Beth Dotan: Nebraska Holocaust Survivors and WWII Veterans
In this episode of Great Plains Anywhere, we talk with Beth Dotan a Ph.D. candidate in Teaching, Learning, and Teacher Education at UNL. Dotan helps lead a multidisciplinary digital humanities project to document and tell the stories of Nebraskans during World War II titled "Nebraska Stories of Humanity: Holocaust Survivors and World War II Veterans."
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[00:00:00.150]Welcome to" Great Plains Anywhere",
[00:00:02.040]a Paul A. Olson lecture from
[00:00:03.930]the Center for Great Plain Studies
[00:00:05.430]at the University of Nebraska.
[00:00:08.550]Today's guest is Beth Dotan, a PhD candidate
[00:00:11.430]in teaching, learning and teacher education at UNL.
[00:00:14.640]Her work focuses on teaching about the Holocaust
[00:00:17.490]and the use of digital humanities in the field.
[00:00:20.370]We asked Dotan to talk about leading
[00:00:22.200]a multidisciplinary digital humanities project
[00:00:25.410]to document and tell the stories of Nebraskans
[00:00:27.660]during World War II, titled "Nebraska Stories
[00:00:30.510]of Humanity, Holocaust Survivors,
[00:00:32.580]and World War II Veterans".
[00:00:35.280]The University of Nebraska is a land grant institution
[00:00:38.400]with campuses and programs on the past, present
[00:00:41.370]and future homelands of the Pawnee, Ponca, Otoit-Missouria,
[00:00:46.080]Omaha, Dakota, Lakota, Kaw, Cheyenne, and Arapaho Peoples,
[00:00:51.300]as well as those of the relocated Ho-Chunk, Sac and Fox,
[00:00:54.840]and Iowa Peoples.
[00:00:57.060]Hi, I'm Katie Nieland.
[00:00:58.140]I'm the Associate Director at the Center
[00:00:59.730]for Great Plains studies.
[00:01:00.720]I'm Beth Dotan and doctoral candidate
[00:01:04.233]at UNL in teaching, learning and teacher education.
[00:01:07.410]Well, thank you so much for joining us today, Beth.
[00:01:09.330]We really appreciate it
[00:01:10.620]and we're excited to learn more about your work.
[00:01:15.503]This is a great opportunity and I'm really excited
[00:01:18.540]to be able to talk in a in a larger capacity
[00:01:23.100]about the Nebraska stories of humanity.
[00:01:27.330]I'm a, as I said, a doctoral student
[00:01:30.090]and but was the founding executive director
[00:01:33.570]of the Institute for Holocaust Education in Omaha.
[00:01:37.440]And then I worked at the Ghetto Fighters House Museum,
[00:01:41.670]developing Holocaust educational frameworks
[00:01:44.190]and working in their international department in Israel,
[00:01:49.290]which was a great experience.
[00:01:51.810]But this project is across is cross-disciplinary
[00:01:55.590]with the College of Education, College of Arts and Science
[00:02:00.110]and particular in Poli Sci and history.
[00:02:03.240]And also in the digital humanities.
[00:02:06.810]I have the honor of working with political science professor
[00:02:09.810]Artie Cohen who's the co-PI on the project.
[00:02:13.410]And then we also work with advisors on the Project Care,
[00:02:16.920]Professors Carrie Heitman, Gerald Seinacher, Andy Jewel,
[00:02:21.300]and Dr. John Rabell is my advisor for my doctoral program.
[00:02:28.200]As a doctoral candidate at UNL,
[00:02:30.450]I've been provided the opportunity to acquire new knowledge,
[00:02:34.350]to broaden my scope of Holocaust education pedagogy
[00:02:37.950]and methodology and then also Holocaust memory.
[00:02:42.780]But through the tools of digital humanities
[00:02:45.330]I'm able to bring a richer understanding
[00:02:48.180]and more grounded experience for those who delve
[00:02:51.390]into the portal.
[00:02:53.910]One of the things that's unique
[00:02:56.490]is that because Nebraska is a refugee receiving site
[00:03:00.420]we're very mindful of that we bear responsibility
[00:03:04.680]to build and teach respect for differences
[00:03:07.050]and the heritage of those who live within our communities.
[00:03:11.400]I believe that this was the wish of the survivors
[00:03:15.750]from the Holocaust who settled in our neighborhoods
[00:03:18.750]and of the individuals who were called to serve
[00:03:22.590]in the US Armed Forces.
[00:03:25.830]Our project has been developed by a team
[00:03:28.560]of about seven programmers
[00:03:29.970]in the Center for Digital Research in the Humanities,
[00:03:33.780]or the CDRH, which is part of the University of Nebraska
[00:03:38.880]For more than 20 years UNL has used
[00:03:41.130]digital humanities methodologies and tools
[00:03:44.220]to create unique digital archives for use by researchers,
[00:03:49.170]scholars, and the general public.
[00:03:51.780]Projects like the Walt Whitman Archive
[00:03:53.820]and the Willa Cather Archives, as many more
[00:03:56.370]that you can see here on the screen
[00:03:59.250]have long aggregated materials
[00:04:01.350]from disparate repositories into websites that are cohesive
[00:04:05.880]and easily navigated.
[00:04:08.220]UNL has a tradition of involving student
[00:04:12.210]and community collaborators in developing
[00:04:14.430]and applying these tools in the digital environment,
[00:04:18.870]which made it really great for the work that I'm doing.
[00:04:22.740]And students are trained to follow international
[00:04:25.710]metadata standards and it takes place
[00:04:29.070]under the direction of our university professors.
[00:04:32.430]Likewise, the Nebraska Stories of Humanity Project
[00:04:35.640]also trained student assistants
[00:04:37.890]under the established guides of the CDRH
[00:04:40.830]and they are carefully monitored
[00:04:43.590]by our metadata specialist Laura Weekly,
[00:04:46.260]who I work closely with on the project.
[00:04:50.220]And the project engages individual contributors,
[00:04:54.579]local stakeholder organizations
[00:04:57.570]and national and international repositories.
[00:05:00.630]So we're bringing in materials
[00:05:02.760]from as many places as we can.
[00:05:05.760]And as Jerome Magan states, digital humanists
[00:05:09.510]have seen themselves within the longer tradition
[00:05:12.810]of the humanities, suggesting that the main value
[00:05:16.320]of their work resides in the creation, the migration
[00:05:19.770]or the preservation of cultural materials.
[00:05:23.820]My research considers how we might create
[00:05:26.910]a digital repository exploring the impact on the legacy
[00:05:31.050]of Nebraska Holocaust survivors and liberators of camps,
[00:05:35.280]while providing an educational structure
[00:05:37.770]for collective Holocaust memory.
[00:05:41.310]The Nebraska Stories of Humanity website centralizes
[00:05:44.970]access to the history of the Nebraska Holocaust survivors
[00:05:48.120]and liberators of the Nazis camps
[00:05:50.940]in a collection of searchable stories In aggregate.
[00:05:54.690]The endeavor addresses the avenue to reimagine
[00:05:59.700]the use of archival materials of Nebraska survivors
[00:06:03.420]and veterans and to transform the way we interact
[00:06:06.900]with Holocaust documentation,
[00:06:09.240]concept that I explored at a conference
[00:06:12.150]of Israel's Holocaust Memorial Yad Vashem
[00:06:14.940]in, in a virtual 2020 conference.
[00:06:18.750]The CDRH has provided the venue to assemble multiple tools
[00:06:23.040]to, to accomplish the goals dedicated
[00:06:26.220]to the immediate Nebraska community
[00:06:29.220]and then to the larger collective web audience.
[00:06:33.570]Digital compilation of community center stories
[00:06:36.690]unifies the disparate historical resources.
[00:06:40.950]The site is populated through locally acquired documents,
[00:06:45.150]photographs, heirlooms from the survivor
[00:06:48.780]and veteran families and our interns go out
[00:06:51.900]and collect research, news articles, testimony,
[00:06:56.490]geographical information and primary resources.
[00:06:59.670]So our work is locally focused
[00:07:01.860]but the digital options allow our collection
[00:07:05.370]to be transnational, transcultural and interdisciplinary
[00:07:10.740]as a contribution to public history.
[00:07:13.980]Meanwhile, centering the stories through our collection
[00:07:17.520]preserves the memories of the individuals
[00:07:20.460]and as we explore the narratives
[00:07:22.470]of the highlighted individuals,
[00:07:23.880]the site enables the users to understand
[00:07:27.570]the deconstruction of democracy in pre-World War II Europe.
[00:07:32.100]And it also exemplifies the power of those individuals
[00:07:37.380]who were truly resilient when they survived the war.
[00:07:43.950]Pedagogue Ivan Illich claimed that technologies
[00:07:46.980]could guide the reconstruction of education
[00:07:49.230]to serve the need of varied communities
[00:07:51.630]and promote democracy and social justice.
[00:07:55.350]The portal is a bridge to learn
[00:07:56.970]about marginalized cultural groups
[00:07:59.310]that settled in Nebraska using inquiry based methods
[00:08:02.430]and multidirectional memory, which I'll talk about
[00:08:04.770]in a moment, to connect Holocaust pedagogy
[00:08:07.920]to state educational standards
[00:08:10.890]that also rely on our digital storytelling.
[00:08:13.470]So we're trying to pull a lot of things together
[00:08:16.440]in order to sort of reshape the way we learn
[00:08:19.320]about the Holocaust.
[00:08:20.940]Hopefully this will be a good resource
[00:08:22.680]for the new education Bill LB 888
[00:08:26.070]which was recently passed in the legislature.
[00:08:32.460]So this multi-directional memory is a concept
[00:08:35.730]that I've been studying by scholar Michael Rothberg
[00:08:39.900]and it can help us deliver scaffolded knowledge
[00:08:42.540]in considering marginalized people.
[00:08:45.990]In Nebraska we live on an indigenous people's
[00:08:48.330]ancestral lands, owning a responsibility
[00:08:51.150]to acknowledge other historical tragedies and survival.
[00:08:55.110]Additionally, Nebraska has encouraged the integration
[00:08:58.950]of refugee communities and therefore addresses
[00:09:02.250]and assists multiple language learners and cultures
[00:09:05.340]in our schools and institutions of higher learning.
[00:09:09.150]Therefore, when we study about those
[00:09:10.890]who experienced the Holocaust, we might also leverage
[00:09:14.070]learning about refugee communities
[00:09:17.160]that have settled in our state.
[00:09:20.220]For example, this photo here that you see of Kitty Williams
[00:09:23.970]who was an Auschwitz survivor.
[00:09:27.150]Kitty embraced opportunities to support
[00:09:29.370]and share presentation time with Shireen Ibrahim,
[00:09:33.390]who was a survivor of the ISIS genocide
[00:09:38.280]of the Yazidi people who resettled in Lincoln.
[00:09:41.910]So we're starting to see where we can really interact
[00:09:45.990]with these different cultural group.
[00:09:48.180]And whereas Rothberg acknowledged that memory competition,
[00:09:51.750]sometimes it exists.
[00:09:53.310]He also reminds us that multidirectional memory can serve
[00:09:57.180]as a spur of unexpected acts of empathy and solidarity.
[00:10:01.650]And it's often the grounds on which people construct,
[00:10:04.200]can construct and act upon visions of justice.
[00:10:09.750]So multidirectional memory provides a pathway to relate
[00:10:13.350]to tragic histories and resilience of other groups
[00:10:15.990]in a matter that combined us together
[00:10:19.200]through our diverse cultures and articulating the tools
[00:10:22.620]to integrate these new ways of knowing
[00:10:25.560]requires a lot of thoughtful and creative strategies
[00:10:29.250]that we've tried to input into the web portal.
[00:10:34.620]Independent of Holocaust survivor story,
[00:10:37.080]racism and antisemitism are still very present
[00:10:40.440]in our society today.
[00:10:42.330]The portal provides insight into the lives who
[00:10:45.780]withstood humanities unthinkable destruction
[00:10:48.840]while finding the inner strength to move forward
[00:10:51.390]and start anew in our state of Nebraska.
[00:10:56.580]The introductory prototype of five highlighted individuals
[00:10:59.700]provides the framework for an expanded
[00:11:01.890]collection of stories that we anticipate will grow
[00:11:05.820]a lot in the future.
[00:11:07.680]So the website has had numerous successes
[00:11:14.310]over the past two years as we've been in development
[00:11:17.163]and, and right now we're in prototype form
[00:11:19.740]which means that we only have the five stories,
[00:11:23.010]but we've translated, transcribed, cropped, reviewed
[00:11:27.100]over 900 items that really count
[00:11:30.390]into probably closer to 1,500 because
[00:11:35.640]many of those items have multiple pages in them.
[00:11:39.540]And our search engine is designed to enhance the categories
[00:11:42.870]through these different areas that you see on the screen.
[00:11:49.170]And we continue to grow this massive material.
[00:11:54.090]In particular I'll talk a little bit
[00:11:56.640]about some of the individuals that are highlighted
[00:11:58.710]at the moment.
[00:12:00.270]Here is a quote from Irving Shapiro
[00:12:02.610]that he wrote in a speech.
[00:12:05.790]We don't know when he gave it
[00:12:07.860]but we found his handwritten notes
[00:12:12.690]as well as some typed notes.
[00:12:15.570]And he said we were commended to die
[00:12:17.580]without a judge or jury, and very seldom
[00:12:20.490]did we find a neighbor on whose door we could knock
[00:12:22.800]and ask for shelter.
[00:12:24.330]Let us not forget our brothers and sisters
[00:12:26.880]who still fill the skies with their smoke.
[00:12:30.960]So Irving and his wife Clara, along with their baby
[00:12:35.250]who was born in a DP camp
[00:12:38.370]settled in western Nebraska in Gering,
[00:12:42.690]and I have known about the family for many, many years.
[00:12:45.570]And they were very influential
[00:12:48.527]being the only Holocaust survivors in that area.
[00:12:51.420]And Irving started numerous factories
[00:12:54.180]where he would bring in other immigrants
[00:12:57.360]to work in his factories.
[00:12:58.560]He knew what it was like to start new
[00:13:00.630]and to not speak the language
[00:13:02.130]and was really supportive and had a wonderful relationship
[00:13:07.020]with people in Gering and throughout the state.
[00:13:11.550]He survived many camp, including the Auschwitz.
[00:13:17.670]He went to Majdanek with his brother
[00:13:19.530]where they got split up and he lost contact
[00:13:23.880]with his brother, never knowing what had happened
[00:13:27.630]until the end of his life.
[00:13:30.540]His son later Irving's son, discovered the history
[00:13:35.190]of Irving's brother who had perished at the end of the war
[00:13:40.020]in a hospital in Germany.
[00:13:43.080]But this picture also shows a swastika
[00:13:46.740]that was burned in their yard due to an antisemitic act
[00:13:53.220]Bea Karp was a young girl born in 1932 in Germany
[00:13:59.100]and she and her family were forced to leave their home
[00:14:03.030]and were sent by passenger train, which is very unusual,
[00:14:07.050]to camp in the south of France.
[00:14:10.740]Her mother was able to work out an agreement
[00:14:15.390]with the Jewish underground and they took Bea and her sister
[00:14:19.620]out of the camp to hidden chalets where they were able
[00:14:25.800]to move the the children around from time to time
[00:14:29.520]to keep them one step ahead as Bea used to say,
[00:14:32.040]ahead of the Germans.
[00:14:36.180]Bea's parents were sent to Auschwitz
[00:14:39.150]and murdered upon their arrival there in 1943, I believe,
[00:14:43.463]'42 or' 43, and she and her sister remained in,
[00:14:48.720]moved being moved around in these chateaus
[00:14:52.170]until they were moved to some convents
[00:14:54.990]and later she ended up in the United States.
[00:14:57.480]And here in Omaha, she, we have 177 items in her collection.
[00:15:05.280]But at the moment we have another 120
[00:15:08.220]that are at a translator to talk about how her family
[00:15:12.930]was able to reconnect and and get them out of Europe
[00:15:16.290]after the war.
[00:15:17.970]Using digital tools to create interactive maps,
[00:15:21.450]our development a team provided a way
[00:15:23.100]for the visitor to visualize the journeys of Bea Karp,
[00:15:27.180]Clarence Williams and Irving Shapiro.
[00:15:29.940]The maps include pop-up materials from the collection
[00:15:33.360]and links to outside sources.
[00:15:35.760]Though a researcher can glean other information.
[00:15:40.890]Although not always exact, we created the maps
[00:15:44.070]from the grains of information that we discoveted
[00:15:46.320]through the surviving artifacts and documents.
[00:15:49.590]So here you can see a broader map for Clarence Williams
[00:15:56.220]with one of the artifacts and then we zeroed in
[00:15:59.520]and the red marks are the areas
[00:16:03.990]that he was traveling in with his unit.
[00:16:08.730]And if we go here, Clarence was a photographer.
[00:16:16.500]He wrote letters to his wife almost every day.
[00:16:20.578]The project is intended to be informational
[00:16:23.790]as you can imagine, but hopefully we also hope
[00:16:27.990]that we touch people's lives through our digital history.
[00:16:32.010]And so one of the things we ask is what is the power
[00:16:34.740]of the tool on the receiver side?
[00:16:37.290]And the best way for me to describe that
[00:16:39.840]is through the work that one of my students
[00:16:43.950]and interns did on Clarence Williams' collection.
[00:16:49.380]He expressed the following information
[00:16:51.660]about Staff Sergeant Clarence Williams,
[00:16:54.270]who was a medic in the 42nd Rainbow Division.
[00:16:58.620]So Ethan said at our launch of the prototype in April,
[00:17:04.830]he got up and and addressed the group who was there
[00:17:08.430]and he said, "I had the honor of reading, transcribing,
[00:17:10.830]and coding around 250 of Clarence's letters
[00:17:13.920]over the past two years.
[00:17:15.690]One of the big takeaways was the entire experience,
[00:17:18.360]from the entire experience, was that Clarence
[00:17:20.310]was a great man living in the worst of times."
[00:17:23.700]And he said," I was stuck in my bedroom
[00:17:25.350]for the first few months of the pandemic.
[00:17:27.750]Clarence And I had a lot of time alone.
[00:17:30.870]Over time, I discovered that Clarence
[00:17:33.120]and I weren't so different, although writing 80 years ago
[00:17:36.240]I found that we shared many interests
[00:17:38.910]like photography and playing cards.
[00:17:41.790]I mentioned these moments because Clarence's story
[00:17:44.160]exemplifies the focus of this project.
[00:17:47.040]He is a story of humanity.
[00:17:49.350]Even people living 80 years ago were just as human
[00:17:53.010]and as alive as we are today.
[00:17:55.440]They experience love, anger and confusion
[00:17:57.780]just as much as we do.
[00:17:59.700]By reading his letters, you too become a witness
[00:18:02.100]of human atrocity and engage in the most human of acts,
[00:18:08.250]It is my belief that studying history is in fact
[00:18:10.830]an act of human empathy."
[00:18:12.570]And this is Ethan continuing.
[00:18:14.767]"By understanding the life of others,
[00:18:16.800]we come to better understand our own life.
[00:18:19.170]That is why this project is so important
[00:18:21.210]and the results research are so invaluable.
[00:18:24.300]Clarence Williams was a great man living
[00:18:26.910]in the worst of times.
[00:18:28.320]We can all learn from him."
[00:18:31.320]And in this letter from April 30th that you can see
[00:18:36.360]Clarence was describing the day
[00:18:39.210]that his unit went into Dachau and liberated the camp.
[00:18:43.200]It's a four-page letter that I encourage everyone
[00:18:45.510]to go online and and view, but at the end of the letter
[00:18:48.900]he says, Clarence, this is all pretty probably boring
[00:18:52.890]to you, but you can you just can't picture such sites
[00:18:56.850]without seeing them with your own eyes.
[00:18:59.370]Well, darling, he tells his wife, Gretchen,
[00:19:02.190]guess that will be all for today
[00:19:03.930]except to tell you again, I love you worlds.
[00:19:08.130]So while the goals of this project were to bring
[00:19:10.140]disparate materials or is to bring disparate materials
[00:19:12.870]from outside collections from families and local resources,
[00:19:17.010]the outcome has actually been much more
[00:19:19.260]than the gathering of items.
[00:19:21.570]We have begun to understand that these narratives
[00:19:23.820]and digital avenues have vast implications
[00:19:26.490]for deep meaning making.
[00:19:29.460]Supportive and creative stakeholder group
[00:19:31.830]meets twice annually and has seen the potential
[00:19:34.860]in the use of varied resources.
[00:19:36.930]And we've also been very grateful to our donors
[00:19:39.510]who have made the project possible to this, to this point.
[00:19:44.070]The portal provides an excellent resource
[00:19:46.230]for educators to adapt among their teaching tools.
[00:19:49.110]particularly from the remote areas
[00:19:51.852]and rural areas of our state.
[00:19:54.240]And now that we have LB 888, educational programming
[00:19:58.230]and collaborations are high priority for us.
[00:20:00.540]And the next phase of the website
[00:20:03.810]will include review and also additional narratives.
[00:20:08.640]Thank you so much for sharing.
[00:20:13.500]It's so great to discover more
[00:20:15.660]and more information about what we're discovering.
[00:20:18.810]Yeah. Do we have any idea how many refugees there were
[00:20:22.830]in Nebraska at that time or?
[00:20:25.800]It's a great question.
[00:20:26.850]I, for some reason, I came up with about 200.
[00:20:29.790]I don't know that there were that many.
[00:20:32.034]And interestingly, we discovered notes
[00:20:37.470]from the Jewish Federation of Omaha.
[00:20:39.870]After the immigration organizations,
[00:20:42.600]there were Jewish, Jewish immigration organizations
[00:20:46.770]set up that would help Jewish refugees
[00:20:51.780]if they were able to get affidavits to come
[00:20:54.120]to the United States.
[00:20:55.770]Many did not have families to support those affidavits
[00:20:59.460]so these organizations would send them out
[00:21:02.310]to Jewish communities.
[00:21:04.744]So the Jewish Federation of Omaha has minutes
[00:21:07.590]from after a group of 30 people came
[00:21:11.220]and looking at those names, very few of those individuals
[00:21:13.980]actually stayed in Omaha or, or in Nebraska.
[00:21:19.110]But there were a few other names
[00:21:20.013]and, and we put those minutes up on our site as well.
[00:21:24.060]And there a couple of articles from the Jewish Press
[00:21:26.820]of families who came and remained
[00:21:29.460]and, and made a huge influence in the community
[00:21:34.320]with their work and just community relations.
[00:21:41.100]Are there any sort of themes that you pull out
[00:21:43.590]of all these individual stories that are
[00:21:45.660]sort of like overarching themes for the project?
[00:21:49.410]There are many, many themes.
[00:21:51.180]It's a great question.
[00:21:54.930]I think what comes up all the time,
[00:21:59.610]especially with the students who are working
[00:22:02.310]and even the programmers you know,
[00:22:04.890]when you, you're stopped cold in your in your place
[00:22:08.700]because you suddenly realize they were
[00:22:13.200]living down the street from us.
[00:22:14.760]They were somebody's parent that we didn't know
[00:22:18.840]that we went to school with.
[00:22:22.470]Oh, or oh, we used to frequent that tailor.
[00:22:25.920]Or my grandparent knew that doctor
[00:22:30.570]because my dad's a doctor.
[00:22:33.480]So those kinds of themes keep coming up.
[00:22:35.433]The, the intricacy of being connected to these individuals,
[00:22:40.200]they're not just a piece of history.
[00:22:42.690]They are truly our neighbors.
[00:22:46.290]And one of the things that we are looking forward to doing
[00:22:49.680]is creating network analysis, visuals
[00:22:55.290]so that we can see how people are connected in Nebraska,
[00:22:58.380]even though they may have no Holocaust connection
[00:23:04.200]That sounds exciting.
[00:23:05.033]So the project continues then as you add more pieces
[00:23:08.250]to the digital repository and continues on.
[00:23:12.570]So if people wanna find out more about this work,
[00:23:16.050]where should they go?
[00:23:17.190]So our website, our website URL is here on the side,
[00:23:24.665]on the screen.
[00:23:25.679]nestorieso humanity, all one word, dot edu.
[00:23:29.340]And for anyone interested in connecting with us directly
[00:23:34.050]there is a contact email there.
[00:23:38.880]And we have already had some people reach out
[00:23:43.110]about asking for a speaker.
[00:23:45.960]We are doing a project with History Nebraska and Blixt.
[00:23:50.418]They are dramatizing Clarence Williams' letters.
[00:23:55.818]Very cool. Wow.
[00:23:58.040]So that project will be starting in November.
[00:24:04.620]I think that just the support
[00:24:07.110]in the, in the Nebraska community
[00:24:09.900]has been really heartwarming
[00:24:11.850]and these relationships through the stakeholders
[00:24:14.730]we keep growing through that.
[00:24:17.130]And the Cooper Foundation, the Humanities Nebraska,
[00:24:23.610]the fact that they see so many, so much potential
[00:24:26.070]in the work as well as connecting it
[00:24:28.260]to educational possibilities
[00:24:31.500]has been really, really important.
[00:24:34.080]Fantastic. Well thank you so much.
[00:24:36.750]Thank you very much.
[00:24:38.280]We'd like to thank Beth Dotan for speaking with us today.
[00:24:41.280]Find all of our short Great Plains talks and interviews
[00:24:43.950]as videos and podcasts at go.unl.edu/gplectures.
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