Speed09-Remote Learning Inside the Virtual Carson Center and Mozilla Hubs
Remote Learning Inside the Virtual Carson Center and Mozilla Hubs
When COVID-19 closed the Carson Center's doors at 13th and Q Streets, the virtual Carson Center's doors opened inside Mozilla Hubs. Seizing the pandemic as an opportunity to try alternative remote learning platforms, Carson Center faculty Ash Smith, Jesse Fleming, Anna Henson, and creative technologist-in-residence Ben Kreimer have been meeting classes in Mozilla Hubs, including inside a virtual Carson Center. A free, open-source and browser-based virtual-world for social experiences, Hubs works on computers, mobile devices, and virtual reality headsets. Users embody avatars and can explore 3D environments, walk up and talk to other people/avatars, and speak to groups, providing a virtual social experience akin to face-to-face in-person interaction. By importing images, videos, text, audio, and 3D models, faculty and students have used Hubs for world-building, user experience design exercises, live action role-playing, and other remote learning experiences. The virtual Carson Center also hosted the Spring 2020 Open Studios event, where students created 3D environments to present their work, and interacted with visitors from around the nation and world. The Carson Center panelists will show how they have used Mozilla Hubs for remote learning, and show participants how they can use the platform for teaching, social interaction, and events.
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[00:00:02.180]So I'm, I'm Ben Kreimer here with colleagues
[00:00:05.850]from the Johnny Carson Center for Emerging Media Arts.
[00:00:08.960]Ash Smith, Jesse Fleming, and
[00:00:12.500]Anna Henson I believe is here on the list to.
[00:00:14.858]I'm technologist in residence.
[00:00:16.940]I'll let my colleagues introduce themselves.
[00:00:21.210]Hi, I am a assistant professor of Emerging Media Arts
[00:00:23.840]at the Johnny Carson school of Emerging Media Arts,
[00:00:25.900]Ash Eliza Smith.
[00:00:28.600]Hi, I'm Jesse Fleming
[00:00:30.480]also assistant professor of Emerging Media Arts.
[00:00:40.490]Don't see, Anna.
[00:00:43.670]Should we go to the presentation?
[00:00:50.040]So we're going to
[00:00:52.120]talk about the work that we've been doing
[00:00:53.710]inside of Mozilla hubs
[00:00:56.780]and we're going to show some examples
[00:01:01.010]and Jesse is going to kick us off here.
[00:01:08.500]Okay. So hopefully all of our technology
[00:01:09.469]Okay. So hopefully all of our technology
[00:01:12.720]that we've set up for you
[00:01:13.553]is working as we present technology.
[00:01:24.300]So this is The Carson Center for Emerging Media Arts.
[00:01:27.460]It opened in 2019.
[00:01:28.317]It opened in 2019.
[00:01:30.670]Some of you are aware of it.
[00:01:33.760]It's a, it's a lively place.
[00:01:35.630]It's a place where we make work.
[00:01:37.830]We exhibit work, we critique work.
[00:01:43.190]It's pretty intimate.
[00:01:45.500]This is a class I was teaching.
[00:01:47.880]It was snowing out.
[00:01:48.880]So we did a, like a fireside lounge
[00:01:52.960]and we were just really getting started
[00:01:55.135]and we were just really getting started
[00:01:57.120]and building out and developing our culture.
[00:01:59.240]When you know what happened to us happen to everyone
[00:02:03.430]this kind of poof moment
[00:02:09.790]we had to think of a new opportunity.
[00:02:11.467]we had to think of a new opportunity.
[00:02:13.437]We had to evacuate the space.
[00:02:15.685]We wanted to use this time as an example of
[00:02:18.467]We wanted to use this time as an example of
[00:02:22.660]one of our teaching mantras,
[00:02:24.320]our work mantras that
[00:02:26.550]limitations or constraints are, are our opportunities.
[00:02:31.650]This is a artwork by an artist named James Darell, which is
[00:02:35.190]this is a little cutout in a, in a ceiling
[00:02:38.110]and thought it was a good sort of analog for that approach.
[00:02:44.170]The, the notion
[00:02:45.555]The, the notion
[00:02:47.660]is that whatever's in front of you, you can pivot and change
[00:02:50.128]is that whatever's in front of you, you can pivot and change
[00:02:53.160]and use as sort of guideposts to your creative response.
[00:02:53.993]and use as sort of guideposts to your creative response.
[00:03:00.813]that we still needed a space to meet collectively.
[00:03:03.820]We needed a place to create work
[00:03:06.790]and we needed to a place to review and critique work.
[00:03:10.300]And eventually we wanted to continue with this
[00:03:13.870]this new founded
[00:03:15.830]tradition that we built
[00:03:17.150]of open studios and opening that up to the public.
[00:03:22.200]So we spent a lot of time.
[00:03:23.954]So we spent a lot of time.
[00:03:25.430]I was working with Ben and Ash
[00:03:28.000]at that point,
[00:03:29.273]you know, meeting at nights
[00:03:31.440]figuring out what's the technology we could use.
[00:03:34.390]How can we move forward?
[00:03:37.993]And we identified this thing called Mozilla hubs
[00:03:40.930]and Mozilla hubs.
[00:03:43.020]Ben will tell you more about it.
[00:03:44.370]And I think
[00:03:45.470]that the slides I have attached
[00:03:53.580]Can you play those on your end Ash?
[00:03:59.130]So I'm sorry.
[00:04:00.130]I tried to fix the permissions.
[00:04:01.730]They're not playing, but it's okay
[00:04:05.980]that's going to get sorted out
[00:04:11.660]during Ben's presentations, but essentially it, it
[00:04:15.740]it was this place that
[00:04:16.931]it was this place that
[00:04:19.230]we could meet spatially
[00:04:20.120]we could meet spatially
[00:04:22.590]and we could repurpose the center and use
[00:04:24.145]and we could repurpose the center and use
[00:04:27.240]a lot of the affordances of the emerging art media art space
[00:04:30.840]which is immersive and sometimes virtual.
[00:04:34.730]So, Ben I'll hand it over to you to take over.
[00:04:41.330]Okay. So what is Mozilla hubs?
[00:04:43.870]Well, it's, it's a Mozilla product it's free
[00:04:46.940]and open source,
[00:04:48.222]and there's a
[00:04:49.055]and there's a
[00:04:49.888]a cloud-based version that is highly customizable.
[00:04:52.730]Then there's the free version that anybody can access.
[00:04:55.670]Anybody can build with, which is what we used.
[00:04:58.160]And you can get that at hubs.mozilla.com.
[00:05:01.610]And it's essentially a 3d virtual world
[00:05:04.660]for synchronous social gatherings.
[00:05:07.060]And you can also create asynchronous experiences as well.
[00:05:09.970]And it's a multimedia platform.
[00:05:12.540]It lets you bring in 3d assets
[00:05:14.040]3d files, 3d models, audio files, images, video
[00:05:15.266]3d files, 3d models, audio files, images, video
[00:05:18.750]and they could be live or prerecorded videos.
[00:05:22.620]And it's hubs is accessible in web browsers
[00:05:25.510]and you can access hubs using virtual reality goggles,
[00:05:28.930]mobile devices, computers, and again, it's browser based.
[00:05:31.930]And so it's, it's very user-friendly
[00:05:34.300]and anybody who's using
[00:05:36.110]any one of those devices can,
[00:05:39.040]everybody can interact together.
[00:05:40.430]So you can be on VR goggles
[00:05:41.900]and somebody else can be on a mobile device
[00:05:44.080]and you will appear as avatars in the hubs environment.
[00:05:58.910]Can you play that Ash?
[00:06:00.743]I don't know why it's not playing.
[00:06:09.100]Well, that's odd
[00:06:09.980]Well, that's odd
[00:06:15.970]Okay. Can you, Ash, just hit play
[00:06:17.600]and then can you bump us up to YouTube real quick?
[00:06:25.820]So real quick, just to show what hubs looks like
[00:06:29.670]when you load it in the browser
[00:06:31.000]you're able to turn on your microphone
[00:06:33.100]test your, test your, your speakers, headphones and
[00:06:38.750]using this we had students create Storyworld,
[00:06:42.670]they created their semester work
[00:06:44.690]and brought it into these hubs rooms.
[00:06:46.110]So here we're on the moon for Ben Reichley's
[00:06:49.430]end of semester project.
[00:06:51.120]And so hubs became a building space where different kinds
[00:06:55.230]of media assets, different kinds of class work was brought
[00:06:59.730]for both class critiques, as well as an open studios event
[00:07:05.240]which occurred at the very end of the semester.
[00:07:07.600]And so literally
[00:07:08.433]Ben took us to the moon here
[00:07:10.180]and Ash jump forward a bit in the video.
[00:07:14.770]So he was able to bring in different media components
[00:07:17.900]from the coursework that he had done
[00:07:19.680]throughout the semester.
[00:07:26.530]And jump forward some more.
[00:07:28.607]Okay, so here,
[00:07:32.240]actually jump forward some more
[00:07:34.450]about halfway through.
[00:07:39.420]Great. So here in this screenshot, there would be audio
[00:07:42.730]but it's it's muted for this.
[00:07:46.080]here we have a critique, a class critique going on
[00:07:50.380]so all the students and the professors and myself.
[00:07:54.213]We are seeing the work of students live.
[00:07:56.163]We are seeing the work of students live.
[00:07:58.310]And so it's kind of a virtual classroom environment.
[00:08:01.320]Each student made their own room
[00:08:02.980]and took us around to show us their work.
[00:08:04.660]And so Ash skip to close to the end
[00:08:07.250]about halfway to the end.
[00:08:14.107]And so here, this is a scene from open studios
[00:08:17.290]and we had people from around the world
[00:08:19.090]and here Ben is taking us around his room.
[00:08:29.180]So we had people from around the world.
[00:08:30.810]I had a friend in Tunisia, in a VR headset join us
[00:08:35.070]if you, Ash, can you click
[00:08:38.360]just before this
[00:08:41.480]scroll back a little bit, keep going, keep going.
[00:08:44.920]Right here. Perfect.
[00:08:47.820]And so in addition to student rooms
[00:08:49.940]we had the virtual Carson Center services
[00:08:51.980]sort of central meeting place for the event.
[00:08:54.150]We had a live DJ
[00:08:55.200]and this is where people would congregate
[00:08:58.950]enter into the open studios event.
[00:09:00.810]And from here on the walls
[00:09:03.150]you would see like posters of the students in their rooms.
[00:09:10.490]So you can jump back to the presentation.
[00:09:13.366]And the last thing
[00:09:25.690]Right now the videos are working.
[00:09:27.660]Totally confused by technology here.
[00:09:39.090]So the way that this works
[00:09:40.810]and I want to just highlight this.
[00:09:41.930]So we, we literally got the architectural 3d models
[00:09:45.620]from the architects that design, or that sort of
[00:09:48.170]rebuilt the building for the Johnny Carson Center
[00:09:51.300]and using those architectural drawings.
[00:09:53.300]We took them into Mozilla hubs.
[00:09:56.190]Here's the exterior with three of us.
[00:09:59.380]And the way that you work inside of hubs
[00:10:02.300]there's really two ways.
[00:10:03.133]One is within spoke.
[00:10:04.090]So if you're familiar with unity or unreal game engines.
[00:10:08.120]Spoke is hubs built-in browser-based
[00:10:11.150]through creation tool where you can bring in your 3d assets
[00:10:14.500]and place them like I did here
[00:10:15.880]with the Carson Center 3d model from the architects.
[00:10:19.260]And then also when you're inside
[00:10:20.790]of a hubs room as an avatar, as we saw in video clips before
[00:10:24.490]you can then also spawn or create video clips
[00:10:27.290]and images to show.
[00:10:38.550]I don't see Anna.
[00:10:39.680]So Ash, do you want to jump ahead?
[00:10:48.750]Sorry. I was muted. Here I am.
[00:10:52.440]So we actually in fall of 2021.
[00:10:53.717]So we actually in fall of 2021.
[00:10:55.980]So this is a different semester moving outside
[00:10:58.180]of that event and open studios and critiques.
[00:11:00.770]While I was teaching a story lab, all remote that last fall,
[00:11:04.810]we use Mozilla hubs to reimagine the Haymarket,
[00:11:08.100]a marketplace of the future in a hundred years.
[00:11:11.010]So we drew from the history of markets.
[00:11:12.740]Past as a bustling Depot here on the left,
[00:11:15.240]the present a weekened farmer's market
[00:11:17.180]and the future what it might be in a hundred years.
[00:11:21.360]for most of my students
[00:11:22.940]this was the first time that they've ever used hubs
[00:11:26.570]as a tool for all phases of our project.
[00:11:28.740]They were foundation first year students.
[00:11:31.090]And so they, they began the process by writing
[00:11:34.800]to a prompt or a design brief that I had given them.
[00:11:37.880]And that briefs
[00:11:38.920]I'm just going to read you the beginning of it.
[00:11:40.370]So you get an idea of the project.
[00:11:42.050]The year is 2120 and much of the world has changed
[00:11:44.749]as we know it.
[00:11:46.200]A new economic and government system
[00:11:48.060]has re-invigorated Lincoln's Haymarket
[00:11:50.060]and made it the primary way that humans get their food,
[00:11:52.610]water and energy.
[00:11:54.010]There are no more box stores, which have all been
[00:11:56.610]neatly been converted to meet the needs of housing humans.
[00:12:00.180]And so the prop continues on and you can imagine
[00:12:03.116]but it became a jumping off point for people to
[00:12:05.610]start writing prose and to start imagining their worlds.
[00:12:10.570]So, first of all
[00:12:11.410]what we did with some narrative previous visualization.
[00:12:14.070]We created the architectural model, very exact
[00:12:17.150]exact same way as Ben just showed in the last case
[00:12:20.650]where model the model students
[00:12:22.900]took screenshots and be- began collaging or drawing
[00:12:25.830]over this to begin pre-visualizing what might be.
[00:12:29.140]And so you can see on the left there's someone's vision
[00:12:31.690]on the right another student's vision.
[00:12:34.220]And we shared all of these ideas
[00:12:36.060]into a Murrow board that let us begin
[00:12:37.880]co-constructing the world.
[00:12:39.420]So we got to see what all kinds of students
[00:12:41.880]and we really did take a version
[00:12:44.100]of the Haymarket train Depot to start doing this.
[00:12:49.270]And so this became a place for us to brainstorm
[00:12:52.350]and co-construct and co-create and co-author together.
[00:12:56.620]Now, the next thing that happened was
[00:12:59.150]that we had to do a little bit of creative solutioning.
[00:13:01.890]Mozilla hubs like many different kinds
[00:13:04.330]of online social VR platforms.
[00:13:05.762]of online social VR platforms.
[00:13:07.550]You do have bandwidth issues.
[00:13:09.130]And so all the time we had to limit people in one room.
[00:13:13.690]Also there's certain students, you know, working
[00:13:15.570]in different rural environments that might not
[00:13:17.310]have that strong of bandwidth.
[00:13:18.450]So as a solution
[00:13:19.283]So as a solution
[00:13:20.300]we created an above ground and a below ground black market.
[00:13:23.630]And this took students' ideas even further
[00:13:25.680]in terms of storytelling.
[00:13:27.160]It's a great example.
[00:13:28.100]As, as Jesse set up in the very first part
[00:13:29.802]of how limitations could turn into an affordance.
[00:13:34.130]So the next thing we did was we set the scene
[00:13:37.260]with props, design fictions.
[00:13:39.640]Students were tasked with setting the scene by bringing
[00:13:41.750]in these objects and signage that they felt important
[00:13:44.230]to their story ideas and characters.
[00:13:46.320]Here, we can see a student thinking about
[00:13:47.790]Kanye west meditation on the left
[00:13:49.710]and clone rights on the right.
[00:13:52.560]So this design and hubs push many of their prose writing
[00:13:55.330]what just was kind of stagnant on a page
[00:13:58.100]to even further develop and became a generative space
[00:14:00.980]for expanding on nascent story ideas.
[00:14:03.850]We then embarked on live action role-playing
[00:14:06.610]where students were asked to bring their characters in
[00:14:08.900]as avatars and to act as them
[00:14:11.150]as an improvisational form inside of hubs.
[00:14:13.840]And students jumped back and forth
[00:14:15.440]on both sides of the markets
[00:14:16.690]from the black market to the above ground market
[00:14:19.190]and new and interesting opportunities arose
[00:14:21.220]for storytelling from both of these.
[00:14:23.150]And over on the left.
[00:14:23.983]You might see an actual image
[00:14:25.690]of what we might think of as a lark or live action
[00:14:27.940]role-play taking place in Finland
[00:14:30.150]and on the right we see our students in
[00:14:31.950]oh hay- haymarket
[00:14:33.590]creating a- a character that's in the middle of a role-play
[00:14:38.020]with another character in my classroom.
[00:14:41.170]So after the role play
[00:14:42.230]the students reflected on the entire process
[00:14:44.240]and they began tweaking characters and ideas
[00:14:46.480]and this process allowed
[00:14:47.550]for an entirely new way to push their writing
[00:14:50.240]and to get feedback from one another
[00:14:51.810]about what was working and what wasn't working.
[00:14:55.080]And finally students brought this work into the cinema space
[00:14:59.140]by creating short scenes through screenwriting
[00:15:01.250]that all spring out of the use of Mozilla hubs.
[00:15:04.630]This process took us from the fall semester
[00:15:07.030]into the spring semester where we picked up
[00:15:09.340]on the hubs work.
[00:15:10.960]We'd love to know if you have any question, ideas
[00:15:12.650]or feedback for us,
[00:15:13.670]and thank you for joining us
[00:15:15.150]for this presentation this morning.
[00:15:19.360]So there is one question so far,
[00:15:21.900]the Todd asked
[00:15:23.910]about second life as say an alternative or another medium.
[00:15:25.441]about second life as say an alternative or another medium.
[00:15:29.840]Did we look at second life as a virtual environment
[00:15:33.143]And would we have used this medium pre pandemic?
[00:15:35.120]So I'll just jump in and say
[00:15:37.580]to me, hubs is, has a leg up over second life
[00:15:40.280]because it's hubs is so lightweight.
[00:15:43.070]You simply, you can share a hubs link
[00:15:46.250]like you would a zoom link
[00:15:47.850]in the sense that you can share the link, drop it in
[00:15:51.160]to your URL, and you're there.
[00:15:52.619]to your URL, and you're there.
[00:15:54.170]You don't have to download second life.
[00:15:55.590]You don't have to download anything.
[00:15:56.740]And so it's very easy to access.
[00:15:58.040]But it's also
[00:15:59.260]it has fewer features.
[00:16:00.710]And as to whether we would use this,
[00:16:03.040]haven't used this before the pandemic,
[00:16:04.860]I have known about hubs for
[00:16:07.349]for going about a year prior to the pandemic.
[00:16:08.182]for going about a year prior to the pandemic.
[00:16:10.610]And to me,
[00:16:12.640]I hadn't found a great use case, honestly.
[00:16:14.760]And I think the pandemic really kicked for me hubs into gear
[00:16:18.670]as a great platform for remote interaction
[00:16:21.040]when we had so little physical interaction, all of a sudden.
[00:16:26.290]And I'll just add to that
[00:16:27.260]because I have spent a lot of time
[00:16:30.482]a long time ago in second life.
[00:16:31.950]And I would say that the, the, the ease of use, I mean
[00:16:35.540]it's a basic WASD keyboard, very different second life.
[00:16:39.800]I mean, it, it, it takes the learning curve
[00:16:42.410]to even figure out how to move around is, is a lot so.
[00:16:46.090]I think it's, you know, I think we did have to
[00:16:48.550]we thought about one of the things we had to do
[00:16:51.080]for the open studios was think about best practices
[00:16:53.550]for audiences who might have never played games before
[00:16:57.380]and thinking about how to onboard them quickly.
[00:16:59.870]So parents of students, et cetera, you know,
[00:17:02.330]how can they use the WASD?
[00:17:04.700]And those for more advanced users can actually put
[00:17:06.780]on a headset and be in VR.
[00:17:08.340]We have people dancing in VR
[00:17:09.730]on the floor and stuff like that so.
[00:17:16.590]Just, just a side point, we actually like
[00:17:20.240]for the open studios wound up having a greeter
[00:17:22.410]and a chaperone as well,
[00:17:23.337]and a chaperone as well,
[00:17:25.650]that would create
[00:17:26.483]that would create
[00:17:27.410]that onboarding experience and give a guided tour.
[00:17:31.070]So that was quite interesting also.
[00:17:33.960]Yeah. Like a concierge. Exactly.
[00:17:35.710]So that people, when they show up are kind of like
[00:17:38.080]I don't know what to do here.
[00:17:40.980]that I thought that was really great solution, too.
[00:17:53.530]Beth's asking if we assign the students
[00:17:55.900]their rooms from your hub.
[00:17:56.733]their rooms from your hub. So, so this is kind of cool.
[00:17:59.338]So, so this is kind of cool.
[00:18:01.670]I, don't not sure if it showed up, but when, you know
[00:18:04.700]when we did the open spheres project
[00:18:08.068]in, in the material world,
[00:18:13.110]students chose rooms that supported their work
[00:18:17.360]meaning they had some sites specificity
[00:18:20.380]or a student chose the atrium and projected on the ceiling.
[00:18:24.160]So then in a similar way
[00:18:28.150]students would select their rooms or spaces.
[00:18:31.480]But what was different about hubs
[00:18:34.160]is that you can select a corner of a room and then
[00:18:38.050]that's a portal that transports you into another world
[00:18:41.770]which can be a totally different environment.
[00:18:43.400]And the example that Ben was showing,
[00:18:46.770]Ben, one of our students had created a,
[00:18:50.020]his location was on the moon.
[00:18:51.730]So it had an entry point and then that would transport
[00:18:56.220]or teleport everyone to this alternate environment.
[00:18:59.850]So in a way it was, you know
[00:19:02.550]the center plus
[00:19:14.894]So I did just drop into the chat
[00:19:17.900]the actual room for the Carson Center so.
[00:19:20.310]It's still live.
[00:19:21.210]And that's one thing that I didn't mention is
[00:19:22.930]that these Mozilla hubs rooms.
[00:19:24.380]When you build them, they are perpetual
[00:19:26.460]or as long as Mozilla hubs exists
[00:19:29.650]and or Amazon web services exists, which hosts the room.
[00:19:34.270]So check out the Carson center room, it's the room
[00:19:37.270]from the event, which was now just over a year ago.
[00:19:40.400]And you can still access all of the student rooms
[00:19:43.410]from the main Carson Center room from the event.
[00:19:46.830]So it's going to be pretty quiet
[00:19:49.540]but the room is still open.
[00:19:51.270]So you can go check it out for yourself.
[00:19:54.000]I also just put in the linked to the Haymarket as well.
[00:19:58.210]So you can, you can, and this is actually
[00:20:01.810]since I got that link, you can probably see here
[00:20:04.900]your choices here is to join a room
[00:20:06.700]and turn on a device or just spectate.
[00:20:10.083]Some people are joining right now.
[00:20:13.736]And so this is you're entering in the
[00:20:14.980]kind of underground market side,
[00:20:16.670]but you can imagine that
[00:20:17.730]it's not populated with the avatars or people.
[00:20:19.780]So it is, it is a ghost town but
[00:20:22.100]you can imagine what it was like when
[00:20:23.800]when people were where we were in here
[00:20:26.610]testing our characters and writing.
[00:20:31.500]And this past season
[00:20:32.600]for the Ian Thompson forum
[00:20:35.110]design Morgan from the Carson Center.
[00:20:37.760]He and I worked with Ian Thompson forum to
[00:20:41.840]create a hubs sort of virtual rooms
[00:20:44.760]for the Thompson, Ian Thompson forum speakers.
[00:20:47.290]And so you can do a lot with live events as well
[00:20:50.710]as well as asynchronous story world creation.
[00:20:52.531]as well as asynchronous story world creation.
[00:20:54.880]So once an event is created or once you have a room built
[00:20:58.300]it will live on unless you delete it.
[00:21:00.190]So it can have a sort of perpetual experience as well
[00:21:03.800]in addition to being a live experience.
[00:21:09.320]A quick question, did you actually meet,
[00:21:12.080]meet like in class inside the world using audio
[00:21:15.900]and video conferencing and that kind of thing as well?
[00:21:21.803]And, and one thing we forgot to mention
[00:21:24.040]in the presentation is that
[00:21:26.290]Ash and I had been trying to figure out
[00:21:28.500]how to tie together two classes and this
[00:21:31.790]allowed for this really interesting synergy and overlap
[00:21:35.190]both being able to meet together and also cross-pollinate
[00:21:41.270]sort of the directionality
[00:21:42.770]of each course.
[00:21:45.050]There's a question from Lissa.
[00:21:47.490]Does hubs work with a screen reader
[00:21:50.120]or other assistive technology?
[00:21:53.280]Ben, do you know?
[00:21:57.850]I know very little,
[00:21:58.900]I literally just did a Google search
[00:22:00.920]to find an answer to the question and
[00:22:02.980]the answer is yes it does.
[00:22:05.180]I can't really tell you much about how it works,
[00:22:07.410]but if you do a,
[00:22:09.540]if you do a Google search for Mozilla hubs
[00:22:11.740]and screen reader,
[00:22:13.060]you will see some articles
[00:22:15.760]about how to
[00:22:16.593]about how to
[00:22:18.671]That's where I would direct you.
[00:22:21.093]Can I also just to throw us out, Melissa.
[00:22:23.760]We, we, we got on the radar
[00:22:25.239]We, we, we got on the radar
[00:22:26.473]of hubs for this project as a use case.
[00:22:28.098]of hubs for this project as a use case.
[00:22:30.190]They considered it one of their favorite use cases.
[00:22:33.400]And they came to the open studios and we are at
[00:22:36.950]we actually did a tour with just hubs,
[00:22:39.180]but I think the developing
[00:22:40.880]developer team is quite open there.
[00:22:42.690]And you could contact them for any, any ideas.
[00:22:47.160]They'd probably be receptive of that.
[00:22:49.660]Yeah. Apparently we were pushing their bandwidth
[00:22:52.210]to new extremes.
[00:22:55.917]On their, on the Mozilla hubs discord
[00:22:58.100]I have seen people discussing,
[00:23:02.110]But I haven't looked into it in depth
[00:23:03.677]but people are doing work
[00:23:05.680]with assistive technologies and hubs.
[00:23:13.398]I'd like to thank Ben and Ash and Jesse
[00:23:15.930]for tasting presentation.
[00:23:18.190]Thank you for doing this and sharing your stories.
[00:23:22.840]You know, this is pretty amazing stuff that we can do this.
[00:23:25.800]And I think it likely meets the students
[00:23:27.930]where they're coming in, right.
[00:23:29.080]And then intriguing, and their ability to kind of engage.
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