Deb Schwartzkopf - Hixson-Lied Visiting Artist
Hixson-Lied Visiting Artist
Throughout my upbringing, the kitchen was a stage for experimentation, and
the table, a place for generously gathering people together. Working with
clay and sharing handmade pottery at mealtimes is a catalyst for conversation
I am grateful to say, my path was guided by amazing mentors. I grew my
intention, technical skills, and defined my artistic voice through academic
training. Working for potters inspired me to be an autonomous business owner,
to creatively and efficiently set and solve goals, and to be indispensable to
my community. My adventurous spirit took me across six states, and a handful
of countries, in ten years. I forged an extensive and supportive network
learning, teaching, and creating throughout these experiences.
This strong foundation has allowed me to reach and even eclipse my initial
goals of finishing an MFA, participating in prestigious artist residencies
nationally and internationally, teaching across the county, and even setting
up my own thriving pottery studio.
In 2009, I returned to my hometown of Seattle, WA. In 2013 I purchased a home
and established Rat City Studios. Having a spacious, well maintained studio
has allowed me to grow my artwork and community impact in substantial ways. I
now have the space to make what I desire, share with others, and build
community collaborations. I offer adult classes and workshops, and mentor
emerging artists who compete for long-term studio assistant positions. My
efforts have been embraced by my local community. Ceramics Monthly awarded me
Ceramic Artist of the Year in 2019.
I was born and raised in Seattle, Washington and earned a Bachelor of Arts at
the University of Alaska in 2002. I worked for studio potters in the
Anchorage area, which gave her a strong foundation to spring from. Following
that, I focused on glazes for a year of independent study at San Diego State
University; after which I completed a Masters of Fine Arts at Penn State in
2005. Since then I have taught at institutions such as: Ohio University,
Massachusetts College of Art and Design, University of Washington, and
University of Georgia’s study abroad program in Cortona, Italy. I have also
worked nationally and internationally at places such as the Archie Bray
Foundation (MT), Mudflat Studios (MA), The Clay Studio (PA), Pottery
Northwest (WA), Watershed (ME), Sanbao in Jingdezhen, China, and the
Residency for Ceramics-Berlin, Germany. Since 2002, I have taught over eighty
in-person workshops, 30 online workshops, and exhibited work locally and
abroad. In 2009 I moved back to Seattle and bought a house/studio in 2013.
Rat City Studios has grown and thrived.
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[00:00:01.000]Peter Pinnell: Deb Schwarzkopf was born and raised in Seattle, Washington
and earned her undergraduate degree at the University of Alaska in 2002
and her MFA from Penn State in 2005.
[00:00:15.320]Peter Pinnell: had to let let a whole row of people in in 2009 she returned
to her hometown of Seattle, where she established rhapsody studios to
produce our own artwork and where she provides a studio assistant
program for emerging artist she configured reconfigured rts and.
[00:00:34.280]Peter Pinnell: To include a Community space, complete with 11 potter's
wheel arrange of equipment and three semi private studios for assistance.
[00:00:42.840]Peter Pinnell: With her at city studios devon's created a thriving ceramics
Community where she offers studio X does memberships online clay,
workshops and adult professional development opportunities.
[00:00:55.240]Peter Pinnell: In addition to her studio work F is taught at Ohio university
the master teachers college of Art and Design the University of Washington.
[00:01:04.240]Peter Pinnell: And the University of Georgia study abroad program and
crotona Italy, she has worked at the archie Bray foundation and Helena
Montana mud flats studios in Boston the clay studio and Philadelphia.
[00:01:16.800]Peter Pinnell: pottery Northwest and Seattle watershed in maine San bao
and jinked agenda, China and the centrum for quranic in Berlin.
[00:01:26.000]Peter Pinnell: Since 2002 she has taught over at in person workshops 30
online workshops and exhibited in the US and abroad last year DEM
published her first book creative pottery and i'm hoping, there will be
others i'm honored to introduce deb Schwarzkopf as our Hickson lead
[00:01:46.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: and
[00:01:48.680]Peter Pinnell: turn it over to you and and everyone else you can meet your
mute yourselves and your images, for now, please.
[00:01:59.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Thanks everyone for joining me and my lips and
kind of lineup, but I can always edit the recording and send it to you, and
they will line up at once, I edited it.
[00:02:11.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But that's just the pleasure of digital
communication when you're using cameras and speakers and all kinds of
[00:02:20.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm really grateful that you invited me I really
respect the Faculty at your program and the history of the program and
i've even visited and was blown away by the facility as well and.
[00:02:36.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Anyway, it just makes me feel good to give back in
get to know all of you a little bit, I have a presentation to show you with a
bunch of information on how and why and what i'm doing now, and
[00:02:55.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: You don't answer some questions and i'll try to
leave room for questions at the end and also yeah that'll be good.
[00:03:07.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So i'm just going to press this button OK, so my
work here in Seattle, is at my home, and I have quite a few images in my
studio and it's functional and currently and for quite a while i've been firing
Cone six electric and using a porcelain.
[00:03:30.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So let's see here, here we go.
[00:03:33.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay, so here's an example of some of my work
when I first moved to Seattle, I had traveled around for quite a while and.
[00:03:42.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: When I got here I started working on sets as a way
to think about having a sense of place, I found I found myself feeling really
strange after moving around for so long and then moving back home.
[00:03:55.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And it was a very conscious decision, but it was still
strange to find my place here, and this is one of the tea sets that has
emerged out of those thoughts.
[00:04:08.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So here's a picture of my hometown I love it I live
way in the background to the right like across the water is called West
[00:04:19.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And Seattle, is a thriving city, even in the midst of
the pandemic, although maybe people wouldn't say it's thriving but we're
[00:04:29.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I grew up going to Pike place market and just
loving all the patterns and colors and vibrancy in a lightness that I saw
there and I also grew up in a sort of suburb of Seattle with a big backyard.
[00:04:48.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: With parents who spent a lot of time with me
gardening my dad had a wood shop and he especially made me quite
attentive to natural processes around me just things growing raindrops and
spider webs the tide coming in and out.
[00:05:06.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And my mother brought a lot of attention to
making things as well, she is a first generation of two parents of first
[00:05:18.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: born of to immigrants who came here from
Romania and that's my grandfather there in the bottom right picture or
bottom left picture, he had a shoe repair shop and.
[00:05:30.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: my sister and I and two cousins grew up
hammering nails into the culture and cutting small pieces of leather into
even smaller pieces of leather and.
[00:05:40.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: There was just a lot of patients shown us when it
came to making things and we were really encouraged through sewing and
crocheting and spending time doing puzzles.
[00:05:53.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And one of the real legacies of my mother's family
is a love of food and maybe being a little on the graph side and showing
affection through making things for people, especially meals.
[00:06:05.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so it really was not too much of an extension
to add handmade pottery to those ideas and now I find myself to be a
potter and I really love it.
[00:06:19.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: My journey was full of unexpected turns and I
traveled for quite a few years I started in Seattle, my first move away from
[00:06:31.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: after just one year of college I just got this bug that
I needed to grow up away from all the people who had normally told me
how to be, and so I moved to Alaska I got my undergraduate degree there,
then I moved to San Diego for a special student.
[00:06:49.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: One year experience and then I moved to penn
state for two years of Grad school.
[00:06:57.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Directly moved to the rgb foundation in Montana,
for two years and then I moved to Ohio to teach for a year and then I
moved to Boston to teach for a year and be a resident was flat.
[00:07:11.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And then, finally, I decided to move home and
during this really kind of tumultuous 10 years I got a lot of experience from
many different makers many different educators made lots of friends and
learned lots of things, the hard way, I would say.
[00:07:31.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And kind of backing up, I just wanted to show you
two of my pottery mentors who really got me going in the very beginning,
this is Chris bliss I worked for her.
[00:07:42.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: In anchorage Alaska she said, local potter and I also
worked for Peter bronze and both of these people showed me a path
toward being a potter that would have been.
[00:07:56.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: pretty hard for me to see in my academic
experience and at the same time, I really wouldn't have pushed my work
without the academic experience and so together these experiences.
[00:08:09.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Really gave me an incredible springboard to move
[00:08:14.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And Peter, especially is a really lasting relationship
now i've known him for like 20 years or more, and I still call him for advice
and it's incredible.
[00:08:26.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And the floors really are always this clean and one
of the things I loved about working for connors is learning things like
efficiency and stamina and determination and some of the things that are
about living and about sticking with your vocation.
[00:08:49.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And just last summer actually I went on this
incredible kayaking trip with him and my partner Joe in Alaska and it was
just incredible so adventures just keep happening I just had to throw that
picture and because it's just so beautiful.
[00:09:05.400]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay, so back to the journey so in 2013 after all of
those moves I somehow scrimped and saved for part of a down payment.
[00:09:15.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Peter and his then wife loaned me part of my
down payment and my mom helped me with part of my down payment
and I bought this House that's in the top picture that's actually the shed the
House is kind of behind that thing purple tree and then by.
[00:09:34.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: It looks like the picture below so that's the same
building i'm sure you can pretty much tell but needless to say, my life
became very revolved or revolved dramatically around house and shot
[00:09:51.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so here i'm going to just stop this presentation,
so I had this little overhead view so you can kind of get a sense of how it's
situated in the neighborhood.
[00:10:02.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I live just south of Seattle between the airport and
downtown about 10 minutes from each one, but the lots are nicely sized
and it's definitely in a neighborhood.
[00:10:15.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So there's my house from the top, my friend, let me
borrow or actually I didn't borrow it my friend brought his drone over and
took this little video for me.
[00:10:27.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay, so that's.
[00:10:30.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay now back today so that's my studio and then
this is what I used to do, I used to have weekly classes, I don't anymore,
because of coven.
[00:10:42.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I used to have a bunch of people come
through, and you know be visiting artists and participated in all these tours
and open studios and, like all these things were millions of people came
together, you know, like 80 people sometimes two parties here.
[00:10:56.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Obviously that's not happening, it was pretty
jarring going through coven and drawing is an understatement I would say
that almost 100% of my income was cut.
[00:11:08.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I pay my mortgage with that income, so all
these visions of losing my house were coming forward anyway, I changed
and I started teaching online and I started having memberships instead of
classes and those have really got me through this challenging time.
[00:11:30.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so, these are some of the things that I do to
support myself and the ones that are crossed out are the ones that were
[00:11:38.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And the ones that are sort of yellow are the ones
that i'm still doing and I figured you know you can watch the recording of
this and look at these more closely, but they're just some ideas if you're
moving into the.
[00:11:51.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Bringing your art to the market kind of stage that
you could look at some of these, I would say that the things that have
helped me the most through this are years and years of building a mailing
list and social media followings.
[00:12:09.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And this is the inside of my building where I have
Members come and work, and this is a different space than where my
studio is so this is where I used to have classes, now I have five Members
who come and sign in and schedule their time so that we can control how
many people, etc.
[00:12:31.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah i'm this is this space between my shop
building and my home where the accounts are and i've had all electric kilns
for about nine years here.
[00:12:43.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah, and this is a new slab of cement that I just
poured this spring and the very beginning of a soda kiln.
[00:12:52.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I just built that much of it last weekend so it's
slowly in progress it's been really hard getting permits, with all the
closures, but slowly we're doing it, and you can see there's a roof extension
over that it's kind of weird to see it with all the photos collage.
[00:13:10.400]Ann sidles: But the roof extension is the.
[00:13:11.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Top rate.
[00:13:15.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So here are the studio we do lots of projects we
reclaim our clay and waste glaze into paper towels which I have a little
video you could watch later if you want, and they decorate the yard and it's
really fun to not throw things in the dumpster.
[00:13:33.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I also have a second space, this is the story the
ground story of my house, so it has two floors in this is essentially a
[00:13:45.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And also, in this space are at the very back are a
kitchenette and another bathroom and another studio space for my partner
Joe and a bunch of other things.
[00:13:58.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Oh, and there's a picture of my book, in spite of
coronavirus and trying to sell books and it's going Okay, I mean it's not the
best time to release a book.
[00:14:11.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: The other day, and today i've done which I said a
little bit about his online classes, but I wanted you to see what.
[00:14:17.640]Ann sidles: i'm seeing.
[00:14:18.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So there's a picture of it.
[00:14:21.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: What most people see and then this is what I see,
so this is what i'm teaching behind right now and it's really intense and,
believe it or not, I really was terrified of being on video until this year and.
[00:14:36.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Essentially i've taught one workshop every week
for the last whole year and it's been a big learning experience and it's really
helped me grow.
[00:14:46.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay, so know about my work as I said, my work is
porcelain most of it is may not have parts that are we'll throne or slab built
in a fire in electric killing two cones six.
[00:15:00.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: There are some parts of my work like my dessert
dish which i'll make for you tomorrow that is made out of all thrown parts.
[00:15:07.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: and other pieces that are really a combination and
some that are fully hand built and i'm really not tied to one or the other, I
just want to get to the shape that i'm after.
[00:15:19.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I have a lot of different influences, but one of
them that I would say is the longest and strongest is just foliage and plants
that I see around me i'm an avid gardener.
[00:15:33.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And these plants are kind of a lily looking.
[00:15:36.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: flower called a day turret that.
[00:15:40.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: It grows in warmer climates and when I lived in
San Diego I grew these any have this incredible way of spiraling open and it
really made me want to have that movement in my work in one of the first
places I brought it into being was in my juicer remer.
[00:16:00.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Another thing that I try into my work is a sense of
momentum and I get a lot of inspiration from working boats that I see
around me in the puget sound like tug boats or ferry boats.
[00:16:17.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I also love to garden bog plants, and this is a little
plant that grows in lots of countries of the world in different variations, but
it's called a son do, and it has this incredible energy and expressiveness
and my vases our place where I started exploring that.
[00:16:39.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I also want my work to have a sense of
[00:16:43.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: or expected.
[00:16:46.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Like like it's hungry for the job that it wants to do, I
also wanted to be able to stand on its own, but I love the way that these
are reminiscent of baby for.
[00:17:01.760]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Other interests of mine are trying to develop a
sense of implied movement through geometry and having my forms move
from different shapes, for instance, these triangular plates have circle
[00:17:20.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Half circle patterns in the arrangement of them is
very much like a Kaleidoscope.
[00:17:26.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But also bringing that sort of movement into the
forums as they're stacked so that the vinyl plate is a circle, and then the
middle is a triangle, but the foot of the bowl is a triangle and then the
remix is circle and just that shifting movement.
[00:17:45.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm a designer that I was.
[00:17:48.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: made aware of in graduate school, I think, by
Margaret was is eva's I saw and.
[00:17:55.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: She has this awesome book which I love to
recommend for people to read and she talks a lot about a playful search for
beauty and the importance of curiosity and discovery.
[00:18:08.760]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I have grown so much from reading her
writings and as a potter who's earning a living.
[00:18:17.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: With making pots and also teaching but definitely
also making products, it can be a bit of a burden to think about my work in
terms of money and so I need to set up.
[00:18:30.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: projects for myself to explore, for instance, make
30 dessert dishes and have all of them, be a bit of a different shape in order
to keep myself from doing the part that I know so well and to kind of get
into a rut, so this is helpful for me, and also that book helps me do that too.
[00:18:55.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: here's a couple with some food in them i'm so
lucky that I got to write a book and one of the parts that i'm the luckiest for
is the photographer that I got.
[00:19:07.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: To take photographs shared so many photographs
with me that weren't even used in the book, and so I don't know it just
helped me, be able to show my work even now in such a different way.
[00:19:22.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I work a lot with templates, these are all the
templates that are in my book, actually, and I use them to cut out slabs and
then these slabs are laid over Bisque molds and the best modes can be
thrown or coil were built solid, but the end result is usually a hump lot yet
that's very refined.
[00:19:46.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm really interested in the idea of functional fitness
and how we, as people look at something and think that it should have a
certain drop when it really could do a lot of other drugs.
[00:19:58.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And these are examples of that where someone's
using headphones to hold up their muffler or bath tub not bathtub
swimming pools for a fountain or a coffee maker for hot dogs.
[00:20:11.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And when i'm making my molds this is how I try to
think I try to think about shapes that inspire me and then I tried to bring
elements of those into my molds so that then they'll transfer into my work.
[00:20:27.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And these are examples of molding processes that
I grew up around my grandfather, as I said, with a shoe or a pyramid.
[00:20:36.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And there is a last a metal last inside of that shoe
that helps hold the contour while it's being resold.
[00:20:43.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm sure you've all seen a bump cake so that's not
too new and then my grandmother would always make a sugar Sarah.
[00:20:51.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And base her doilies in it and then shape them
over to bull and it certainly dried and then they would hold that shape and
she would do it all over or excuse me over all kinds of different containers.
[00:21:08.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So this is just a short DEMO For those of you who
maybe can't come tomorrow and also just so if you are coming it could
maybe spur some extra questions.
[00:21:19.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But i'm going to show you how I make this form
the picture and then this is also one of my inspirations for the form, I love
the pelican the way that it seems to have two sections and how it's kind of
awkward but also graceful.
[00:21:38.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So this is a mold that I have a slab wrapped around
and I cut out of the slab to help it snug up against this mold.
[00:21:50.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And there's more than one piece, and after i'm
done the mold will be fully covered.
[00:21:57.400]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And then I will cut it off, which this is not
necessarily the most efficient way of making a picture, but I think it's one of
the more efficient ways I could get the shape that I want.
[00:22:11.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Then I left out the MOD and slipping score all those
seams back together.
[00:22:18.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: The top section is thrown and I pull out a dirt from
the front and the back.
[00:22:24.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And then, this top section is added on to the
bottom section to form one volume.
[00:22:34.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I have a slab built spout.
[00:22:40.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I pull a pretty thin handle cut it change the
direction attached the two parts, and then I add a slab to let that handle
have this same visual weight and quality, as the body of the picture.
[00:23:00.400]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I also add some little coils across this scene
with this spout both to make it stronger and also to help that soft tapered
rim extend up into this out.
[00:23:17.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And then that's what it looks like.
[00:23:22.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I love trying to make sense of things it's really hard
for me and I love the inner relation of the different forms and how, when
i'm trying to do this, I really learn.
[00:23:36.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: elements that connects them whether it's the
surface or the rim or a volume.
[00:23:43.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So now, I want to talk a little bit about surface I
started working with wood firing and salt firing early on, when I learned
how to make pots and I loved it I loved the Community aspect of it and I
[00:23:58.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: surprise of it and how it was different on one side
than the other, and I did that, for a really long time I fired content.
[00:24:07.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: oxidation salt for years and years and years and I
ended up moving to Cone six or content oxidation and then con six
oxidation over time and partially That was because.
[00:24:23.200]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I had a kiln at the archie break foundation that
would constantly reduce if I put in the damper to get it even.
[00:24:33.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so the bottom was always required in an
electric can and then one time there was this part that needed to be.
[00:24:40.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: glazed that got chipped or something to I put some
glaze on it and sprayed some soda ash on it through it and the electric
killing and it looked great and so ever since then i've been firing and an
electric killing and just spring glazes or soda ash on my pots.
[00:24:57.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: My work i'm most of the glasses look kind of
boring when they're just by themselves, but when they're spraying and
layered they really come alive.
[00:25:07.400]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So this one has kind of a smoky black glaze
sprayed over a red glaze and the red great place would really just look kind
of color crane red if it didn't have that sprayed layer
[00:25:22.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Another thing I do to enliven my surfaces is an ad
under clean patterning so the purple kind of speculate dots that are in the.
[00:25:34.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: V shape moving downward on this large base are
all underplays that's underneath the glaze but they show through and
these i'm trying to bring a quality of the body to to soften the forms, much
like freckles or the speckles that you see on these trout.
[00:25:59.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And these are a few images just have you know
green were to glaze were and just how transformative this surfaces and I
love that quality of the glaze and how I can create an interior world and an
exterior world just with color.
[00:26:21.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Another before and after, and this is a newer base
this is fully slap though and has a lot of underplays dot.
[00:26:33.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And there's just a few more newer works and
there's one of my cats with a mustache.
[00:26:48.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So i'm just going to share a few images of my
assistants work and i'm sharing them partially because i'm so proud of
them, and also because I spend a lot of time working on the project that I
think of is my studio assistant.
[00:27:05.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Offering and one of the reasons I do, it is because I
see such a huge gap between.
[00:27:11.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: The idea of being an artist and making a living, and
this is a picture that I took a finale, which is the largest mountain.
[00:27:19.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: In North America and it's in Alaska and that
pathway between those brown mountains, is a glacier.
[00:27:27.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And it's cutting through the mountains, he on after
he on and it's sort of how I feel about being an artist for a living that
somebody might have done it before you but you're always going to have
to carve your own path.
[00:27:43.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so, these are a few of the groups that i've
worked with over the years now, I usually have three assistants, but it
varies, especially when there's coronavirus.
[00:27:56.200]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And they come for a year to two years to three
years in one of them is now seeing a fourth year, this is on a crash will be
staying and forth here and now she's more of a studio manager and she's
really my right hand person.
[00:28:12.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And this is some of her work she does a lot of
figurative painting and does a lot of hand building and starting to do more,
throwing and altering.
[00:28:23.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And some of the things we talked about our this
pie chart we talked about self promotion lining up clients wondering where
all your friends went because you have a poor work.
[00:28:34.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: life balance, trying to keep up with the ever
changing world how much actual creative productive time we have an
anxiety worry and doubt and.
[00:28:44.760]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I have to say that, especially this year, and there
was a lot of anxiety worry and doubt but being in a team really helped us
make it through.
[00:28:53.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I just started giving an alumni grant two years
ago for people who've worked with me so they can apply with a project,
and these are the people that got it this year.
[00:29:05.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And that's a really fun way for me to stay in touch
with them and feel like i'm still trying to help people get a leg up and
especially people that have helped me so much because they never could
do everything i'm doing without their help.
[00:29:21.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And the other person who's in my life that's a huge
part of why I can do, what I do is my partner Joe who's also a ceramic
sculpture, and he also worked full time so he's working really hard
alongside me, and that was a floor that we made together, and this is some
of his sculpture.
[00:29:44.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And they're anywhere from 10 inches tall to 20 or
more inches tall.
[00:29:52.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: and other things that really inspire me and then i'm
working really hard now in my life, to have a little bit more of a work life
[00:30:01.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: taking care of these I love be tending and.
[00:30:05.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I love opening up the hive and seeing the
honeycomb and how the lawyers are doing and I don't know if you can see
the queen bee in this photo but it's kind of in the middle, but a little to the
left, she has a little bigger abdomen.
[00:30:19.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And it's just incredible that they've been can build
this matrix in complete darkness and know what to put in it and know
where to way and know what their job is i'm just like if our whole world
could be like them, we would be so much better off.
[00:30:36.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And one of the things i'm trying to do more in my
life is to bridge different communities, so, for instance someday when we
can get together again I really want to have a honey jar show.
[00:30:50.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: and invite all my beekeeper friends to do a honey
tasting and try to get these different communities to know each other,
because they're both so great.
[00:30:59.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I also have chickens and a pizza oven and i've
often for many years, participated in urban farm tour where people come
around and ask questions about plants and chickens and bees and it's such
a great crossover there are so many people that love food I love pottery.
[00:31:19.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Other things that i'm working on that are more of a
crossover are trying to create relationships with restaurants and I was
lucky enough to get to make.
[00:31:29.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: About 100 or so plates for a restaurant in
downtown Seattle and got to have photos like this taken on them and now
i've developed a table where CSA where people can order a plate, a
month, although i'm really behind.
[00:31:46.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: or they can order to play every two months or one
plate every six months, whatever they really want to do and build up a set.
[00:31:54.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So that's been fun and I really have gotten faster at
making plates, and that was a good accomplishment and still just
developing different forums for the table.
[00:32:10.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I just have a few more slides so start thinking
of those questions.
[00:32:17.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So butter dish.
[00:32:23.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: there's another farm that sort of working with that
[00:32:30.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: That is my last slide.
[00:32:34.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Oh any questions.
[00:32:39.000]Peter Pinnell: Thank you dad that was terrific I appreciate it well i'm going
to throw one out there and then anyone else, please just raise your hand
in the participants list and i'll call you.
[00:32:51.040]Peter Pinnell: So I already have someone signed up to ask a question i've
been asked the first one, how did your book come about and how long did
it take you to put it together.
[00:33:00.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: um my book came about um because I know Ben
Carter and sunshine and I was like oh my gosh it looks like they're making
a series, I want to do that.
[00:33:12.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So I wrote Ben and I said, could you put me in
touch with your publisher is that overstepping etc, and he said, of course,
not here's the number, I put together a whole proposal and send it to the
publisher and they're like this is not what we want.
[00:33:29.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I always like to start and and then six months
later he called me up and was like you and write a book right now.
[00:33:38.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so I said yeah I mean it's actually not very
good timing for me and he was like well it'll never be good timing, you
should just do it, and so I just cancelled a bunch of things that I was gonna
do and wrote a book and then um I think I had about.
[00:33:59.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I got my contract in December and then my book was.
[00:34:06.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: finished being written by August and then it was in
print the following June.
[00:34:15.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So it was really fast for me i'm lucky I had done a
bunch of articles, you know for pottery making illustrated because I had a
lot of content in my pocket.
[00:34:27.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah it was very, very full summer of like the photo
shoots took forever and my photographer was amazing but she was super
picky I mean I think she must have taken 10,000 pictures.
[00:34:41.920]Peter Pinnell: well.
[00:34:42.840]Peter Pinnell: Anyway, I want to ask a functional question follow up on that
is it better for you, if you sell the books, directly or if someone if someone
wants a copy of your book if they buy it from a particular vendor.
[00:34:56.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: um it's better, for I make more money if you buy it
from me, I mean that's the way every like every artist of like it, whether it's
a pot or anything it works like that um However, you know.
[00:35:11.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: it's also really good to buy it from a small
bookstore I think you know, like we need those in our world to.
[00:35:19.880]Peter Pinnell: Okay terrific Taylor Europe extra to unmute yourself, please.
[00:35:26.000]Taylor Sijan: hi dad.
[00:35:27.000]Taylor Sijan: hi um I was wondering since you've been an assistant to so
many people and you've also been to so many academic institutions, how
did you decide to open your own studio instead of going into academia.
[00:35:43.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: um well, I never really wanted to go into academia,
because I never wanted to be forced to live somewhere I didn't want to
live and maybe that's just super self serving but.
[00:35:54.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I mean, I still ended up living places that wouldn't
maybe be at the top of my list, but I wanted my goal was to be able to
make pods and trade with my neighbors That was my biggest goal in life
was to set up a studio and.
[00:36:10.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm so lucky that that happened a lot faster than I
thought it one, I mean the people that I knew that I looked up to you know.
[00:36:20.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: worked out of a chicken coop for 20 years and then
finally bought a house and you know the whole leg up fill with no shoes in
the snow kind of thinking and.
[00:36:30.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm really lucky that things came together for me to
be able to buy a house, even in a city which is really hard it's one of the
hardest things i've ever done is saved for a down payment.
[00:36:42.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But also, I got so tired of schlepping my stuff
around I mean i'm really good at moving i've moved so many times, even
before I move my house and I just wanted a place to be and to dig in and
be at my home and garden, and all that kind of stuff.
[00:37:03.640]Taylor Sijan: yeah Thank you, thank you.
[00:37:06.960]Peter Pinnell: Max would you unmute yourself, please.
[00:37:09.440]Max Henderson: hi def.
[00:37:10.440]Max Henderson: alley at the beginning of the pandemic, you spoke to I was
at penn state at the time, and you actually spoke to our costs.
[00:37:17.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Chris dailies plan I recognize you.
[00:37:19.760]Max Henderson: yeah it's good to see you again.
[00:37:23.160]Max Henderson: yeah so i'm just really impressed with like how, after a
year and seeing your camera setup just how well you've adapted to
everything that's been thrown at us in the past, like 365 days and i'm
curious on how what other ways you've been able to adapt to the
[00:37:40.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah you know, initially, I have to say I was beyond
terrifying my dad lost his house because of business stuff and I knew
[00:37:51.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: shitty that was and I just had all those images
going through my head, and so it was hard for me to calm myself down.
[00:37:58.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But after I finally did which it really helped that I
had such a great reception to my online classes like that was amazing.
[00:38:07.760]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But after that you know all my classes here were
cancelled and I had this sense of morning about it and then after I finally
got over myself, which took about three months.
[00:38:19.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I had this incredible sense of relief, because my
house was quiet, I mean I love people, but having.
[00:38:28.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: 20 or 30 people come to your House every week
for classes and all of them have a question or challenge or a wonderful
personality that they want to share.
[00:38:37.760]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I realized how i'm actually a little more
introverted and I give myself space for in so i'm redesigning my studio to
serve my creativity, a little bit more.
[00:38:51.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And before that everything I was doing was I was
adopting it in order to just like hang on and it wasn't always a choice that I
[00:39:04.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I love having classes, but I chose to have classes,
because I couldn't pay my mortgage I needed more money, like I couldn't
make it in Seattle just on pots.
[00:39:14.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And now that i'm teaching online I can earn money
that way and I have more time to make pots if i'm not also teaching classes
so having a membership is one way that I adapted and there's lots of little
things around that too.
[00:39:31.040]Max Henderson: yeah well, I appreciate that i'm glad to see that the bees
are doing well.
[00:39:37.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah more bees.
[00:39:41.760]Peter Pinnell: Can you Taylor, are you raising your hand again okay go ahead.
[00:39:46.680]Taylor Sijan: yeah sorry.
[00:39:48.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: it's great.
[00:39:49.160]Taylor Sijan: Many questions that I know i'll have to ask some of them
tomorrow um but I was wondering Have you taken business classes like
how did you figure out all of these different ways of diversifying your
income and being of business.
[00:40:06.400]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah I have never taken a business class I, I think
that my family, especially my mom's family is just intensely pragmatic.
[00:40:17.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: You know, having immigrated and never having
what they needed and always having to figure out how to make do with
whatever was around them.
[00:40:25.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: um I am lucky, though, that my mom you know
kind of when I was in high school started working at Boeing and in HR
propel in an HR capacity and she really succeeded and thrived in that
ended up being a specialist in it and.
[00:40:45.200]Deborah Schwartzkopf: She is a person that I can ask any question like how
do I do a good interview not only just how do I give a good interview, but
how do I when i'm interviewing assistance, how do I ask good questions
and how do I be equitable about it.
[00:41:01.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So she's helped me a ton with that part of my
business, but a bunch of it's just been hard knocks train it didn't work,
training, it didn't work or.
[00:41:14.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: You know more in the last 10 years asking friends
like sunshine cobb who's also a partner, making a living or learning
meeting was also a proud or making a living like.
[00:41:25.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: commiserating and you know sharing stories we're
lucky we have a community that will just say it like it is, if you ask usually.
[00:41:38.520]Peter Pinnell: terrific Thank you amethyst you have a question.
[00:41:43.760]Amythest Warrington: Yes, i'm curious about the name of your studio is
there a story behind it, you come up with it.
[00:41:51.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah rat city studios on the area that I live in is
nicknamed rat city and the ra te is an acronym and it was a recruit army
training Center and was also a restricted alcohol territory.
[00:42:08.160]Deborah Schwartzkopf: In World War Two so I just took on that name this
area is unincorporated and has a little bit more of a.
[00:42:17.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Like we can do it ourselves, identity and there's a
lot of people here who have big sheds and do things in them that maybe
you wouldn't do in a city like fix cars or I don't even know like people kind
of keep to themselves, but are also really supportive.
[00:42:39.840]Peter Pinnell: You think it's a good identity, I mean it's really sad.
[00:42:43.200]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah I was, I actually love it yeah there's just a
[00:42:47.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: People who work real hard in this neighborhood
it's good I I feel like I fit in very well and um.
[00:42:55.760]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah I really love it, it was a little hard for me to
buy a house here because it's only probably five miles away from where I
was born in the House that I bought has the same footprint, exactly as the
one that I was born in.
[00:43:09.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so it just felt a little over aggressive at first, but
it fits well and it's really close to the airport, which used to be important.
[00:43:19.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And it's close to downtown which is hard to get
and, to be honest, when I put in my price point.
[00:43:26.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: and put shop, there were no houses, so I found this
House through word of mouth.
[00:43:33.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And through a friend, that I was doing a project
with, and he had a friend to guide to divorce, we needed to unload the
House and it never even went on the market and we just shook hands and
so sort of like.
[00:43:45.560]Deborah Schwartzkopf: perfect is the only House I looked at, so it was sort
of like do you want a house or do you not want a house.
[00:43:54.880]Peter Pinnell: that's great Taylor go ahead.
[00:43:58.800]Taylor Sijan: Okay um, how do you decide what to have your assistants do
for you and what you have to do yourself.
[00:44:06.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah it's been pretty hard for me to figure that out,
but essentially they do everything that helps me make work and I make all
my own work, I mean the only thing they helped me do with my work
itself is roll out slabs.
[00:44:21.880]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But there's so much to do here, because properties
take maintenance like you wouldn't believe you know and.
[00:44:30.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm kind of enough about projects like I really like
things to be in really high of key whether it's account or a wheel, or
whatever I don't want people ever to be.
[00:44:42.760]Deborah Schwartzkopf: inhibited by the facility and it's such a small studio
that I really want people to come back because turnovers.
[00:44:51.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: really hard to manage and it's just so nice when
everything seems so the assistance do everything from just regular chores
like mopping to helping me work on the website, the newsletter you know
just helping keep the classroom going fixing stuff.
[00:45:13.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: All kinds of random things like that.
[00:45:17.360]Peter Pinnell: Thanks Thank you Max go ahead.
[00:45:21.640]Max Henderson: OK, so my last question is i'm thinking about how
expensive Seattle is, and I can only imagine how challenging, it must be for
an artist to live there.
[00:45:30.680]Max Henderson: And I mean granted I all the things that you've done for
yourself, I understand how you're able to support yourself but i'm curious
about like someone such as your assistant, how do they manage to live in
a place like Seattle.
[00:45:44.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah I think that it's hard and it's getting harder
and I hate to say it, but it's true, I mean my house has almost doubled in
value in the last nine years it's insanity.
[00:45:57.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And, most of the assistants have a day job i'm
some of them save up and then live off of that while they're working that
assistance only work for me.
[00:46:10.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Like at the most 10 hours a week, so we work all
day together Tuesday and then one of them helps me each Thursday also.
[00:46:19.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: um and so there's still lots of space for them to be
able to do have a day job, some of them get a room rather than getting an
apartment which is cheaper.
[00:46:30.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But I would say that it is a challenge, and like one
of my assistants lives with her family, one of them is married and so they
share the cost of living and then one of them has a room in a home.
[00:46:43.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so that's a little less to, but I would say that in
any city, the cost of living is the hardest part of being a person in the city
like whether you're a restaurant worker or a nurse or an artist like
everybody's having a hard time.
[00:47:01.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah.
[00:47:02.400]Max Henderson: yeah it really goes to show how passionate you have to be
about what you're doing to be willing to go through all that.
[00:47:10.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And yeah I mean we work to try to get
opportunities for them, but.
[00:47:15.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: A lot of it depends on where they're at with their
work like some people have come in and they're really developing their
work and they're not at a place where I can refer them to a gallery.
[00:47:26.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: If somebody is in that place I work really hard to do
that, or you know, like other things that can help them get the ball rolling,
but it's really individual yeah.
[00:47:37.320]Max Henderson: I really appreciate you uplifting others as you uplifted
yourself, thank you for that.
[00:47:44.280]Peter Pinnell: Thanks man who else we have 50 people here someone
must have a question so when I was psyched to raise their hand.
[00:47:55.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah.
[00:47:55.840]Dehmie Dehmlow: debbie hi debbie.
[00:48:00.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: emailing with you thanks for all your help.
[00:48:03.040]Dehmie Dehmlow: yeah Of course you too we're really excited to have you
thanks for the wonderful talk it's so cool to learn more about your studio
and how you made it all happen um I don't know you might have said this
and I missed it, but I was actually just wondering i'm always kind of
[00:48:24.960]Dehmie Dehmlow: Like when like you have a partner who's also a ceramic
artists, does he have studio space at in this on the same property or do
you guys like collaborate ever or.
[00:48:40.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah I, I have to say that I have some experience
dating ceramic artist data in more than one and it's always tricky.
[00:48:50.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: To those amazing he actually does have a full time
job working for another artist who's an installation artist working primarily
[00:48:59.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So i'm not trying to share a studio in the same way,
you know with like a Co owner sort of thing so Joe essentially rent studio
space for me, we have a contract it's very clear cut.
[00:49:15.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: My mom always said contracts or to keep friends
[00:49:19.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I really believe that and that's her HR
background coming out but there's been way, more than one time where
it's been helpful whether it's an assistant or a partner or even with myself
like writing down what my goals are helps but.
[00:49:33.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah Joe has his studio actually directly behind this
wall, so I would say he's very easy to be around and work with I mean
that's sort of important for your partner to be your partner but.
[00:49:46.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: But also the challenge has been with online
teaching, because our House is like tissue paper in the bathroom is ready
to book me.
[00:49:57.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: So, like people walking up and down this hall or
slamming the dryer door closed, like all of that cannot happen when i'm
doing something like this, or there's a lot of giggling.
[00:50:09.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: You know, depending on what the noises are so
that's probably the biggest challenge, but I think you know sharing a place
with somebody can be amazing you know psych.
[00:50:22.680]Deborah Schwartzkopf: This soda can hopefully he'll use it, because he
makes bigger work, and you know it's like anytime you can get along and
share it's a win.
[00:50:33.560]Dehmie Dehmlow: yeah.
[00:50:36.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Thanks tricky sometimes, though.
[00:50:38.960]Dehmie Dehmlow: yeah.
[00:50:43.400]Dehmie Dehmlow: i'm really excited to for the demos, and everything so.
[00:50:48.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Thanks me to.
[00:50:50.520]Peter Pinnell: Thanks debbie.
[00:50:52.520]Peter Pinnell: amethyst your next.
[00:50:57.840]Amythest Warrington: yeah so in your in your lecture you mentioned trying
to keep things fresh so you don't get bored and I was just curious like How
often do you give yourself these types of assignments to challenge, and
you know really invigorate yourself.
[00:51:13.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: it's really random um I would say that.
[00:51:19.040]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Right now, in this year, like all I can do is finished
DEMO part it's kind of crazy but it's really hard to do manage online
teaching and make for me, at the same time, my cat is yelling can you hear
[00:51:33.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: um you know previous to that i've been lucky
enough to do several short residencies with objective clay, or I would host.
[00:51:44.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: What I call a builder bus and invite about six artists
to come here and work for a weekend.
[00:51:51.640]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I mean i'm acting as the host and making food
and making sure everybody has everything but i'm also really excited to be
around other artists so that's a way that I would do it yearly.
[00:52:03.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And i've also in the past yearly invited friends to
come and work for a week or two like sunshine car came and searched
around and usually they're people that I already really know that I want to
know more, but it's been incredible to.
[00:52:21.920]Deborah Schwartzkopf: feel camaraderie with other artists in those kind of
spaces helped me just stop doing projects and just make work for two
weeks, which that's pretty rare so.
[00:52:35.240]Deborah Schwartzkopf: i'm usually doing a lot of projects, while making
work um I would say, one of the lessons i'm taking away from the
pandemic time is to just.
[00:52:47.400]Deborah Schwartzkopf: just pause a little bit more.
[00:52:51.120]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And I think, eventually, you know when I hit more
of a status which I don't feel like i'm in yet, but when I do that that pies
could be part of that too.
[00:53:06.600]Peter Pinnell: Thank you.
[00:53:08.800]Peter Pinnell: Next allison you can unmute yourself.
[00:53:15.240]Allison Arkush: I.
[00:53:17.720]Allison Arkush: I thank you for coming and i'm really excited to see your
process, how you combine all these different techniques and I, you have
been at so many different studios.
[00:53:29.920]Allison Arkush: at different times and you mentioned some of the artists
that had inspired you so I was kind of just curious if, when you're building
your own studio and just through those experiences, if anything, stood out
like specific places or specific things about them overall.
[00:53:48.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Specific places you mean I don't know.
[00:53:51.120]Allison Arkush: i'd like different I mean just studios that inspired you in how
you built your own studio kind of in the way you were talking about
certain artists like sunshine do.
[00:54:01.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah um I would say that I mean the first studio I
got to work in out of Grad school was at the archie Bray Foundation, which
is probably the nicest studio ever have I mean in floor drain windows that
look at the mountains somebody else maintains it, I mean Primo.
[00:54:23.840]Deborah Schwartzkopf: will never happen again um and actually it's a big
gift but it's not real.
[00:54:30.480]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And one of his studios I worked at which now is in
a totally different building, so I can say this, and not feel bad, but my flat
studios in somerville near Boston used to be in this really tiny space, and it
[00:54:45.720]Deborah Schwartzkopf: A hamster maze between every artist and I did not
have what I needed there and I actually learned more about what I needed
by not having what I needed, then, by having a glorious studio and.
[00:55:00.200]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And so I learned exactly how much space, I could
operate in and how much work I could make, and I mean that taught me a
[00:55:09.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I don't I don't know that at any place like the state
or you know city that it was in really matter too much to me, I mean I
moved back here, because my family is here.
[00:55:23.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I love to garden I love the mountains and I love the
city and it's just all right here seattle's pretty much perfect, in my opinion.
[00:55:32.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Obviously, biased, but I mean not perfect, because
it's expensive so price points are really big consideration when you're
setting up the space, and I would say that it's a huge consideration for most
[00:55:47.000]Deborah Schwartzkopf: um I mean the other thing that I love doing is I
mean I used to teach a lot of workshops in first and, of course, you know,
like 10 or 12 a year, which is a lot, I mean that's like one every single
[00:56:00.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: And every single studio has a really awesome thing
about it, and I would just always take photos and try to do it when I got
[00:56:07.760]Allison Arkush: yeah that's kind of.
[00:56:10.640]Allison Arkush: I guess what I what I figured there's just cool things you
learn it, but all of them.
[00:56:15.600]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah yeah and also every studio has this problem, I
mean it's so weird that there's no studio that doesn't have some weird
thing that you're like, why did they do that and if they're just stuck and i'm
sure I am exactly the same way, like every studio has a weirdness.
[00:56:35.160]Allison Arkush: Well, thank you.
[00:56:39.080]Peter Pinnell: Well debra Thank you very much it's been great talking to
you this evening and we'll see you tomorrow and you're working chops
and again bravo.
[00:56:50.240]Peter Pinnell: Thank you find it really interesting.
[00:56:53.280]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I there any requests for demos, I mean I can't do
everything, because it's a one day DEMO but I mean I don't know.
[00:57:02.160]Peter Pinnell: that's good point I don't know, but we can take a minute
everyone anyone speak up or you could put it in the chat if you'd like to.
[00:57:10.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: yeah I can see the chat.
[00:57:12.520]Margaret Bohls: This is.
[00:57:16.800]Margaret Bohls: It is nice to see you, too, I was hoping, you could make one
of those bowls with the fancy edges.
[00:57:24.800]Deborah Schwartzkopf: whoa okay.
[00:57:26.320]Margaret Bohls: I would love to see you make, especially the lip on one of
[00:57:32.920]Dehmie Dehmlow: Like the desert bull ones Margaret.
[00:57:35.800]Margaret Bohls: know the ones with the with.
[00:57:39.240]Margaret Bohls: yeah.
[00:57:39.920]Dehmie Dehmlow: Oh yeah.
[00:57:42.360]Dehmie Dehmlow: yeah I think sorry i'm jumping in but um.
[00:57:46.600]Dehmie Dehmlow: I think I mean I think all of your a lot of your forms
combine like you know Bisque mold and a throne part or whatever so i'm
interested in that in general.
[00:57:59.880]Dehmie Dehmlow: um but yeah any of the ones that have there's like
negative space there's like cut out like you have like that bait those bases
that have like kind of two parts and then there's like shapes sort of cut out
of the top kind of.
[00:58:18.440]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I need a photo of that one.
[00:58:21.960]Deborah Schwartzkopf: A lot of these shapes.
[00:58:23.480]Dehmie Dehmlow: yeah.
[00:58:24.360]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay, I could work on a vase.
[00:58:28.200]Peter Pinnell: yeah just send her an email.
[00:58:30.600]Dehmie Dehmlow: yeah i'll send you a photo.
[00:58:32.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay sounds good i'm getting a prep tonight it's a
pretty early start for me, so the press all happening right now.
[00:58:40.200]Peter Pinnell: yeah oh that makes sense yeah.
[00:58:43.800]Peter Pinnell: Okay, who else has a request or a comment.
[00:58:47.920]Peter Pinnell: To speak up.
[00:58:52.320]Deborah Schwartzkopf: I was thinking it might make a desert dash unless
there's one other one.
[00:58:58.080]Peter Pinnell: i'd like that.
[00:58:59.400]Deborah Schwartzkopf: Okay cool i'll try to shoot for those three things.
[00:59:05.480]Peter Pinnell: Perfect okay great.
[00:59:10.280]Peter Pinnell: Thank you everyone for attending it's it's great to have a
good crowd like this appreciate.
[00:59:15.080]Deborah Schwartzkopf: That Thank you.
[00:59:17.520]Deborah Schwartzkopf: See you ready.
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