Speed16-WIST: The Power of Mentorship to Female STEM Students
WIST: The Power of Mentorship to Female STEM Students
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics 2026 predictions, there will be a 19% increase in computer science jobs. Yet, women in the field have continued to decline since 2013 to an all-time low of 14%-18%. The pipeline for women in the area is marginally small, too, with 18% of women seeking computer science degrees in the United States. Montgomery County Community College also saw this trend with a decline in females enrolling in CIS courses. Montgomery County Community College Information Technology Department comprises 50% females from all different learning paths and has had a female IT leader since the 1980s. Our VP has been in the CIS field for over 50 years. The department women hold positions in both the hard and soft areas of IT, and many hold managerial roles. Since we saw the decline of females in CIS courses and are an anomaly to the statistic, we formed the Women in Science and Technology (WIST) group to help our female students. Our mission is to be a mentor and advocate for female retention and completion and a resource as they continue in their educational journey and career in STEM. Hear how we brought our vision and mission to reality, our successes and challenges, and our plans.
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[00:00:03.480]Our session is on Women in Science and Technology,
[00:00:06.430]the Power of Mentorship and Female STEM Students.
[00:00:11.090]As mentioned by Eric, please feel free to ask any questions.
[00:00:14.910]We'll be monitoring the chat as we're going back and forth
[00:00:18.170]and we hope to have time at the end.
[00:00:21.370]So to introduce ourselves, my name is Mary-Kate Najarian.
[00:00:25.320]I'm the Director of User Success and Learning Technologies
[00:00:28.280]at Montgomery County Community College.
[00:00:30.270]We're located right outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
[00:00:33.890]but my background is actually
[00:00:35.860]in television and radio engineering
[00:00:38.590]and I have a master's in instructional design
[00:00:41.230]and technology and a doctorate in executive leadership.
[00:00:44.300]And my team is the help desk as well
[00:00:47.680]as the technical and instructional designers.
[00:00:51.130]Hi, good afternoon.
[00:00:52.190]I'm Mary Beaver.
[00:00:53.130]I'm Director of Enterprise Software Systems
[00:00:56.000]and my background is in accounting.
[00:01:00.750]Hello, my name is Sarah Johnson
[00:01:02.830]and I'm an Enterprise Applications Analyst
[00:01:05.110]and my background is actually in marketing
[00:01:07.880]and management information systems.
[00:01:11.860]Hi, I'm Jennifer Kim
[00:01:13.080]and my background is actually a psychology.
[00:01:15.540]I have an undergraduate degree in psychology
[00:01:17.600]and I do have a certificate in computer networking.
[00:01:24.030]One of the things that we wanted to also acknowledge
[00:01:26.750]is the Innovation of the Year for 2019
[00:01:30.780]went to our team and our initiative.
[00:01:33.900]We had been in the works prior to that,
[00:01:35.520]but this is something that got nationally recognized.
[00:01:40.800]So how did this all come about and why did we start it?
[00:01:44.670]When we looked at the national trends,
[00:01:46.290]we didn't like what we were seeing
[00:01:47.670]for the students that identified themselves as females.
[00:01:52.290]So we realized that in order to make an impact
[00:01:55.470]we had to also start with us at the institution.
[00:01:59.210]So when we looked at the national trend and data,
[00:02:01.770]we saw that there was a concern
[00:02:03.560]for hiring females in this industry.
[00:02:08.230]And we are also saying,
[00:02:09.477]"Okay, let's look at our own institution
[00:02:11.817]"and see where the pipeline is to the careers
[00:02:15.147]"in computer science as well as any other STEM field."
[00:02:18.810]And we, for example, looked at our computer science area
[00:02:22.280]and we saw females enrollment
[00:02:24.630]in the computer science area was down
[00:02:26.980]and it continued to be down over several semesters.
[00:02:30.400]We also noticed that after the students
[00:02:32.460]got out of the initial one or two courses,
[00:02:35.320]the entry courses the persistent rate
[00:02:37.430]for the female students went down as well.
[00:02:39.870]We looked at our trends and said,
[00:02:42.270]okay, we do have almost a 50/50 split
[00:02:45.050]between females and male faculty members,
[00:02:48.260]as well as faculty members that
[00:02:50.650]were full-time faculty members.
[00:02:52.220]They were no longer in the industry
[00:02:54.220]as well as those were still in the industry.
[00:02:56.410]So we realized that this was a need
[00:03:00.050]that we need to get more females into the pipeline.
[00:03:02.980]And once we had them in the pipeline
[00:03:04.470]to keep them in the pipeline.
[00:03:09.043]So, how did we get here?
[00:03:10.170]So based off of both the national numbers
[00:03:12.380]in computer science and the college identified friends,
[00:03:15.170]it clearly pointed to a gap.
[00:03:16.770]So while there was a desire to help fill this gap,
[00:03:20.060]the question was, how?
[00:03:25.020]So, let's start with a little bit of backstory.
[00:03:27.210]Our IT department historically and currently
[00:03:29.810]defies the national end college trends.
[00:03:32.150]We have a VP who has worked
[00:03:33.920]over 50 years at the college in IT,
[00:03:36.190]starting out as a graduate of Montco
[00:03:38.060]with a degree in applied science.
[00:03:39.820]Additionally, our department is approximately 50% of female
[00:03:43.620]who are all career changers that did not start
[00:03:46.140]in the IT field.
[00:03:47.690]Given the career experience
[00:03:49.230]and the supportive nature of our own department,
[00:03:51.320]we have the ability and desire to extend the support
[00:03:53.980]to our students.
[00:03:59.200]So when we were looking at our own institution
[00:04:01.340]and how our department was built up,
[00:04:03.850]we realized that there was actually no females
[00:04:07.040]in our infrastructure area.
[00:04:08.770]And one of the things that our VP Celeste said is,
[00:04:13.200]we gotta reevaluate our experience for that pipeline.
[00:04:18.650]So one of the things that we have at our institution
[00:04:21.360]is a giving circle.
[00:04:23.170]It's called Leading Women.
[00:04:24.770]It's a philanthropy group and they created
[00:04:27.090]a paid internship opportunity in this space
[00:04:30.510]where it would help bridge the gap for students to career.
[00:04:34.390]And we were lucky today that,
[00:04:37.280]Jennifer Kim was actually one of our first recipients
[00:04:40.130]and she actually went through that experience.
[00:04:44.920]Yeah, so from my own personal experience,
[00:04:47.070]I can really speak to in a test of the fact that
[00:04:50.446]it really is important to bridge that gap
[00:04:51.990]between formal education and workforce,
[00:04:54.820]especially as a non-traditional student
[00:04:56.750]and being a career changer.
[00:04:58.160]There's just a greater need to address the intent
[00:05:01.040]and ability when you're getting to the workforce.
[00:05:03.960]This was, obviously once I was completing
[00:05:07.060]my certificate program this was the exact issue
[00:05:09.750]that I was facing.
[00:05:10.740]How do you prove to potential employers that you have
[00:05:12.840]what they're looking for?
[00:05:14.310]So ideally, the school to career gap is addressed through
[00:05:17.980]an internship where you can apply and demonstrate
[00:05:20.370]your learnt skills and start to build
[00:05:22.130]your interpersonal network.
[00:05:23.690]So having no real work experience myself
[00:05:25.960]in this particular area with my bachelor's
[00:05:28.640]in psychology and work experience following suit,
[00:05:31.930]the timing for the internship opportunity
[00:05:34.810]couldn't have been better.
[00:05:35.830]I applied to the internship.
[00:05:38.280]I was offered and accepted the position,
[00:05:40.460]which turned out to be even better than imagined.
[00:05:43.440]And so with that internship and afterwards,
[00:05:46.010]I was ready to start my career then.
[00:05:48.640]And with some lucky timing, I was actually able to stay
[00:05:51.390]with Montco and have been there for six years now.
[00:05:54.500]So all the while what's the underlying theme?
[00:05:57.050]The underlying theme was mentorship and support.
[00:05:59.710]So let's keep this momentum going.
[00:06:03.110]So how did we go from an internship
[00:06:06.290]to the Women in Science and Technology Initiative?
[00:06:12.170]So in 2017 I attended EDUCAUSE
[00:06:16.010]and I attended a panel session that consisted
[00:06:19.350]of four female VPs of information technology.
[00:06:23.400]And that panel was asked the question,
[00:06:26.660]what advice do you have for supervisors, managers
[00:06:30.580]and leaders with respect to fostering the development
[00:06:34.110]of women in their careers?
[00:06:36.270]And Sharon Pitt from the University of Delaware
[00:06:39.400]talked about the program that they had at their institution,
[00:06:43.220]which supported women in technology.
[00:06:46.300]So I thought, could we do something like that at Montgomery?
[00:06:51.350]So when I got back to campus I asked, Celeste, our VP,
[00:06:56.420]to see if we could take on this initiative.
[00:06:59.490]And we got her approval and I recruited my colleagues
[00:07:03.100]which consisted of IT administrators and CIS faculty.
[00:07:07.670]Then we actually reached out to other colleges
[00:07:10.900]who had similar groups just to get an idea of how to start.
[00:07:19.490]So after talking with the other schools
[00:07:22.050]who developed similar groups we realized that these schools
[00:07:25.900]chose between two possible paths,
[00:07:29.510]be a group to support and promote current females
[00:07:33.460]already working in tech positions at the college,
[00:07:37.170]or be a support group for students.
[00:07:40.580]And since our current IT department
[00:07:43.050]and our CIS teaching faculty are both approximately
[00:07:47.220]50% female we realized that we already had
[00:07:50.890]a strong internal professional support group.
[00:07:54.150]So we decided at the very beginning that our group
[00:07:57.270]would be a resource to students.
[00:07:59.990]And we knew...
[00:08:01.700]Can you go back to the next, sorry.
[00:08:03.960]So we knew that we wanted to,
[00:08:05.840]for our students,
[00:08:07.080]improve retention in CIS programs
[00:08:10.330]and recruit more students interested in the tech field.
[00:08:14.760]We also wanted to be a mentor to students
[00:08:17.570]and connect them with resources and opportunities.
[00:08:21.020]So how did we go about doing that?
[00:08:24.208]We had to define our mission.
[00:08:26.090]And then we engaged in brainstorming conversations
[00:08:30.114]around the college and then we actually surveyed
[00:08:33.040]our female students.
[00:08:36.750]So this is our mission.
[00:08:41.520]Our mission is to be a resource
[00:08:45.150]to female identifying students at our college
[00:08:48.540]and to encourage retention and completion in STEM fields.
[00:08:56.180]So how did we promote WIST?
[00:08:59.920]We had conversations with everyone across campus.
[00:09:02.830]We had conversations for all the key stakeholders.
[00:09:05.990]We talked to the deans,
[00:09:07.780]we talked to the associate VPs, the VPs,
[00:09:11.770]the advisors, career services, enrollment services,
[00:09:16.410]the STEM coordinators.
[00:09:18.830]We wanted to tell them about our initiative.
[00:09:21.430]We got the approvals from all the VPs
[00:09:25.090]and from our college president,
[00:09:27.360]but we wanted to make it very, very clear
[00:09:29.840]that we were not a replacement to advisors
[00:09:33.070]or to faculty members.
[00:09:35.300]We wanted to make it very clear
[00:09:36.830]that we were another avenue of support,
[00:09:39.810]that we wanted to be mentors to them.
[00:09:43.760]So now that we promoted WIST amongst our colleagues,
[00:09:49.110]we needed to promote WIST amongst our students.
[00:09:53.120]So we then surveyed our female students
[00:09:56.860]and told them about our initiative
[00:09:59.320]and ask them if they would be interested
[00:10:01.270]and then we actually held meet and greets.
[00:10:11.350]All right, so we have our idea and we have the approval
[00:10:15.370]now what do we do?
[00:10:17.070]So to initially engage with our students,
[00:10:18.910]as Mary said we decided to send out a survey
[00:10:21.340]to better understand their needs.
[00:10:24.090]So our population consisted
[00:10:25.760]of the female identifying students
[00:10:27.780]that were in technical degree and certificate programs
[00:10:30.970]but we also included a small population
[00:10:33.640]of non-STEM students that were taking one or two CIS courses
[00:10:39.800]to fulfill a tech requirement because we saw that
[00:10:43.770]if they got their feet wet in a technical course
[00:10:47.850]then sometimes at least one of these two courses,
[00:10:50.780]they were likely to change their major to a STEM major.
[00:10:54.430]So we wanted to bring those students in as well
[00:10:56.810]being that the four of us came from
[00:10:59.830]non-technical backgrounds to begin with.
[00:11:03.330]Another initial touch point
[00:11:05.340]was our technology and learning conference
[00:11:07.560]that the college hosts every fall.
[00:11:09.800]So since conferences could be overwhelming
[00:11:11.810]especially since most students haven't attended any of them,
[00:11:15.500]we sent out an email with some specific sessions
[00:11:18.130]that they thought they might be interested in
[00:11:20.910]and then we held a meet and greet afterwards
[00:11:23.870]so that we could discuss their experience.
[00:11:26.430]And we also, the picture that's on this slide,
[00:11:30.270]we made a video introducing ourselves
[00:11:32.790]that was really fun to make
[00:11:34.740]and we thought it was important to create a video
[00:11:37.090]to introduce ourselves instead of just having pictures
[00:11:40.260]because we wanted to make sure that the students saw us
[00:11:43.560]as humans and not just someone behind a computer screen.
[00:11:47.340]So that was really fun.
[00:11:53.860]So through our survey and discussions with the students
[00:11:56.240]we identified multiple challenges
[00:11:58.150]that our students were facing.
[00:11:59.910]And since we're a community college,
[00:12:01.670]our students are all commuters.
[00:12:04.890]We don't have any residence halls.
[00:12:06.610]So students rely on their car or public transportation
[00:12:10.460]to get to the campus.
[00:12:12.290]Additionally, if they're not attending courses
[00:12:16.210]they are working full-time or part-time or raising families
[00:12:21.970]and then when they are attending courses,
[00:12:23.530]it's typically part-time so we really had to find a way
[00:12:27.110]to meet them where they are.
[00:12:29.160]So what we did is we typically held our events
[00:12:32.927]at two different times,
[00:12:34.520]one during the day and one during the evening.
[00:12:37.150]We'd also meet with them one-on-one randomly during the day
[00:12:41.360]'cause some students were only on campus one day a week.
[00:12:45.090]So we wanted to make sure that
[00:12:46.790]we could still meet with them
[00:12:47.850]even if it wasn't always in a group setting.
[00:12:51.430]Another challenge was making sure we covered topics
[00:12:54.680]of interest and benefit to the diverse group of members.
[00:12:57.750]So we usually designed events and topics based on
[00:13:01.020]the feedback from our students.
[00:13:07.610]Okay, so we officially started
[00:13:09.680]the Women in Science and Technology in September of 2019.
[00:13:13.490]So between then and March of 2020
[00:13:16.210]we held multiple in-person meet and greets
[00:13:19.180]where we would provide lunch or a light snack.
[00:13:22.960]We also had one-on-one meetings in the cafeteria
[00:13:26.270]or one of the cafes around campus.
[00:13:29.920]If you're going to try to get students to come
[00:13:33.340]and meet you somewhere, have food, always have food.
[00:13:37.010]It's very enticing.
[00:13:38.340]Even if we got them in the door for 10 minutes.
[00:13:40.390]We at least had enough time to get to know them
[00:13:42.670]and then we'd see them on campus when we'd be walking around
[00:13:45.320]and we would be able to have that
[00:13:46.890]personal exchange with them.
[00:13:50.443]Another way that we would interact with students
[00:13:53.840]is through the advisors.
[00:13:55.670]So if a student was having an issue with a course
[00:13:58.300]or thinking about changing their major
[00:14:00.400]the advisors would reach out to us and do an introduction.
[00:14:05.800]So I would say building a close relationship
[00:14:08.980]with our advisors was very critical
[00:14:11.310]to the success of this program.
[00:14:13.600]And if a student was struggling with a course
[00:14:15.950]typically they tell their advisor
[00:14:17.930]and we would always push them
[00:14:19.690]to first use the institution's tutoring services.
[00:14:23.050]But if they couldn't, then we would reach out
[00:14:25.380]to one of our colleagues in IT
[00:14:27.330]that specialized in those specific skills
[00:14:29.820]and they would actually provide assistance
[00:14:32.170]to those students.
[00:14:33.600]So the tutoring wasn't always as thorough
[00:14:36.540]in the hardware courses so it was nice that
[00:14:40.360]the students could come in
[00:14:41.430]and actually meet with our hardware team
[00:14:44.500]and networking team.
[00:14:47.460]This also brought to light some curriculum barriers
[00:14:50.010]that we were able to address
[00:14:51.680]with the deans and coordinators.
[00:14:53.290]So it was very critical as Mary noted that
[00:14:56.550]we had the approval from our deans and coordinators
[00:15:00.580]and advisors and VPs and everyone was on board
[00:15:03.740]because we really wanted to use all the resources
[00:15:05.910]that the college had to offer
[00:15:07.230]to make sure that these students were successful.
[00:15:10.310]So when we came across curriculum barriers,
[00:15:13.750]for example, if we have multiple students
[00:15:15.870]having the same tutoring issue with the same classes,
[00:15:19.250]then we were able to reach out to the deans and coordinators
[00:15:21.720]to get that addressed.
[00:15:23.800]And also through the tutoring we realized that
[00:15:26.340]students enjoyed the exposure
[00:15:28.070]to different areas of the department.
[00:15:29.920]So we started to offer job shadowing.
[00:15:32.570]For job shadowing,
[00:15:33.500]we recreated a list of the different roles
[00:15:35.700]and their responsibilities in our area
[00:15:38.100]and what we did was we allowed the students to pick
[00:15:40.130]two to three roles that they were interested in
[00:15:42.800]and they spent about an hour or so with each person
[00:15:46.320]learning about what they did.
[00:15:49.080]And then our help desk which reports up to Mary-Kate
[00:15:52.100]is predominantly staffed by students.
[00:15:54.210]So when positions were available,
[00:15:56.540]we would share this out with the students
[00:15:58.180]that are part of the WIST group and so far,
[00:16:00.170]we've actually had three students work for our help desk.
[00:16:04.070]And besides our own positions in promoting our own positions
[00:16:08.320]we would regularly have colleagues from our career services
[00:16:11.080]talk with students about job opportunities, internships
[00:16:14.540]and then hold resume writing courses.
[00:16:22.940]But then in March of 2020 everything stopped,
[00:16:27.140]the administrators and faculty
[00:16:29.300]that volunteer their time to WIST we're all in the trenches
[00:16:32.580]trying to update systems and processes to convert
[00:16:35.920]all of the face-to-face academics and operations to online.
[00:16:40.590]So although we didn't plan any events during this time
[00:16:43.720]we still did talk with our students through email
[00:16:46.360]and address any needs that they had.
[00:16:49.130]And then it wasn't until July
[00:16:50.490]that we had our first virtual meet and greet
[00:16:52.820]and this was more of a checkup.
[00:16:54.500]We asked them, how are they doing?
[00:16:56.760]How're your courses?
[00:16:59.510]We really wanted them to know that we were right there
[00:17:02.670]because we were all working from home,
[00:17:04.630]most of us we're working from home with children
[00:17:07.010]so we were all in the chaos together.
[00:17:09.570]And we wanted to let them know that our goal
[00:17:11.820]was to find a way to help them in this new online format,
[00:17:16.230]especially because our institution implemented
[00:17:18.770]so many resources during the pandemic.
[00:17:21.620]I mean, everything that you can make virtual,
[00:17:24.070]we made virtual and then some...
[00:17:26.860]So one of the good things that came out of the pandemic
[00:17:30.510]is that a 100% of conferences were virtual
[00:17:35.330]and we tried to use that
[00:17:37.340]to a benefit to our students
[00:17:38.960]by covering the cost of the 2020 Grace Hopper Celebration.
[00:17:44.210]So we sent about a handful of students to this conference
[00:17:47.080]and they were all really excited.
[00:17:48.420]They got exposure to so many things
[00:17:50.850]and I wouldn't be surprised if some of them
[00:17:52.610]wanted to change their major after the conference
[00:17:54.780]but any exposure we could give them, we tried.
[00:17:59.320]We also sent out details of other conferences
[00:18:02.380]and all those students had to pay their own way
[00:18:04.480]for those conferences if they weren't free.
[00:18:07.160]We wanted to make them aware of what was out there.
[00:18:10.030]And then we also began to offer job shadowing again.
[00:18:15.760]So as we continue to operate remotely,
[00:18:18.370]we started to utilize our new college portal
[00:18:21.350]called Montco Connect which Mary-Kate
[00:18:23.300]is gonna cover in a little bit.
[00:18:25.430]And some of our team members also held panel discussions
[00:18:29.670]during computer science courses.
[00:18:31.590]So that was some nice group interaction
[00:18:34.230]with students where they are able to ask questions
[00:18:36.720]and learn more about tech careers.
[00:18:40.370]And to finish off the spring semester,
[00:18:43.310]we're actually planning to recognize our graduates
[00:18:46.220]this month with some fun Montco swag just to let them know
[00:18:50.880]how proud we are of their accomplishments
[00:18:54.010]and for persisting through to get their degree.
[00:19:00.480]So with every new initiative there's always challenges
[00:19:03.750]and we've kind of talked about it throughout the whole thing
[00:19:06.820]but we wanted to make sure we emphasize a few things.
[00:19:10.300]Making sure you create a balance for your student,
[00:19:13.600]you as is, your student population.
[00:19:17.190]Everyone's facing challenges with work, life, schooling,
[00:19:21.240]trying to figure out how everything is working
[00:19:23.560]and where they are going for their career paths.
[00:19:26.010]So through conversations and mentorship,
[00:19:28.300]it's important but also understanding what mentorship is.
[00:19:31.970]It's not telling them what to do,
[00:19:33.390]it's helping them guide through the process.
[00:19:36.710]Getting the students exposure to opportunities.
[00:19:39.080]That also meant that we had to expose ourselves outside
[00:19:42.410]of our normal areas to make sure that
[00:19:44.170]we were providing resources to the students.
[00:19:48.750]We continue to support the different projects
[00:19:50.700]and initiatives at the institution.
[00:19:52.600]So it was important for us to keep this in our forefront
[00:19:56.530]and constantly be reaching out to the students
[00:19:58.943]because the students may or may not
[00:20:00.740]feel that they could reach out.
[00:20:01.980]So by creating that collaborative,
[00:20:03.930]as well as open environment, we were more likely
[00:20:06.450]to maintain them and keep them in the pipeline.
[00:20:11.000]We had more opportunities for strategic outreach
[00:20:15.460]with us being remote we realized that there's
[00:20:17.620]other avenues that we could explore.
[00:20:19.560]So we're gonna use that.
[00:20:20.600]Keep that in mind as we move forward.
[00:20:23.400]And then we also need to keep our programming and resources
[00:20:27.210]that we provide to our students
[00:20:29.250]both for the traditional student if you're
[00:20:30.577]18, 19 year old college student as well as the adults
[00:20:35.080]that are coming back for a second career.
[00:20:39.330]So Sarah mentioned Montco Connect,
[00:20:42.356]Montco Connect is actually our portal.
[00:20:44.470]We launched in July of 2020.
[00:20:46.490]It was scheduled to be July of 2020
[00:20:49.770]and we kept that in place because we felt
[00:20:52.140]it was gonna be important.
[00:20:54.240]The new portal is more of your LinkedIn, Facebook like feel
[00:20:58.260]so when you log into our portal it has a list of activities,
[00:21:03.120]things of announcements that might be of importance.
[00:21:06.030]So any student that has been a part of our WIST group
[00:21:09.690]or will be a part of our WIST group is included into
[00:21:13.560]this community of space that we have for WIST.
[00:21:16.880]And we use that as a central location
[00:21:19.720]'cause we knew that that was gonna be one of our barriers
[00:21:22.320]and we identified it early we just had to
[00:21:24.490]find something to work and this is one of the ways
[00:21:26.940]that we did this.
[00:21:28.060]So we leveraged that Montco Connect portal
[00:21:30.950]to provide the students in one space.
[00:21:33.940]Communication, events, outreach,
[00:21:37.930]any additional things that we might wanna share with them.
[00:21:41.430]And we're proud to say that's also
[00:21:43.280]an Innovation of the Year Award winner for 2020.
[00:21:47.840]So with our barriers and our challenges and where things are
[00:21:53.670]we have increased the ideas of additional speakers,
[00:21:57.780]additional outreach for our students
[00:22:00.870]for the next year and moving on.
[00:22:05.200]We've received feedback from the students continuously
[00:22:07.770]that they appreciate what we've provided to them.
[00:22:10.530]We've given an exposure that
[00:22:11.950]they never knew that they needed.
[00:22:14.530]And as Sarah said, these students are getting ready
[00:22:17.830]to graduate so they have seen that value.
[00:22:21.480]And then we talk about our own struggles with the students
[00:22:25.400]to help them kind of advance through the process.
[00:22:32.860]So we thank you for attending our session today
[00:22:36.050]and on the screen is a listing of all of our contacts.
[00:22:40.440]If you are interested in forming a similar group
[00:22:43.770]or if you have a group on campus like this
[00:22:47.390]and you wanna share ideas please reach out to us.
[00:22:52.090]We're more than happy to have a conversation.
[00:22:54.800]And we thank you for your time.
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