial reckoning,
- [00:25:43.500]A number of things we've called it.
- [00:25:45.420]And now we're we're entering year three
- [00:25:48.360]of being removed from that summer.
- [00:25:50.100]Right?
- [00:25:51.621]And I love the fact that you mentioned the things
- [00:25:52.890]you are doing,
- [00:25:53.723]strategic plans like this is a really thoughtful way
- [00:25:55.920]that you are approaching this.
- [00:25:57.480]So in your view,
- [00:25:59.220]has there really been real change in the American theater
- [00:26:02.340]since that racial reckoning of 2020?
- [00:26:05.160]And if so, like what progress have you seen, if any?
- [00:26:09.330]Yes, I would say absolutely there has been,
- [00:26:12.510]and depending on where you are,
- [00:26:14.520]it's different in different places
- [00:26:15.840]because there are some theaters
- [00:26:17.610]for talking theater countrywide.
- [00:26:19.890]There are some communities where theater is
- [00:26:22.350]where it's more homogenous.
- [00:26:24.960]So it's kind of a different way of working that,
- [00:26:27.210]whereas you're in New York City or Chicago or big city,
- [00:26:31.260]some of the places where you're living amongst the world.
- [00:26:34.680]And so the methodology of making all this happen
- [00:26:39.930]is different.
- [00:26:40.763]And it's easier in a sense to have these conversations
- [00:26:44.010]cuz you're around lots of people
- [00:26:45.870]who wanna make these conversations happen.
- [00:26:48.180]And certainly that's true here in New York City.
- [00:26:51.960]I would say if you look at the Tony Awards,
- [00:26:54.780]the Tony Awards for the last few years
- [00:26:57.638]with the league that put that together,
- [00:27:00.660]they've been very conscious
- [00:27:01.950]and their people by the way, Charlotte St. Martin,
- [00:27:05.550]Heather Hitchens are part of our allies that have been in
- [00:27:08.970]with these conferences with BTU from the beginning
- [00:27:13.410]and realize, hey, what can we do?
- [00:27:14.970]And they've been enthusiastic about seeing change made.
- [00:27:17.940]So you've seen a lot of people on screen,
- [00:27:20.430]but what you haven't seen is there's a lot of people
- [00:27:22.500]backstage because that's the other thing we're working on,
- [00:27:25.290]is we just don't wanna see faces out front.
- [00:27:27.420]That's really important.
- [00:27:29.070]What about the jobs, what about the crew members?
- [00:27:31.680]What about the camera people,
- [00:27:33.060]then the mic people?
- [00:27:34.230]What about the people doing publicity?
- [00:27:36.270]There's a whole larger group of Broadway
- [00:27:40.530]and show business then what you see on your screen,
- [00:27:43.320]we're just seeing the actors if we're aware,
- [00:27:45.330]we're also hearing the music
- [00:27:47.010]and we're hearing some other things.
- [00:27:48.780]But mostly it's about the actors,
- [00:27:50.490]Hey, stop and look at the credits after
- [00:27:53.760]the new Avatar movie.
- [00:27:55.110]And you'll be sitting there for about another three hours
- [00:27:58.020]as you see these thousands of people
- [00:28:00.990]go by that are working together to make something
- [00:28:04.230]incredible happen.
- [00:28:05.310]And now just hold on.
- [00:28:11.280]I just got squirrel.
- [00:28:13.770]Sometimes my brain starts working faster than my mouth
- [00:28:16.685](speaker laughing) and I just hit one of those moments.
- [00:28:18.480]Where was I going with this?
- [00:28:19.890]Get me back on track Nkenge.
- [00:28:21.720]I'm really thinking about that progress
- [00:28:23.370]that you've seen.
- [00:28:24.203]You're kind of noting some of the things that you've seen
- [00:28:26.250]since summer of 2020.
- [00:28:28.350]That's the kinda where you were headed.
- [00:28:29.820]Yes, right. I was talking about all the people
- [00:28:31.680]that are now working backstage as well as on stage
- [00:28:36.186]and we have mentorship programs as well
- [00:28:39.690]that we've started, now hearing an echo from me.
- [00:28:44.940]We have mentorship programs where we're helping people with
- [00:28:48.810]the Williamstown Theater Festival
- [00:28:50.850]is where we did a mentorship program.
- [00:28:54.150]And also just did another for
- [00:28:58.800]people who wanted to be publicist.
- [00:29:00.570]They were interested in publicity
- [00:29:02.610]and many of those who were part of the mentorship program
- [00:29:04.980]have now been hired by those companies
- [00:29:08.430]and are working there.
- [00:29:09.630]So we see that there's an enthusiastic group of people
- [00:29:14.970]that want to continue this and make this happen.
- [00:29:18.930]And that was our main thing that we wanted to do.
- [00:29:21.233]And why is strategic plan was so important.
- [00:29:24.840]We wanna be here for our children and our grandchildren
- [00:29:30.660]and our great grandchildren.
- [00:29:32.496]And we hope that once we pass on,
- [00:29:35.250]somebody else will take on the mantle.
- [00:29:38.730]Like the NAACP, what you've seen,
- [00:29:40.890]it's passed through all of these generations
- [00:29:43.380]in different hands,
- [00:29:44.520]but the organization has stayed the same.
- [00:29:46.380]So that's what we were kind of looking to do.
- [00:29:48.824]And I'm glad to see there's an enthusiastic group of allies
- [00:29:52.297]that also wanna do that with us.
- [00:29:55.260]So thank you.
- [00:29:56.093]I do wanna think about part of the excitement
- [00:29:59.400]I think in having this conversation with you
- [00:30:01.500]is thinking about the multiple layers here
- [00:30:04.020]associated with your work.
- [00:30:05.100]Right?
- [00:30:05.933]And I do kinda wanna shift to your career
- [00:30:07.290]and I know there's so many people who perhaps
- [00:30:09.480]joined us tonight and they were first introduced to you
- [00:30:12.660]in different ways.
- [00:30:13.493]Some of us perhaps from television,
- [00:30:15.000]some of us actual your performance on the stage.
- [00:30:17.340]There's so many different ways.
- [00:30:18.870]But I do wanna think about,
- [00:30:20.070]or my question really surrounds your work on Broadway.
- [00:30:23.130]You've been consistent on Broadway of course
- [00:30:26.670]since the late 80s.
- [00:30:28.320]You've often played roles that rarely had if ever been
- [00:30:31.680]performed by a Black actor.
- [00:30:33.180]That includes Kiss Me Kate, Man of La Mancha,
- [00:30:36.330]South Pacifics, Sweeny Todd, you know others.
- [00:30:39.630]Many young Black artists sometimes cite you as a performer
- [00:30:44.430]who opened doors and artists who opened doors
- [00:30:46.710]and made it possible for them to see themselves on Broadway.
- [00:30:50.700]Do you feel that's part of your legacy as a performer?
- [00:30:56.160]I didn't feel necessarily that was a thing
- [00:30:58.800]that I was conscious of doing
- [00:31:02.190]while I was doing it, I was aware,
- [00:31:05.580]but it wasn't something that I was...
- [00:31:10.080]I come from kind of an activist family.
- [00:31:13.350]So this has been part of my upbringing
- [00:31:16.500]and get me back on track
- [00:31:17.670]cuz I'm gonna go off on a little tangent now.
- [00:31:19.290]And I want to get back to answer your question.
- [00:31:22.980]My mother was a Spelman girl
- [00:31:25.710]and she had a master's degree in sociology.
- [00:31:28.770]And when I was born, it was in Seattle, Washington.
- [00:31:31.440]And before I was born in 1955,
- [00:31:34.710]my mother was asked by the NAACP
- [00:31:38.010]to become a policewoman.
- [00:31:40.020]And my mother was the last person in the world that you
- [00:31:42.600]would ever think would become a police woman.
- [00:31:44.760]But they needed a Black woman to be able to represent in
- [00:31:48.750]especially domestic abuse cases and violence cases,
- [00:31:53.280]to represent and kind of
- [00:31:59.310]shepherd the African American population there as well.
- [00:32:03.450]And my mother did not wanna do it.
- [00:32:05.100]And they said, you know what,
- [00:32:06.780]this'll break the glass ceiling.
- [00:32:08.160]Please do this.
- [00:32:09.030]You're the right person, right Qualifications.
- [00:32:11.430]And I have pictures
- [00:32:14.070]they're up here on my bookshelf somewhere
- [00:32:16.470]of my mother in a book that somebody recently wrote
- [00:32:19.800]in her police car with her winter jacket on in her purse
- [00:32:24.330]where they kept their guns at that time.
- [00:32:27.990]And so she did that when I was a child.
- [00:32:34.050]I was born in 1957 and that's what I remember.
- [00:32:37.410]My grandfather,
- [00:32:39.120]her father was the head of the NAACP in Spokane, Washington.
- [00:32:44.820]If you remember Rachel Dolezal,
- [00:32:47.700]the woman who was like a kind of a (indistinct),
- [00:32:50.370]this came out a number of years ago.
- [00:32:52.890]That was the one that my grandfather founded
- [00:32:56.760]and he was the president
- [00:32:58.050]and they switched off the presidency
- [00:32:59.700]with a few other gentlemen.
- [00:33:01.260]And it's interesting because while I was doing Ragtime,
- [00:33:04.350]I had a picture that was hanging in our house,
- [00:33:07.710]my grandfather's house, a Booker T. Washington.
- [00:33:10.050]It was a common picture that a lot of Black households had.
- [00:33:13.290]And I got this and I hung it in my dressing room
- [00:33:15.840]since Booker T Washington is of course
- [00:33:17.580]one of the characters in Ragtime.
- [00:33:20.520]I found out during opening night when my brother and sister
- [00:33:23.640]were having a discussion that Booker T. Washington
- [00:33:26.460]had been a frequent visitor to my grandfather.
- [00:33:29.700]And we had (indistinct) of letters
- [00:33:31.680]from Booker T. Washington.
- [00:33:33.420]So my grandfather was doing that work as well.
- [00:33:38.550]My father was a Tuskegee Airman and he taught radio code and
- [00:33:43.620]blinker code in Moton Field in Tuskegee, Alabama as well.
- [00:33:47.460]And remained a Tuskegee airman all his life,
- [00:33:49.740]even though he was an actual pilot.
- [00:33:51.840]As one of the teachers, he was part of that group.
- [00:33:55.290]And they had like BTU, they had scholarship programs,
- [00:33:58.500]all kinds of things that they did.
- [00:34:00.420]So this kind of activism (audio cuts out speaker)
- [00:34:03.690]kinda of tacitly taught to me cuz it was never
- [00:34:07.530]shouted about in my house.
- [00:34:09.270]My father was a 19 World War II father
- [00:34:13.440]and they were very quiet about their accomplishments
- [00:34:16.800]and my mother as well,
- [00:34:18.360]but we were aware of it.
- [00:34:20.610]So now go back to your original question
- [00:34:23.310]cuz this is the thread that
- [00:34:24.540]I need to tie those back together now.
- [00:34:27.021]So the original question really surrounds,
- [00:34:28.830]do you feel that this is a part of your legacy as a
- [00:34:31.110]performer?
- [00:34:31.980]Really, people...
- [00:34:32.813]Thank you, yes.
- [00:34:34.320]So yes, even though I didn't,
- [00:34:36.180]I think like my parents didn't think this is...
- [00:34:40.110]It was a choice that was made,
- [00:34:42.270]but it wasn't the foremost thing in my mind.
- [00:34:45.450]I always, I think felt a responsibility
- [00:34:48.360]to represent in a particular way,
- [00:34:50.490]in a certain way.
- [00:34:51.889]And one of the gifts my parents gave me
- [00:34:55.650]is the gift of freedom.
- [00:34:57.030]Hey, be what you wanna be, do what you wanna do,
- [00:35:00.420]love who you wanna love and be helpful
- [00:35:04.840]and they gave me a freedom to explore
- [00:35:08.370]and march to the beat of my own drummer
- [00:35:10.260]and do it in the way that was best for me to do.
- [00:35:13.080]And I just happened to be at the right place
- [00:35:15.150]at the right time when they were
- [00:35:16.320]casting Roots: The Next Generations.
- [00:35:18.150]And that put me on the map,
- [00:35:19.830]which was the follow up to Roots.
- [00:35:21.660]And I got one of the lead roles in the first show of that
- [00:35:24.810]when I was 17 or 18 years old.
- [00:35:28.560]And that started a career with White Shadow
- [00:35:30.960]and a bunch of other things.
- [00:35:32.100]And I was at the right place at the right time.
- [00:35:34.620]So I just seemed to be one of those.
- [00:35:37.050]And there are others like me that were also
- [00:35:39.450]doing the same thing and representing as well.
- [00:35:42.030]And so that's been a part of my consciousness.
- [00:35:46.500]And now what makes me feel amazing is when I go to shows and
- [00:35:52.710]I go backstage and talk to the cast and having those cast
- [00:35:55.710]members do exactly what you say and say,
- [00:35:58.080]I got on the theater because of you.
- [00:35:59.940]I've never seen a person that looks like me on the stage.
- [00:36:03.360]And I realize, oh I can do that too.
- [00:36:05.610]And it's kind of what my mother was put there to do as a
- [00:36:08.010]policewoman to break that ceiling.
- [00:36:10.650]Even if that ceiling is in our own minds,
- [00:36:12.900]our own consciousness, you know,
- [00:36:14.280]there's a way that we gotta break through all of that.
- [00:36:16.350]And also the consciousness of others to see that.
- [00:36:19.920]An interesting postscript to my mother's story,
- [00:36:22.080]when I was reading this book,
- [00:36:23.700]I was very disheartened to see,
- [00:36:25.260]I think the second Black police woman in Seattle,
- [00:36:27.750]Washington was in 1975.
- [00:36:31.740]Oh my.
- [00:36:32.573]That was 20 years later.
- [00:36:35.010]It took them that long to have a,
- [00:36:36.597]and it was like, oh
- [00:36:37.530]that's a little dis disheartening to me to see.
- [00:36:39.780]But progress is still made and there are more Black police
- [00:36:42.660]women there now than there were.
- [00:36:44.370]And so sometimes things go on their own time
- [00:36:47.880]and it not only takes perseverance, takes patience.
- [00:36:51.690]Absolutely.
- [00:36:52.890]And I think part of what we've been thinking about,
- [00:36:56.130]especially if we thought about your career
- [00:36:58.620]we got a number of questions and this kind of really
- [00:37:00.540]connects to where we are today,
- [00:37:02.340]apparently today is the 20th anniversary of Ragtime
- [00:37:06.150]opening on Broadway.
- [00:37:07.584](speaker is laughing) I didn't know that.
- [00:37:10.103]That's amazing, wow (speaker is laughing).
- [00:37:11.730]Yes.
- [00:37:12.563]Did you do our homework?
- [00:37:14.250]This also was the role that you earned
- [00:37:16.200]your first Tony nomination, correct?
- [00:37:19.290]Yes.
- [00:37:20.123]Okay.
- [00:37:20.956]So with this conversation really coming
- [00:37:22.470]as part of our MLK week,
- [00:37:23.790]which I mentioned earlier,
- [00:37:25.380]we'd really be (indistinct) if we didn't mention Ragtime.
- [00:37:28.380]It's a story in 1902.
- [00:37:30.750]it opened in Broadway in 1998.
- [00:37:33.540]And so much of what we saw there is really relevant today.
- [00:37:38.310]Where do you think that show fits
- [00:37:40.770]into the American musical history?
- [00:37:43.590]You still often perform Wheels Of A Dream
- [00:37:46.530]or Make Them Hear You.
- [00:37:47.790]Yes.
- [00:37:48.750]Do they feel any different to you now?
- [00:37:52.530]Yes, yes.
- [00:37:54.101](audio cuts out speaker)
- [00:38:04.042]Am I back, can you hear me?
- [00:38:05.103]Yes, I can hear you.
- [00:38:06.690]Great.
- [00:38:09.630]That show, yes,
- [00:38:10.620]that show has a special place not only in my heart
- [00:38:13.920]and in my life and in my consciousness.
- [00:38:16.260]It seems to have been the same thing
- [00:38:19.560]for the country as well.
- [00:38:21.870]Every now and then,
- [00:38:24.480]what I like to call a zeitgeist show seems to come along
- [00:38:28.290]the spirit of the time.
- [00:38:29.670]And it's something that captured the spirit of the time
- [00:38:32.490]as well.
- [00:38:34.470]Looking back on early 1900s America that was still
- [00:38:43.320]resonant when we did the show 25 years ago
- [00:38:47.220]and is still resonant now.
- [00:38:49.320]And that's kind of one of the messages of the show
- [00:38:54.570]is that we're still working on this as a country.
- [00:38:57.540]This is a difficult and complicated struggle
- [00:39:01.590]that we are all having here.
- [00:39:04.101]And so I think the show is more relevant now than ever.
- [00:39:09.450]One of the things during the election before this one,
- [00:39:14.850]I talked to Steven and Lynn and I said,
- [00:39:18.210]Hey, I have an idea.
- [00:39:19.200]I want to do a video that I put up,
- [00:39:21.420]but I've taken down since for getting out the vote.
- [00:39:25.560]And so I made a video,
- [00:39:28.800]I basically used icons from Black History
- [00:39:33.150]and I sang Make Them Hear You under it.
- [00:39:36.750]And then the very last thing that I had
- [00:39:38.610]is when I finished it.
- [00:39:39.570]It said Vote because that was an opportunity
- [00:39:44.913]that we had to make things change.
- [00:39:47.370]And of course things changed, which was very, very good.
- [00:39:52.830]So that song and before that,
- [00:39:56.160]some other people I had noticed online had already
- [00:39:59.070]adopted that and started using that
- [00:40:01.830]for other activist endeavors.
- [00:40:07.380]And I think I love that song.
- [00:40:12.630]I love that show, what it's about.
- [00:40:14.730]And I think it is
- [00:40:15.600]just as important and it speaks to us,
- [00:40:22.410]just as loudly as it did when the movie first came out,
- [00:40:25.890]which was another 20 years probably
- [00:40:27.630]before we did our production and the book also,
- [00:40:31.830]which was probably another five or 10 years before that.
- [00:40:35.130]It's a book and a story that continues to speak to us.
- [00:40:38.700]So to this day,
- [00:40:40.560]it is the most magical production that I have been in.
- [00:40:43.890]The reactions of the audiences.
- [00:40:45.480]I've got incredible letters from people in the audience
- [00:40:49.512]and just have some incredible personal experiences
- [00:40:53.610]with that show that I could go into if you want.
- [00:40:55.680]But I also want to answer some questions that people have.
- [00:40:58.800]Absolutely.
- [00:41:00.900]So as someone who has played so many of the great leading
- [00:41:03.690]men on stage, is there a role you'd still love to play?
- [00:41:11.130]You just popped out a little,
- [00:41:11.963]did you say, is there a role
- [00:41:13.230]that I would still love to play?
- [00:41:14.343]Yes, yes.
- [00:41:16.860]There are two,
- [00:41:17.693]well actually one is one that I already played,
- [00:41:19.740]which was Sweeney Todd,
- [00:41:20.850]which I did at in Repertory with a bunch of other shows for
- [00:41:25.020]like the Sondheim's 75th birthday celebration
- [00:41:27.360]in Washington DC and in Kennedy Center,
- [00:41:33.210]which you mentioned earlier on.
- [00:41:34.530]And because it was done in repertory with other shows,
- [00:41:37.440]I only did like 14 performances of it.
- [00:41:39.510]But I think it's Sondheim's master work
- [00:41:42.840]and Christine Baranski was my Mrs. Lovett
- [00:41:45.780]and we had a blast and I remember the curtain going
- [00:41:48.180]down after A Little Priest.
- [00:41:50.250]And when the audience for our first audience,
- [00:41:53.610]I remember Christine and I just went looking at each other,
- [00:41:57.930]we felt like rock stars.
- [00:41:59.700]That audience was so crazy because they were Rabid Sondheim
- [00:42:03.480]fans and they loved the show and I think we were happy that
- [00:42:06.570]they loved our performance of it as well.
- [00:42:08.670]But I've rarely heard an ovation like that before.
- [00:42:12.180]And that's a role that I could explore for a long time.
- [00:42:15.870]It's gonna be done here, it's gonna be revived.
- [00:42:18.270]Josh Groban I think is doing it.
- [00:42:20.130]So as I said,
- [00:42:22.050]that's one of the things I would love to do that on Broadway
- [00:42:24.330]with a full orchestra.
- [00:42:25.500]So hopefully he'll have his own full orchestra
- [00:42:27.420]and we'll get to see his Sweeney Todd with that again.
- [00:42:29.580]And I even got my taste so I'm fine with that.
- [00:42:31.980]The other thing though is a show that I'd say I've been
- [00:42:34.170]working on for about
- [00:42:35.310]oh eight years as I think when I started on,
- [00:42:37.800]it's a one man show kind of about lots of different things.
- [00:42:41.730]It's about life in general, it's about my life specifically.
- [00:42:44.670]It's about lots of different things that kind of interest me
- [00:42:48.630]cuz I have a very curious mind
- [00:42:50.550]and I realized as I started putting the show together,
- [00:42:54.450]I've had a very unusual life and I've been in some amazing
- [00:42:58.230]situations and met presidents
- [00:43:00.750]and been to different countries
- [00:43:04.260]and I just got back from Egypt by the way,
- [00:43:06.780]just only a week ago,
- [00:43:08.250]which another mind blowing vacation.
- [00:43:12.000]But I've had these unusual opportunities to do things at
- [00:43:15.300]unusual times and I thought,
- [00:43:18.000]oh, this could be an interesting show.
- [00:43:19.860]So it's a show that's been crystallizing in the last
- [00:43:24.060]probably three or four months kind of during Covid, again,
- [00:43:27.180]probably a one of those blessings of Covid
- [00:43:30.630]cuz I've had the time to think about it more than usual.
- [00:43:34.020]So it's a one man show kind of about a about
- [00:43:37.920]a lot of different things.
- [00:43:39.060]But I think I finally figured out what is it really about
- [00:43:42.270]and what's the form and how am I gonna do this?
- [00:43:46.140]It's kind of what I'm doing.
- [00:43:47.430]It's the concert that I'll be doing there.
- [00:43:49.740]Is not far from that
- [00:43:53.520]cuz I'll be doing some of that material
- [00:43:55.350]and you'll get an idea.
- [00:43:56.460]The concert that I'm doing there is loosely called,
- [00:43:59.700]I've been doing it for a number of months now.
- [00:44:01.860]I gave it a loose title called Songs and Stories
- [00:44:05.190]because it allows me to not only sing some songs,
- [00:44:08.850]great songs that I love and people want to hear.
- [00:44:11.280]It allows me to tell some interesting stories about them.
- [00:44:15.030]I talk about Billy Strayhorn for instance.
- [00:44:17.370]I do one a song that he wrote,
- [00:44:19.020]so I get to kind of expose his life and talk about that
- [00:44:22.410]and all kinds of different things.
- [00:44:23.910]It's kind of whatever pops into my head
- [00:44:26.280]and it's really nice.
- [00:44:27.240]It's why I love doing one man shows,
- [00:44:29.070]but there are so many interesting stories to tell,
- [00:44:32.370]not only about things that have happened to me,
- [00:44:34.440]but about other people like Billy Strayhorn
- [00:44:36.780]and my grandmother and my father
- [00:44:38.610]and these remarkable human beings
- [00:44:40.920]that I've had the chance to know.
- [00:44:43.410]I want to share some of that.
- [00:44:44.820]And I think now is the time to do that because my other
- [00:44:50.100]thrust right now is to kind of help reconnect
- [00:44:54.030]and a lot of artists to doing this now.
- [00:44:56.160]Reconnect is we need to be reconnected
- [00:44:58.170]toward joy space again.
- [00:44:59.970]It's been like, man,
- [00:45:01.350]these last few years have been rough on so many different
- [00:45:04.470]levels and for so many different reasons.
- [00:45:06.960]It's like, I wanna feel some joy, I wanna be happy,
- [00:45:10.831]I want to feel connection, I want to feel empathy,
- [00:45:13.620]I wanna feel kindness.
- [00:45:14.880]I wanna feel love, I want to feel indigenous.
- [00:45:21.690]I want to feel that tribal thing.
- [00:45:23.820]I want to feel, there there are so many factors right now
- [00:45:28.470]and institutions that are trying to keep everybody apart.
- [00:45:32.280]And I really do believe that we have much more in common
- [00:45:35.470]than is different.
- [00:45:37.610]And art is a great place,
- [00:45:42.210]a great meeting ground for all kinds of people
- [00:45:44.940]with all kinds of differences.
- [00:45:46.800]Whether you come from a different place,
- [00:45:48.420]you're a different political party.
- [00:45:49.890]You were raised in another country,
- [00:45:51.780]you speak a different language, you eat different food,
- [00:45:54.150]you worship God by another name, whatever that is.
- [00:45:58.710]Art has a way of connecting us all and making us see
- [00:46:01.920]the similarity and the connection.
- [00:46:04.350]And that's kind of what my thrust is with this show.
- [00:46:08.190]And I feel it's been pretty successful.
- [00:46:11.550]I it feels like,
- [00:46:13.230]I know I feel levitated after I finish a performance.
- [00:46:16.860]So there's a synergistic thing that happens
- [00:46:19.830]with an audience and a performer on stage.
- [00:46:22.230]So if I'm levitating I think maybe some members of the
- [00:46:25.590]audience are as well.
- [00:46:27.300]And the hand that I'm getting in the comments
- [00:46:29.670]that I'm getting are making me feel,
- [00:46:31.560]ah, that's the energy that I want to put out.
- [00:46:34.080]Before a show,
- [00:46:34.913]I basically kind of sit by the side of the stage and I say,
- [00:46:37.830]all right, I'm gonna get out of the way.
- [00:46:40.230]Come through me now,
- [00:46:41.380]talk through me.
- [00:46:42.900]And so it's been a really nice way to make a connection
- [00:46:47.250]and I've designed the show in a very specific way
- [00:46:49.650]with a specific set of songs
- [00:46:51.300]and stories in a way to kind of take the audience
- [00:46:54.030]on a journey.
- [00:46:54.863]So it's like,
- [00:46:55.696]this is kind of the training ground for the one man show
- [00:46:58.110]that I'm talking about.
- [00:46:59.400]But anybody who comes to the concert gets a little preview
- [00:47:02.400]of what that might be like.
- [00:47:04.590]And I agree.
- [00:47:06.090]Something that you said that really resonated
- [00:47:07.860]is that we've talked a little bit,
- [00:47:10.260]we've talked a lot about this umbrella of the pandemic.
- [00:47:13.980]It's cost us a lot. It continues to cost us a lot.
- [00:47:16.107]And I think part of what we're looking for
- [00:47:18.390]and there is a connection between the work that you see
- [00:47:21.180]in performing arts and the need for us to come together.
- [00:47:24.030]Specifically cause there's been these past three years
- [00:47:26.310]almost it seems,
- [00:47:27.788]we've had some losses, right?
- [00:47:29.746]We've been through quite a bit as a nation globally
- [00:47:33.090]and there's a lot of things that connect us,
- [00:47:34.860]but we see that tie sometimes when we see
- [00:47:37.620]things on the stage,
- [00:47:38.453]when we see these things on our television.
- [00:47:40.740]Absolutely.
- [00:47:42.570]What we see beyond the stage for you.
- [00:47:44.430]I mean cuz again,
- [00:47:45.263]you are one of those performances doing multiple things.
- [00:47:48.540]So beyond the stage,
- [00:47:50.160]many people know you from decades of film
- [00:47:52.440]and television work.
- [00:47:53.970]I mentioned some of those Frazier, Fresh Prince of Belaire,
- [00:47:57.210]Glee, Prince of Egypt, on and on, right, Mr. Robot.
- [00:48:02.121](speaker is laughing)
- [00:48:03.900]Yes.
- [00:48:05.553]Is there a TV show or film
- [00:48:08.460]that people still want to talk to you about
- [00:48:10.710]that surprise you?
- [00:48:13.470]Oh, you know, it's so interesting.
- [00:48:14.940]It's so funny that you ask me that question
- [00:48:16.890]cuz if I don't see somebody even,
- [00:48:19.530]I can always tell how old they are by they say,
- [00:48:22.020]Hey, can I talk to you about Fresh Prince?
- [00:48:23.820]Hey, can I talk to you about Trapper John?
- [00:48:25.710]Hey, can I talk to you about Mr. Robot?
- [00:48:28.110]Or something else I've kind of been very fortunate
- [00:48:30.750]to have been working for a long time.
- [00:48:33.450]My high school drama teacher said something to me once,
- [00:48:37.980]and she said this to the entire class actually,
- [00:48:39.810]but I remember it really going through me and sticking to me
- [00:48:42.690]and she said, Hey,
- [00:48:44.400]you know those people that you see in movies all the time
- [00:48:48.090]and you don't really necessarily remember their names,
- [00:48:50.790]but they always give good performances and they've been
- [00:48:53.160]working for for years.
- [00:48:54.720]She said, that's who you want to be
- [00:48:57.450]because they're the people that are able to sustain,
- [00:49:00.180]they have a career in show business
- [00:49:02.310]and they're able to have a family.
- [00:49:03.900]They're able to buy a house,
- [00:49:05.400]they're able to pay for their bills,
- [00:49:07.020]they're able to go on trips occasionally
- [00:49:08.940]and do things that they want to do.
- [00:49:10.680]They're able to have a life that is supported by that.
- [00:49:13.590]She said, that's who you want to be.
- [00:49:15.330]You know, most people on television actually
- [00:49:17.640]and actually music are one hit wonders.
- [00:49:20.730]If you think of the people,
- [00:49:21.720]there's very few Michael Jackson's,
- [00:49:23.460]there's very few Earth Wind and Fires.
- [00:49:25.710]There's very few Bruce Springsteen's,
- [00:49:28.350]people that have been, lasted through decades
- [00:49:32.100]and through time.
- [00:49:33.300]Most people are one hit wonders.
- [00:49:35.250]So I was walking through an airport
- [00:49:37.680]on one of my many concerts and trips somewhere.
- [00:49:40.710]And as I was going through the TSA guy says to me,
- [00:49:43.047]and I can always tell when somebody recognized me.
- [00:49:45.030]He said, I know you, you were, what are you from?
- [00:49:47.220]I know you're from somewhere.
- [00:49:48.720]I said, I'm not gonna tell you.
- [00:49:50.430]Your job is gonna be before I get to the end of the TSA line
- [00:49:53.280]to try to remember what it is.
- [00:49:55.020]So I got to the end of the TSA line
- [00:49:57.270]and he still couldn't remember where he knew me from.
- [00:49:59.310]I knew you, but you're still good.
- [00:50:00.330]I like you in this thing.
- [00:50:01.230]And he answered one of his buddies and said, Hey,
- [00:50:03.030]you know who this guy is?
- [00:50:04.560]And the guy said, oh man, yeah,
- [00:50:06.330]I know, oh, what's his name?
- [00:50:07.650]I've been watching him for years.
- [00:50:08.760]He's always funny.
- [00:50:09.593]He always does really good work.
- [00:50:11.160]And, and then so finally I told him,
- [00:50:14.220]he said, yeah, that's what it was. Jumping The Broom.
- [00:50:16.200]That's what it was.
- [00:50:17.033]I know you're from that
- [00:50:17.866]or something else that they were saying.
- [00:50:19.530]So I walked away, I got my stuff,
- [00:50:21.930]I had a nice time with them and talked.
- [00:50:23.027]And as I walked away,
- [00:50:24.360]I realized when I got maybe four or five minutes
- [00:50:26.370]from the gate, I thought, wow,
- [00:50:28.470]they just gave me an incredible gift.
- [00:50:30.150]They just said what my high school drama teacher said,
- [00:50:33.600]be that person.
- [00:50:34.890]That's the person to be.
- [00:50:36.030]And I feel like that person,
- [00:50:37.290]I like to say I'm famous in certain circles.
- [00:50:42.450]I have the perfect amount of fame.
- [00:50:44.010]I still have anonymity in many places that I go.
- [00:50:46.500]And New Yorkers are cool about it.
- [00:50:48.000]I get recognized here all the time.
- [00:50:49.440]But New Yorkers say if they see me on the subway,
- [00:50:52.440]I'll see somebody see me.
- [00:50:53.790]And what they'll do is before they get off the subway,
- [00:50:56.340]they'll just kind of brush by me and say, love your work.
- [00:50:58.980]And then they go,
- [00:51:00.090]without an expectation of an autograph
- [00:51:01.830]or a picture or anything like that,
- [00:51:03.300]that's New York cool.
- [00:51:04.320]That's the way that New Yorkers do it.
- [00:51:05.850]So it's really nice to be seen like that.
- [00:51:08.790]And like you said,
- [00:51:09.623]especially when I go to a show now and there are people that
- [00:51:12.540]have seen my work and they're on that stage and I just saw
- [00:51:15.270]them give probably a beautiful, wonderful,
- [00:51:17.220]amazing performance.
- [00:51:18.210]Cuz if they're on Broadway, they're accomplished.
- [00:51:21.360]To hear that I was an inspiration for them is a really,
- [00:51:24.840]really cool thing and something I wish on everybody.
- [00:51:27.540]And everybody can do that, by the way.
- [00:51:28.980]Even if you're not an actor,
- [00:51:29.940]you might be an astronaut or whatever
- [00:51:32.280]that's something we all can do.
- [00:51:33.630]I think it's important to be able to pass that forward
- [00:51:36.390]and to pass that inspiration on.
- [00:51:38.160]We all stand on the shoulders of somebody else.
- [00:51:40.530]And we at Black Theatre United always talk about that.
- [00:51:43.440]We stand on the shoulders of our ancestors
- [00:51:45.630]and we hope to hold other people behind us coming up.
- [00:51:48.240]We are part of a continuum.
- [00:51:49.740]We are not the Alpha in the Omega.
- [00:51:51.480]We're in the middle somewhere.
- [00:51:53.580]And we pass on what we know and what we learn
- [00:51:56.577]and what we're able to pass on to others
- [00:51:58.650]and let them carry the torch into the future.
- [00:52:02.190]And I can tell you that we here
- [00:52:05.040]at the university in our different offices,
- [00:52:06.780]and we were talking about this conversation
- [00:52:08.910]and we all talked about when we were first introduced
- [00:52:10.920]to your work.
- [00:52:12.497]I think I told everyone where I was introduced,
- [00:52:14.310]but collectively in the office,
- [00:52:15.780]we all agreed that it was that part where it was Hillary,
- [00:52:18.900]I love you.
- [00:52:19.817](Stokes laughing)
- [00:52:21.210]Yes.
- [00:52:23.206](indistinct) Bungee jumping.
- [00:52:27.960]I do wanna ask this question.
- [00:52:30.172]I think even more recent,
- [00:52:32.520]like we talked about the pandemic a little bit,
- [00:52:34.200]but during the pandemic you actually made national news.
- [00:52:36.810]You were singing the Impossible Dream
- [00:52:39.630]out the window of your apartment
- [00:52:41.100]and into the streets of Manhattan every evening
- [00:52:44.160]as the essential workers were changing their shifts.
- [00:52:46.770]So where did the idea come from
- [00:52:48.720]and how did it become something you did every evening?
- [00:52:53.700]Yeah, I'll tell you this story partially
- [00:52:56.070]because I hope people that are listening to this
- [00:52:58.290]will be at the show.
- [00:52:59.160]This is one of the stories that I actually tell.
- [00:53:02.130]That's rather interesting.
- [00:53:04.590]But I can tell you part of it is I had Covid early on in
- [00:53:08.280]March of 2020,
- [00:53:09.480]I didn't know anybody else that had Covid except for my
- [00:53:12.150]friend and great writer Terrence McNally, who died of it.
- [00:53:15.930]So it had hardly caught on.
- [00:53:18.690]I still don't know to this day where I got it from,
- [00:53:22.140]but somehow I became one of the first people in New York
- [00:53:25.380]that have it up until that point.
- [00:53:27.750]We were watching it kind of work its way towards us through
- [00:53:31.590]China and through Europe on the news.
- [00:53:34.680]And I remember at one particular night I was watching the
- [00:53:37.560]news and all of the dread and all the people
- [00:53:39.420]that were dying from it.
- [00:53:40.380]And because there was no vaccine,
- [00:53:41.670]there was no hope.
- [00:53:42.503]We didn't even know what it was exactly.
- [00:53:43.830]We didn't know how it was spread.
- [00:53:45.180]Remember getting home from the grocery store
- [00:53:48.120]and washing all your produce and washing the packages
- [00:53:50.670]and we were wearing gloves and everything
- [00:53:52.530]cuz we didn't know anything about it.
- [00:53:54.590]And I remember watching on the news one day,
- [00:54:01.260]they shut down Italy and they had film footage from,
- [00:54:04.590]I think it was Venice,
- [00:54:06.390]of people that just were shut into their house.
- [00:54:09.330]He couldn't leave.
- [00:54:10.530]And in the evening they would start opening their windows
- [00:54:13.860]and they would just start singing out their windows
- [00:54:15.870]to each other.
- [00:54:16.703]And sometimes somebody else from another building would join
- [00:54:19.290]them in a duet.
- [00:54:20.310]Sometimes somebody would pull out an instrument and play
- [00:54:22.800]along or they would play their own thing.
- [00:54:25.050]And there was this exchange of art
- [00:54:27.706]and kindred ship and solace and connection that happened
- [00:54:34.110]for a few brief moments every night.
- [00:54:36.150]And I remember being tremendously moved by that.
- [00:54:39.180]So I contracted Covid when I was getting over it,
- [00:54:43.410]that's when I found out New York City started spontaneously
- [00:54:47.430]at seven o'clock every night clapping for all the essential
- [00:54:50.670]workers, the doctors, the nurses,
- [00:54:52.920]the people that were the janitors,
- [00:54:54.960]scrubbing the floors in the hospitals,
- [00:54:57.150]everybody that was there,
- [00:54:59.160]I mean also our subway drivers, the bus drivers,
- [00:55:02.700]the the people that were working in the grocery stores,
- [00:55:05.070]the delivery people that were keeping the city going.
- [00:55:08.070]So we'd stop and give them our appreciation.
- [00:55:10.650]And so I was a part of that.
- [00:55:13.740]And then one day as I was getting over Covid,
- [00:55:16.050]I realized I think I can sing.
- [00:55:17.910]And I just spontaneously started singing
- [00:55:19.800]the Impossible Dream out the window.
- [00:55:21.480]Not even thinking until later.
- [00:55:23.160]Hey, that's where the Italians did,
- [00:55:24.780]that's where that inspiration came from, I'm sure.
- [00:55:29.218]And during the show,
- [00:55:31.620]I'll tell you the story,
- [00:55:32.928]it was just gonna be a one-off.
- [00:55:35.010]I wasn't gonna sing it for two and a half months every night
- [00:55:37.860]straight, which is what I ended up doing.
- [00:55:40.350]But the rest of the story is about that.
- [00:55:42.360]And there's a connection in that story,
- [00:55:45.960]to making joy for people.
- [00:55:48.630]And I realized that cuz literally on the weekends probably
- [00:55:52.980]there were close to a thousand people gathered on the street
- [00:55:55.740]below me on Broadway, hundreds of people every night.
- [00:55:59.130]It got to be kind of crazy and the police would pull up
- [00:56:02.070]and they would stop traffic when I sang
- [00:56:04.260]and it got to be a thing.
- [00:56:07.050]But kind of the short end of the story.
- [00:56:09.720]But the story itself is fun,
- [00:56:11.728]is that I realized it was a time when people
- [00:56:16.740]could come together and experience
- [00:56:18.420]something that was happening for them in this time only,
- [00:56:21.240]in this space only.
- [00:56:23.280]This one time and all the time,
- [00:56:24.570]which is what live theater is, that's what Broadway is.
- [00:56:26.820]That's why we love it.
- [00:56:27.930]Unlike a movie that's in two dimensions
- [00:56:30.360]and no matter where we're sitting,
- [00:56:31.890]it's the same exact movie.
- [00:56:33.270]No matter when we go, no matter where we sit.
- [00:56:37.170]In a Broadway show, a live show,
- [00:56:38.910]you're sitting in the theater
- [00:56:40.050]and what you're seeing is in three dimensions.
- [00:56:41.700]So the person sitting in the balcony on the back right,
- [00:56:44.220]is seeing a different show than the person sitting in the
- [00:56:46.260]front left is,
- [00:56:47.250]or the person sitting in the middle of the theater.
- [00:56:49.470]And the show is different every night.
- [00:56:51.690]It's not the same performance.
- [00:56:52.950]The actors are doing something,
- [00:56:54.210]they're working riffing off the audience.
- [00:56:56.400]So it's a different kind of experience.
- [00:57:03.840]I don't want to go too deep into to the reeds
- [00:57:06.390]with all of this,
- [00:57:07.223]but that's how that started was that connection I think
- [00:57:10.980]that everybody was getting that.
- [00:57:12.870]I realized, oh that's something very important.
- [00:57:15.930]Cuz I was feeling like we're not clapping for the essential
- [00:57:18.870]workers anymore.
- [00:57:19.950]Now it feels like they're showing up to see me perform.
- [00:57:22.470]And I forgot people need that as well.
- [00:57:25.170]People need that connection.
- [00:57:26.440]That's what art does.
- [00:57:28.290]Art has this amazing ability
- [00:57:31.410]to change a person in one epiphany moment.
- [00:57:35.400]You can look at a work of art and go, ah,
- [00:57:38.910]I didn't realize, I thought that was just me that felt that
- [00:57:41.130]or thought that.
- [00:57:41.963]You can leave a show and think that you're the only person
- [00:57:44.760]that has lived through a moment and you leave the show a
- [00:57:47.700]different person than you were when you walked in.
- [00:57:50.070]Let me tell you a story, Ragtime story.
- [00:57:52.097]I was gonna tell you about this and one of the reason
- [00:57:53.970]Ragtime was so important to me.
- [00:57:58.020]Two stories, connected stories.
- [00:57:59.400]Are we on time by the way?
- [00:58:01.140]Yeah, a few minutes left, 6:55.
- [00:58:05.640]Okay, I'll try to make it as quickly as I can.
- [00:58:09.030]Well, I'll tell the second part of the story.
- [00:58:10.260]I don't have to tell the first part of the story,
- [00:58:13.440]which is also actually connected.
- [00:58:15.240]But the Ragtime,
- [00:58:20.987]one of the things that really hit me about Ragtime
- [00:58:23.190]was the effect that it was having on people.
- [00:58:24.960]One day I got a letter,
- [00:58:26.490]and remember the days when people used to write letters
- [00:58:28.830]25 years ago.
- [00:58:30.450]In my dressing room and it was a thick letter
- [00:58:32.400]and it was from somebody I thought
- [00:58:33.387]who wrote this thick letter.
- [00:58:34.467]And I wrote a single space line handwritten letter.
- [00:58:37.800]And the person started talking about themselves.
- [00:58:40.830]Hi, my name is, I can't remember what his name was.
- [00:58:42.780]I kept the letter, I live in Florida, I'm a white Caucasian,
- [00:58:46.500]20 year old young man.
- [00:58:48.930]And he proceeded in all of these pages of this letter to
- [00:58:51.600]describe his life.
- [00:58:52.433]And which is kind of just ordinary
- [00:58:54.750]and everything I'm thinking, where is he going?
- [00:58:56.070]Why'd he write me this long letter?
- [00:58:57.540]Until I got to the last paragraph of the letter,
- [00:58:59.790]the last paragraph of the letter said,
- [00:59:01.920]and I'm maybe slightly misquoting, but mostly not.
- [00:59:05.970]The reason I'm writing this letter is because two weeks ago
- [00:59:08.760]I came to see you in Ragtime on Broadway.
- [00:59:11.970]And when I left the theater,
- [00:59:13.650]I realized I've been a racist all my life
- [00:59:16.860]and didn't even know it.
- [00:59:21.720]And that like went right through me.
- [00:59:24.540]And I realized in that moment, again,
- [00:59:26.670]that's the power of art.
- [00:59:28.080]That person was changed.
- [00:59:29.430]They were a different person when they left that theater
- [00:59:32.640]than they were, than they walked in.
- [00:59:34.020]And I gotta find that letter
- [00:59:35.700]cause I would love to contact this person
- [00:59:37.500]and say, Hey, what's life now 25 years later?
- [00:59:42.060]Where are you?
- [00:59:42.893]What do you believe?
- [00:59:43.726]Where are you living?
- [00:59:44.559]What's, what's going on?
- [00:59:45.392]What are you thinking about?
- [00:59:49.440]Art has this ability to change people in amazing ways.
- [00:59:53.670]And the only things that I can think
- [00:59:54.840]that can do that in an epiphany moment like that
- [00:59:57.420]is something terrible like war or something dramatic
- [01:00:01.230]or traumatic that happens to a person
- [01:00:02.850]or childbirth, which is a joy,
- [01:00:04.890]but it's also traumatic.
- [01:00:09.875](audio cuts out speaker)
- [01:00:11.340]The good, to connect people,
- [01:00:13.890]to make people feel not alone, to make people feel hopeful.
- [01:00:18.210]You can literally change the vibration of somebody.
- [01:00:21.120]You can literally change the dimension they're living in.
- [01:00:24.180]If I can get really abstract, and that's what that is,
- [01:00:27.750]that's what happens when you have an epiphany.
- [01:00:29.550]You're shifting your consciousness,
- [01:00:31.290]your consciousness is shifted,
- [01:00:33.150]and you're not experiencing the world or your own life the
- [01:00:35.850]same way anymore.
- [01:00:37.050]And art has this amazing ability to do that.
- [01:00:39.300]And that's what I try to do with my show is to get out of
- [01:00:42.780]the way and let whatever grand spirit or thing that is,
- [01:00:45.750]that comes through.
- [01:00:46.860]And we all know when we're in the presence of it or when
- [01:00:49.080]we've seen it or when we feel it.
- [01:00:51.060]And sometimes, you know,
- [01:00:52.140]you do and sometimes you don't.
- [01:00:53.730]But that's, I think the goal is to work towards that.
- [01:00:56.790]And that's critical.
- [01:00:58.770]What you said is so key.
- [01:01:01.770]Art is transformative.
- [01:01:03.360]It's such a difference.
- [01:01:05.250]I mentioned in just some of the things we've seen
- [01:01:07.800]on the television, but you're absolutely correct.
- [01:01:10.020]When you sit in the theater
- [01:01:11.190]and you see those individuals on the stage,
- [01:01:13.740]you don't get the same thing every night, you know?
- [01:01:16.260]And it's so important to think about the transformative
- [01:01:18.570]power of art.
- [01:01:20.160]And I don't think we can emphasize that enough.
- [01:01:22.410]And so we're looking forward to this performance,
- [01:01:24.840]I think on Saturday.
- [01:01:25.980]But I do have one question for you.
- [01:01:28.116]Yes, yes.
- [01:01:28.949]As we prepare to wrap up,
- [01:01:30.180]what do you hope people will take away from the evening
- [01:01:33.060]on Saturday?
- [01:01:35.640]I hope they're reconnected to the joy space.
- [01:01:40.200]Like what happened after the pandemic of 1917.
- [01:01:44.790]I hope people are ready for their own roaring twenties.
- [01:01:48.540]I hope people find their own center for hope and their own
- [01:01:52.530]center for optimism and their own ways to reconnect with
- [01:01:55.740]people and to kind of remember what it was like when things
- [01:02:00.300]were not in so divisive.
- [01:02:03.210]When things were not a pandemic,
- [01:02:05.760]when there wasn't so much fear and death and destruction
- [01:02:08.760]and all of this around us.
- [01:02:15.000]We are the ones in control of our lives.
- [01:02:17.520]I can't do much to control what happens in the world.
- [01:02:20.820]What I can do is,
- [01:02:22.290]I like to call them circles of influence.
- [01:02:25.470]I have great influence over my life and how I view it,
- [01:02:28.380]how I live it, what I want to do with it.
- [01:02:30.930]Less so as I move out a little bit to my wife, my son,
- [01:02:33.960]less so as I move out to my neighbors,
- [01:02:36.210]less so when I move out to my workspace, less so.
- [01:02:38.637]And you keep going out in these concentric circles of
- [01:02:41.580]influence until it gets to a place where you
- [01:02:44.490]basically have zero influence.
- [01:02:46.650]But what you have is influence over your own life.
- [01:02:49.320]And I kind of wanna just help cuz this helps me
- [01:02:52.410]when I do a concert like this,
- [01:02:53.880]it recenters me.
- [01:02:55.920]I get hope, I feel levitated, I feel more joyful.
- [01:02:59.970]It's helping connect me as well.
- [01:03:02.430]And it's this synergistic thing that happens.
- [01:03:04.980]And I hope then,
- [01:03:06.090]and what I say usually at the end of the show is,
- [01:03:08.280]hey, if you feel different than you did when you walked in,
- [01:03:11.280]take that home.
- [01:03:12.113]Take that to your family,
- [01:03:13.410]take that to your building, take that to your workspace,
- [01:03:16.170]take that to your neighborhood,
- [01:03:17.730]take that to whoever you see on the street that needs a
- [01:03:20.130]friendly face or a smile take that.
- [01:03:23.100]Let's put ourselves back together again.
- [01:03:26.010]Humpty Dumpty has had a great fall.
- [01:03:28.680]It's time for us to put Humpty together again.
- [01:03:31.500]And it's up to all of us as individuals to do that.
- [01:03:34.920]And take that time and do what you're doing
- [01:03:37.950]Dr. Nkenge Friday.
- [01:03:39.660]The kind of thing.
- [01:03:41.205]Let's bring people together.
- [01:03:43.260]Let's just make a conscious effort that
- [01:03:45.330]that's what we're going to do with our lives
- [01:03:48.240]and we do it.
- [01:03:50.700]Thank you.
- [01:03:51.533]This has been such a great conversation
- [01:03:53.610]and I'm taking what you said.
- [01:03:55.410]I'm absolutely going to think about how we center ourselves
- [01:03:58.230]and how we take back that joy.
- [01:03:59.700]And I look forward to Saturday in particular.
- [01:04:03.180]I will say, as I wrap up,
- [01:04:05.490]I thank you so much for your time.
- [01:04:07.680]It would not have been,
- [01:04:08.513]I think this space in this time using technology
- [01:04:12.450]without a few hiccups.
- [01:04:13.890]But we made it.
- [01:04:15.030]We got our full hour.
- [01:04:15.922]We did.
- [01:04:18.000]For our audience,
- [01:04:18.990]we hope that you'll join us on Saturday for
- [01:04:22.350]Brian Stokes Mitchell's performance.
- [01:04:24.330]It'll be January 23rd,
- [01:04:25.680]starting at 7:30 PM at the LEAD Center.
- [01:04:28.440]Of course you can attend in person.
- [01:04:30.810]And there is also the option to watch via live webcast.
- [01:04:34.080]So you can join us no matter where you are.
- [01:04:36.360]All ticket information is available at leadcenter.org.
- [01:04:39.390]And if you're a University of Nebraska Lincoln student,
- [01:04:42.270]you can attend for free through the LEAD Center's Art for
- [01:04:45.120]All program and you can learn more about that
- [01:04:47.580]at leadcenter.org/artsforall.
- [01:04:50.940]And finally, we also invite you to learn more
- [01:04:53.250]about the continuing work
- [01:04:54.840]of Black Theatre United at Black Theatre United
- [01:04:57.960]and is theatre with re dot com.
- [01:05:01.680]Thank you so much Stokes.
- [01:05:02.793]I am looking forward to your performance on Saturday
- [01:05:05.430]and I think I speak for everyone
- [01:05:06.870]when I say you gave us so much to think about,
- [01:05:08.700]so much to really reflect on.
- [01:05:10.230]And even more so think about Saturday and your performance
- [01:05:14.340]and seeing you, like you said, live and in color.
- [01:05:17.130]So thank you.
- [01:05:18.540]Yeah, thank you so much.
- [01:05:20.130]Thanks for having me.
- [01:05:20.963]Thanks for letting me be part of your conversation as well.
- [01:05:23.370]And everybody there and I just wish you all joy, happiness,
- [01:05:26.610]many blessings,
- [01:05:27.780]and that this year is the best year of your lives.
- [01:05:31.680]Absolutely. Thank you all for joining us.
- [01:05:34.730]Thank you.
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