NCLUDE 2.18.21

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Topic: Reducing health disparities for transgender and gender diverse people Nebraska Community of Learners — Understanding Diversity through Education A community of learners dedicated to understanding diversity through education. The series of virtual conversations are intended to help students, faculty, staff, alum and the greater community understand and embrace the opportunities we have to create a greater sense of inclusion for all. #NCLUDE is a space to talk candidly about inclusive excellence being a part of our everyday interactions.

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[00:00:00.550]All right.
[00:00:01.730]So
[00:00:03.900]we hope that everyone is doing well
[00:00:05.860]and working toward recovering from this horrible,
[00:00:07.810]debilitating pandemic
[00:00:09.870]you know which will impact and change our lives forever.
[00:00:12.880]So I want everybody to be safe and stay well.
[00:00:16.160]Welcome to include.
[00:00:18.200]I so great to be back.
[00:00:19.620]Include is Nebraska Community of Learners,
[00:00:23.500]understanding diversity through education and dialogue.
[00:00:28.080]I am ecstatic today.
[00:00:30.370]I, you just don't even know.
[00:00:31.610]I am so excited about the opportunity
[00:00:34.800]to introduce our speakers.
[00:00:37.650]Debra Hope is a clinical psychologist
[00:00:41.030]and an Aaron Douglas Professor
[00:00:43.190]at the University of Nebraska
[00:00:44.650]in the department of psychology.
[00:00:46.890]She is a co-founder of trans collaboration
[00:00:50.430]and community academic partnership
[00:00:52.310]to reduce health disparities for transgender, excuse me
[00:00:57.860]and gender diverse people in our underserved areas.
[00:01:01.000]Her research has focused
[00:01:02.500]on getting the best mental health services
[00:01:05.800]to those who most need them.
[00:01:08.130]Then there's awesome Nathan.
[00:01:10.300]Nathan Woodruff is a co-founder of Trans Collaborations
[00:01:15.360]and the chair of the local community board
[00:01:17.460]and a chair of the local community board.
[00:01:19.880]He has three decades
[00:01:21.640]of experience working on social justice issues
[00:01:26.460]such as promoting equality for all individuals
[00:01:30.120]regardless of their gender, sexual orientation
[00:01:33.970]or racial ethnic identity.
[00:01:36.800]He is a recognized leader
[00:01:40.270]on transgender health, mental health, and wellbeing.
[00:01:45.070]Nathan regularly participates in organizations
[00:01:48.990]and forums to educate the public and TGD communities
[00:01:54.400]on key issues including the transitioning process
[00:01:59.270]developing community support, overcoming stigma
[00:02:02.860]and discrimination and the intersectionality of race,
[00:02:07.070]ethnicity identity with trans gender diversity identities.
[00:02:12.210]Now Nathan, over to you.
[00:02:15.560]Thank you.
[00:02:17.564]Thank you.
[00:02:18.567]And thank you all for joining us today.
[00:02:22.350]Deb and I are both excited to be here and our contributions
[00:02:26.520]to today's discussion will be stories and facts.
[00:02:30.750]So let's get started.
[00:02:33.790]So we're gonna kick this off with a poll question.
[00:02:37.730]And the poll question is
[00:02:41.070]do you personally know someone who identifies
[00:02:44.640]as transgender or gender diverse?
[00:02:48.370]And we emphasize the word personal because we don't,
[00:02:52.120]we don't want to know you gossip about someone
[00:02:55.600]who identifies as,
[00:02:57.930]we wanna know if you personally know someone.
[00:03:00.200]So let's get going
[00:03:02.980]with the poll.
[00:03:18.380]All right, that looks like we got the results back.
[00:03:23.460]The,
[00:03:24.580]we got about 60%, 59% who do personally know someone
[00:03:28.730]and 41% who don't.
[00:03:32.200]So I think we should, we've got a presentation
[00:03:37.180]I think that will speak to both of those audiences.
[00:03:43.590]Thank you.
[00:03:47.370]So today we're gonna be talking about health disparities
[00:03:52.300]and I'd like to start off with a little bit of a discussion
[00:03:55.330]of what that means for those of you who might be unfamiliar.
[00:03:59.210]Transgender and gender diverse folks who will
[00:04:02.700]you may hear us say TGD to shorten that
[00:04:05.890]as a group have higher rates of many health
[00:04:08.700]and mental health problems
[00:04:10.320]including hypertension, depression, suicidality
[00:04:14.010]and substance abuse.
[00:04:15.540]This does not by any means mean
[00:04:18.640]that every TGD person experiences these challenges.
[00:04:23.120]There's increasing data that showed
[00:04:25.730]that many TGD folks lead a really happy productive lives
[00:04:29.757]and that's especially true
[00:04:31.450]if they're able to access the medical care
[00:04:35.030]that they need to affirm their gender identity.
[00:04:38.260]Discussions of health disparities can be very marginalizing
[00:04:43.120]because people kind of get lumped together
[00:04:45.140]as having all these problems.
[00:04:46.500]As Nathan has said to me
[00:04:48.290]as he's read some of our papers,
[00:04:50.420]don't make it look like all trans people are sick,
[00:04:54.170]suicidal and drunk.
[00:04:56.000]And I think that that's a good point.
[00:04:58.050]It can be easy to just sort of fall into that.
[00:05:02.070]Any group with less power in society
[00:05:04.010]is more likely to experience a health condition
[00:05:06.710]compared to another group that has more power.
[00:05:09.080]So for example, mental health disparities
[00:05:11.680]for cisgender women include higher rates of depression
[00:05:14.690]about one in four, compared to men about one in 10.
[00:05:18.700]This does not mean that all women are depressed
[00:05:21.150]or that no men are depressed.
[00:05:24.720]Health disparities are very often related to lack of access
[00:05:27.540]to resources such as healthy food
[00:05:29.590]and safe living environments
[00:05:30.960]as well as experiences of bias, discrimination and violence.
[00:05:39.930]So people often ask us how can I help reduce health
[00:05:43.580]disparities for TGD people?
[00:05:45.780]And what we're gonna talk about today
[00:05:47.500]is some steps that you can take
[00:05:49.860]to decrease the experiences of marginalization
[00:05:53.000]and to help TGD people be included in large and small ways.
[00:06:00.350]And Nathan, turn it back to you.
[00:06:05.190]I also want to also in the beginning of this discussion
[00:06:09.030]emphasize the fact that
[00:06:12.400]every TGD person or person who identifies as TGD
[00:06:20.630]we have our own stories.
[00:06:22.570]We have our own journeys and sometimes they're very personal
[00:06:27.360]but always they're our own.
[00:06:29.690]So we're not a monolith and you'll probably hear me say this
[00:06:33.900]throughout the presentation.
[00:06:35.980]I am not a professional trans person
[00:06:40.030]and I don't play one on TV.
[00:06:42.380]However, I am an individual
[00:06:46.870]I always sometimes describe myself as an individual
[00:06:50.240]with a transgendered background.
[00:06:53.980]So just keep that in mind.
[00:06:55.860]What you hear from me is my story, my take and my opinion.
[00:07:03.100]Okay.
[00:07:06.410]So trans collaborations.
[00:07:10.210]Trans collaboration started as a conversation
[00:07:13.770]at the Metro Lark coffee house between Deb and I.
[00:07:19.490]And I was,
[00:07:24.490]we both had issues or concerns
[00:07:27.000]and Deb was talking about how much she wanted to make sure
[00:07:32.890]that her student clinicians were providing good care
[00:07:39.150]to the people that came in to her clinics
[00:07:42.630]to talk about issues related to being transgender
[00:07:46.360]or gender non-conforming, gender diverse.
[00:07:49.720]So we were talking about that
[00:07:52.760]and my concern was
[00:07:56.080]and I've started telling her stories of how
[00:07:58.560]when I first transitioned, I would have to provide books
[00:08:05.850]and literature to my doctors or my healthcare providers
[00:08:12.520]whether it was a mental health care provider,
[00:08:15.110]or physical health care provider,
[00:08:18.510]I would have to provide the resources
[00:08:21.680]for them to be able to provide me with care.
[00:08:25.500]And that was really concerning to me
[00:08:31.980]because we should be at a place at that time
[00:08:37.690]this was about five years ago.
[00:08:39.870]We need to get to be at a place where providers
[00:08:45.730]it's just not enough for providers to be nice to us.
[00:08:49.270]Like those days, that train had left the station
[00:08:52.380]and that what we needed was for providers to be educated
[00:08:57.740]and seek that education to provide the care for us.
[00:09:02.566]So we and Richard, who's another founder,
[00:09:08.500]the three of us founded Trans Collaborations.
[00:09:11.870]And I could go, I could spend a whole session
[00:09:14.210]talking about the work we've done in Trans Collaboration.
[00:09:18.030]But what it is is as the logo says
[00:09:21.600]it's accountable research and resources.
[00:09:24.810]The other thing that I found disturbing
[00:09:27.160]which is inspired my work with Trans Collaborations
[00:09:32.120]was that I was getting emails probably once a week
[00:09:36.980]from some researchers somewhere who I had never heard of
[00:09:42.550]but had gotten my name from somebody
[00:09:45.030]who wanted me to participate in their research project.
[00:09:49.290]So answer a 40 page questionnaire or survey
[00:09:55.167]and in return I would get a $5 Amazon gift card.
[00:10:00.710]And that was insulting to me.
[00:10:02.930]And it was insulting
[00:10:04.790]that I couldn't be a partner in the research about me.
[00:10:08.807]So that's the foundation of Trans Collaboration.
[00:10:14.840]So, and we can always have a discussion offline
[00:10:18.580]or you could go to our website
[00:10:19.890]and see the work that we're we've done.
[00:10:24.640]So yeah, as Nathan said
[00:10:26.730]this is our community academic partnership
[00:10:30.070]and we'd be happy to chat with anybody at a different time
[00:10:32.830]who's interested in forming those partnerships
[00:10:35.670]'cause we think it's a benefit
[00:10:36.930]both for researchers and for the community.
[00:10:42.140]So I'm gonna turn back, turn it back to Nathan
[00:10:44.480]to talk about the first step that we can take
[00:10:48.400]to help reduce marginalization for TGD folks.
[00:10:53.080]So let's talk about my name.
[00:10:58.000]The part of the process of expressing gender identity
[00:11:02.910]many gender diverse people
[00:11:08.850]select a name that differs from the one
[00:11:11.770]they were assigned at birth.
[00:11:14.260]And that the name that is assigned by birth
[00:11:17.810]is sometimes referred to as a dead name.
[00:11:22.090]And it may be
[00:11:25.281]and they also may legally change their name as well.
[00:11:28.710]But for youth or young people under the age of majority
[00:11:34.920]they have to have their parent's permission
[00:11:37.090]to legally change their name.
[00:11:40.370]It may not be affordable for everyone
[00:11:42.980]to legally change their name.
[00:11:45.760]And it's also a public process because now
[00:11:50.450]to change your name, wasn't like this when i changed my name
[00:11:54.940]but when you change your name, you have to publish it
[00:11:59.670]in a newspaper on say consecutive days in order,
[00:12:04.500]that's all part of the process.
[00:12:06.010]And then you have to go to court and sit in a witness box
[00:12:10.340]and swear that you're not trying to deceive people.
[00:12:14.670]So anyway, in terms of name, it's really important
[00:12:20.300]and respectful we call people by the name they prefer.
[00:12:26.570]Now we do that with nicknames all the time
[00:12:30.220]but for some reasons,
[00:12:33.870]there's some people that get this thing in their head
[00:12:35.910]that they can't do that.
[00:12:38.590]And I would suggest
[00:12:40.690]that it's imperative that you do do that.
[00:12:43.320]And it's imperative that you do that simply out of respect.
[00:12:47.790]So
[00:12:49.610]go ahead, Deb.
[00:12:51.100]So I think that the issues
[00:12:55.290]about legal name change are really important
[00:12:57.280]and I've seen people kind of get hung up on that.
[00:13:00.050]Like people aren't really trans
[00:13:01.830]if they didn't do the legal name change.
[00:13:04.920]And as Nathan said, there's lots of reasons
[00:13:07.960]that people might not do it
[00:13:10.960]including costs and how public it is and such.
[00:13:13.760]So I think it's is somebody who identifies
[00:13:17.390]as a cisgender person.
[00:13:20.080]It's not for me to say whether
[00:13:21.530]or not somebody is really trans.
[00:13:23.480]It's my job to to use the correct name.
[00:13:28.480]So let's just do another poll question here.
[00:13:31.360]Okay. So this poll question,
[00:13:35.500]is it a good idea for teachers to call names aloud
[00:13:42.190]off the official roster on the first day of class?
[00:14:09.650]Oh, yay.
[00:14:10.770]So we have 91% of people saying no
[00:14:13.780]and 9% of people saying, yes.
[00:14:15.960]This is a sophisticated group, Nathan.
[00:14:24.730]Okay.
[00:14:26.570]So
[00:14:28.110]that this is a great example
[00:14:30.020]of a place where we call out names for people we don't know.
[00:14:34.110]And because we're at the University
[00:14:35.420]we use the example of their first day of class.
[00:14:38.470]So any situation where you have to call people out
[00:14:41.730]like this happens to all of us in a doctor's waiting room,
[00:14:45.380]you know you're sitting there waiting
[00:14:46.540]and then the nurse comes up and calls your name.
[00:14:48.700]All of these public places
[00:14:52.180]it is very important to have a mechanism
[00:14:54.960]by which you can know the name that people want to use
[00:14:58.890]even if it differs from the legal name that you might have
[00:15:01.910]in academic records or medical records
[00:15:04.060]so that people don't have to out themselves
[00:15:06.810]by responding to the name being called.
[00:15:12.620]So for example, in classes,
[00:15:14.580]it sounds like many of you may be familiar with this already
[00:15:18.120]come up with a system that doesn't require
[00:15:20.370]going through the roster.
[00:15:21.550]So what that could mean is you have people
[00:15:23.490]introduce themselves, you record their names,
[00:15:26.200]match it up with the roster later
[00:15:28.230]you could use some sort of sign-in sheet
[00:15:31.300]anything that you avoid forcing people
[00:15:35.540]to really respond to a name that isn't correct.
[00:15:41.200]And sometimes it's a name that's painful.
[00:15:44.990]Sometimes insisting on calling someone by their
[00:15:49.750]so-called legal name
[00:15:51.590]it's a, it can be injurious
[00:15:54.270]and we don't wanna do that.
[00:15:56.440]So
[00:15:58.920]yeah.
[00:16:01.030]So then,
[00:16:01.863]I'm thinking Nathan about a story that we've heard
[00:16:03.940]in Trans Collaborations about the person who was
[00:16:07.070]applying for credit at one of the big box stores and the
[00:16:10.830]when this came up on their social security number
[00:16:13.690]under an old name somehow
[00:16:15.600]and then the clerk looks at them
[00:16:17.580]and like, "Oh this can't be you
[00:16:19.060]'cause this is the wrong name."
[00:16:20.410]And then they're having to swear actually it is.
[00:16:23.460]And it's, those are very uncomfortable situations.
[00:16:26.840]So I'm being mindful of knowing what people's names is
[00:16:29.720]I think is really crucial.
[00:16:31.510]Yeah. And that has happened to me.
[00:16:35.550]And it can be awkward
[00:16:38.310]to say the least.
[00:16:42.450]All right, let's jump to talking about pronouns.
[00:16:46.170]I think you have a great story for that, Nathan.
[00:16:48.920]So one of the things that people sometimes have
[00:16:56.150]or express that they have a difficult time
[00:16:59.190]with is getting the pronouns right.
[00:17:02.180]And so I wanna tell you a story.
[00:17:05.270]I was, when I was participating in PFLAG
[00:17:09.290]which is parents and friends of lesbians engaged,
[00:17:13.660]we started seeing a shift in participation
[00:17:18.060]to the point where almost most of a good majority
[00:17:22.150]of the people that were coming to PFLAG,
[00:17:26.040]it's a support organization,
[00:17:27.740]we're seeking support around either being transgendered
[00:17:32.540]or gender diverse
[00:17:34.210]or the parents or the siblings of people
[00:17:37.780]who were gender diverse.
[00:17:41.155]And so one of the things that we do
[00:17:44.210]as a rule in PFLAG is, we break out in, we have a program
[00:17:49.200]and then we break out into small groups.
[00:17:51.090]And so we, the groups are pretty stagnant.
[00:17:53.890]There's a group that's called a transgender group.
[00:17:56.960]There's a gay group.
[00:17:58.080]Sometimes there's a lesbian group
[00:17:59.880]and there's always a parent group.
[00:18:02.220]And you could attend any group that you wanted to attend.
[00:18:06.680]It didn't, you didn't have to be
[00:18:10.670]a part of that group or part of the community
[00:18:14.750]but you, anyone could attend any group, any group.
[00:18:17.900]And so anyway, we had a parent that came
[00:18:21.120]who was loving and kind and supportive parent
[00:18:24.980]who was witnessing her daughter becoming her son
[00:18:34.610]and they were transitioning.
[00:18:36.900]And one of the problems that the parent talked about was
[00:18:42.070]pronouns.
[00:18:43.650]And that she really wanted to be supportive
[00:18:46.760]but she was having a hard time with pronouns.
[00:18:51.000]And so instead of lecturing her
[00:18:56.590]about how important it is to get the right pronoun,
[00:19:01.560]we decided to practice with her to get the right pronouns.
[00:19:06.430]And so what we did was we spent the entire session
[00:19:10.620]having a conversation about her son and using pronouns
[00:19:15.410]and having her talk about her son and using pronouns.
[00:19:19.470]And it made a profound difference in her, the parent,
[00:19:26.310]the mom's sense of being a supportive parent
[00:19:33.210]to the point where she eventually
[00:19:34.710]became I think the president of PFLAG,
[00:19:37.303]but that's an example is, you know pronouns,
[00:19:43.170]Oh that can be a touchy, a touchy subject
[00:19:47.730]and we can have a lot of excuses that we call reasons
[00:19:56.010]to get the pronoun incorrectly.
[00:20:01.890]But they are, you know
[00:20:03.430]to a point they become excuses
[00:20:09.333]and they become our problem
[00:20:12.950]not the trans gendered person's problem.
[00:20:15.960]And they can also create problems.
[00:20:19.060]Getting the pronouns wrong can also create problems
[00:20:21.440]in your personal relationships
[00:20:23.070]with transgendered or gender diverse people.
[00:20:27.720]So,
[00:20:29.690]So the, Nathan talks about the practice.
[00:20:32.000]I think that's kind of the key to getting it right
[00:20:34.430]is to really practice it over and over when you're talking
[00:20:37.480]about someone even when they're not there.
[00:20:39.290]Make, not only making sure you're using the correct name
[00:20:42.040]but that you're using the correct pronouns
[00:20:44.150]and the more you practice, the easier it gets.
[00:20:47.430]Another habit that I think that is helpful
[00:20:51.900]is that when you introduce yourself, include your pronouns
[00:20:56.660]and because I think that makes it safer
[00:20:59.865]for people who are TGD to do it.
[00:21:02.920]We're breaking up the assumption
[00:21:04.950]that we know people's pronouns based
[00:21:06.970]on some superficial appearance.
[00:21:08.960]And as I'm saying that I'm looking very embarrassed
[00:21:11.640]that my name is appears on the screen today
[00:21:14.230]that doesn't have my pronouns.
[00:21:15.670]And usually it does.
[00:21:16.980]So that's the kind of place where it's nice
[00:21:20.010]to just put your pronouns out there
[00:21:22.180]and get used to doing that.
[00:21:24.820]The other thing that comes up about this
[00:21:26.460]especially is academics
[00:21:28.320]for those of you part of the academy is oh, they is plural.
[00:21:31.830]We can't use they as a singular
[00:21:33.800]and people get kind of hung up on the grammar.
[00:21:36.690]So I heard a story recently about that where somebody said,
[00:21:40.800]so suppose you're in a meeting
[00:21:42.750]and everybody is left except you and one other person
[00:21:45.630]this is assuming we're an in-person meeting
[00:21:47.870]which we vaguely remember doing years ago now.
[00:21:51.640]And you say, "Oh, look.
[00:21:54.250]Somebody left their very nice water bottle behind.
[00:21:57.690]I hope they come back and get it."
[00:22:00.530]Now we don't think they is more than one person
[00:22:02.880]but we don't know the gender of who left it
[00:22:05.270]and so we use they.
[00:22:07.060]And I think this is a great example
[00:22:08.800]about how we can get hung up on the singular plural thing
[00:22:13.470]without realizing that indeed
[00:22:15.350]we've kind of already crossed this bridge.
[00:22:19.150]Yeah. I have an aunt who's I love her dearly.
[00:22:22.740]She lives in Michigan
[00:22:24.000]but she would come and visit with her, my cousins.
[00:22:30.490]And we would all go out to eat
[00:22:32.250]and my aunt would she me,
[00:22:35.710]just to like constantly like unnecessarily,
[00:22:40.020]she would she me
[00:22:41.230]and she would do it in front of the wait staff.
[00:22:44.820]And they would look at her like she was a crazy person.
[00:22:48.480]And so we finally, my cousin and I Alicia
[00:22:52.960]we finally sat her down
[00:22:55.480]and said if for no other reason that you get this right
[00:22:59.300]you need to be getting it right
[00:23:00.590]because you look like a crazy person.
[00:23:04.670]And
[00:23:06.930]and believe it or not that was helpful to her
[00:23:08.910]'cause she was a, she is a prideful person,
[00:23:11.630]but
[00:23:14.470]but it was helpful to just like you're making a fool
[00:23:18.480]of yourself lady.
[00:23:19.920]So
[00:23:22.500]anyway, so that's my pronouns story.
[00:23:27.550]All right. I think we're ready for a poll question
[00:23:31.130]again here.
[00:23:32.470]This is about what happens if you get the pronouns wrong.
[00:23:35.580]So Aaron who uses, he/him knows that Jae
[00:23:42.870]who
[00:23:44.320]uses they pronouns.
[00:23:45.920]I'm sorry, but the screen just got covered up with the poll.
[00:23:48.630]So lemme shift here.
[00:23:49.830]So Aaron referred to Jae as she when Jay was present
[00:23:53.550]in a small group of people.
[00:23:55.740]Jae uses they/them pronouns.
[00:23:57.980]What's the best thing for Aaron to do?
[00:24:02.030]A, pretend it didn't happen
[00:24:03.650]then apologize to Jae privately later.
[00:24:07.230]Stop and apologize to Jay explaining that
[00:24:10.540]he has trouble with the singular they
[00:24:12.360]but it's working hard to get it right.
[00:24:14.730]C, pretend it didn't happen and just do better next time.
[00:24:18.430]Or D say something like sorry. I mean they
[00:24:21.130]and then move on working hard to use the correct pronouns
[00:24:24.200]in the future.
[00:24:43.170]All right.
[00:24:44.003]So I will tell you that this
[00:24:47.750]this could have been me
[00:24:50.270]not very long ago actually.
[00:24:52.080]And it could be me tomorrow
[00:24:55.833]especially with the they/them pronouns.
[00:25:00.330]And I have lots of excuses
[00:25:02.820]but
[00:25:05.170]I want to get better at this.
[00:25:09.210]So the results are that
[00:25:11.580]pretend it didn't happen and then apologize in private.
[00:25:17.080]That's 4% of you.
[00:25:19.630]Stop and apologize explaining that you have trouble
[00:25:25.660]with the singular that's 29%,
[00:25:30.620]pretend it didn't happen and just do better next time.
[00:25:33.920]No one said that was a good idea.
[00:25:37.210]And say something like sorry.
[00:25:41.810]I mean they and move on working hard
[00:25:44.720]to use the correct pronouns in the future.
[00:25:47.890]I have done all of them.
[00:25:51.260]And
[00:25:53.319]so I don't know
[00:25:54.610]and I can understand circumstances where
[00:26:00.930]each of these is appropriate
[00:26:03.970]and yeah.
[00:26:05.598]So,
[00:26:07.686]okay.
[00:26:08.810]So is somebody who identifies as cisgender
[00:26:13.720]I tend to use the last one to say, I'm sorry.
[00:26:17.210]I mean, they, which is what most of our respondents said
[00:26:20.700]and then work hard to get it right in the future.
[00:26:23.410]Although in the cases I'm embarrassed to say
[00:26:26.880]that I've done it multiple times
[00:26:28.920]that I can't seem to get it.
[00:26:30.480]I then do sometimes pull people aside later
[00:26:33.140]and say I am sorry.
[00:26:35.940]I am working on this.
[00:26:37.630]This is my issue and I'm gonna get it right.
[00:26:40.840]I think that an important part for me
[00:26:42.860]about that conversation is to be very clear
[00:26:45.970]that I'm not looking for them to tell me it's okay
[00:26:48.017]'cause it's not okay.
[00:26:50.100]And I need to get it together
[00:26:52.010]and I need to go back to that practice, practice, practice
[00:26:56.160]and also to let people know that it's okay
[00:26:59.010]for them to call me out if I do it
[00:27:01.200]but they are not responsible for calling me out.
[00:27:03.650]So that we can kind of go forward
[00:27:07.000]and keep our relationship strong.
[00:27:10.040]So, yeah.
[00:27:11.170]And so it's really important that you don't make a scene
[00:27:16.040]because when you make a scene
[00:27:17.270]about getting the pronoun wrong
[00:27:19.120]and really you're making it about you
[00:27:21.500]and that can be really offensive
[00:27:24.200]to just for lack of better word, it can be really offensive
[00:27:27.900]but it can also be very stigmatizing
[00:27:31.070]to be with a group of people
[00:27:32.810]and everybody there knows that you got it wrong.
[00:27:37.980]And so, you know, if you walk away from that
[00:27:43.500]and you feel bad, that's a good thing
[00:27:45.690]because that will inspire you to get it right.
[00:27:49.270]But just don't make a scene.
[00:27:53.030]Okay.
[00:27:56.060]All right. So
[00:27:58.440]I'm sure many of the people who are joining us today
[00:28:01.600]are in situations where you might be creating
[00:28:05.258]some sort of form, either paper or online
[00:28:09.930]where you're gonna want to ask people about their gender.
[00:28:12.650]This might be clients in a setting
[00:28:14.910]where you provide some services or patients
[00:28:17.600]or it might be research participants, might be students
[00:28:20.720]where you gonna ask people about their gender.
[00:28:23.190]And what I would urge you to do
[00:28:26.130]is we've had conversations
[00:28:27.340]and trans collaborations about this
[00:28:29.380]is to think about what you really need to know.
[00:28:32.040]Is this just a proforma thing that you just asking
[00:28:35.500]but is it something you need to know?
[00:28:38.280]And if you're asking about gender, what you're asking about
[00:28:41.650]is how do people perceive themselves?
[00:28:44.070]And people will have a wide range of answers to this.
[00:28:48.480]They might answer man or woman.
[00:28:50.230]They might answer a transgender man, transgender woman
[00:28:53.120]genderqueer or when we've done this in surveys
[00:28:57.300]and we ask a 100 people, we might get 110 responses.
[00:29:02.440]I mean, really people have a wide variety of things.
[00:29:06.020]So what our local board is really advised us
[00:29:08.970]is to just kind of leave a blank
[00:29:10.750]and let people fill in what makes sense to them.
[00:29:14.290]I think that's really respectful of their identities.
[00:29:17.570]But then as a researcher is where I'm often doing this
[00:29:21.410]I need to put people in some groups
[00:29:23.690]to run my statistical analysis and
[00:29:27.790]or at least the way I'm thinking about research these days
[00:29:30.030]I do.
[00:29:30.863]So then we do a second question
[00:29:32.510]where we say sometimes we got to put people in groups.
[00:29:35.720]We might list the groups that we think are gonna be there
[00:29:39.300]and say which group do you wanna be in?
[00:29:41.260]Or do you not wanna be in a group?
[00:29:43.090]That allows us to give people the power to choose
[00:29:46.780]about how they wanna be represented
[00:29:48.800]or if they don't want to be grouped together.
[00:29:52.330]Another question that we often usually asked was
[00:29:55.110]kind of automatically asked
[00:29:56.130]what was your sex assigned at birth?
[00:29:57.810]And then recently in conversations, it's become really clear
[00:30:01.320]to me that that can be very stigmatizing
[00:30:03.500]and very marginalizing to ask that.
[00:30:05.870]And so we really don't do it
[00:30:08.650]unless there's some compelling reason
[00:30:11.600]we need to know that.
[00:30:13.170]So if you're feeling, making these kinds of forms
[00:30:15.660]think carefully about what information you really need
[00:30:19.150]and then try to ask it in the most affirming way possible.
[00:30:23.790]In our research on affirming healthcare environments
[00:30:26.490]especially behavioral health care,
[00:30:29.070]it turns out that looking at these forms
[00:30:31.750]and seeing how people ask about gender
[00:30:35.160]and perhaps about sex,
[00:30:36.720]is a really strong signal to the TGD community
[00:30:40.320]about whether a space is affirming or not.
[00:30:43.791]So if you do everything else right but don't do that,
[00:30:49.040]you may trip up in your work with the TGD community.
[00:30:56.000]Yeah. And the other thing it's really
[00:31:01.660]just so aside of this,
[00:31:03.250]we did a research project that did
[00:31:06.080]it looked at
[00:31:08.370]the healthcare and mental health care providers
[00:31:11.480]in our region
[00:31:14.070]who said that they provided services to transgender people
[00:31:23.500]and then we went to our researcher,
[00:31:26.380]went to their website
[00:31:28.030]to see if that was indicated on their website.
[00:31:31.160]And I think a very high percent of those websites
[00:31:36.690]did not use the word, did not make a reference, did not.
[00:31:41.740]It was just like the big, it was like a big secret
[00:31:45.120]and always have been of the mindset that said
[00:31:49.100]if you don't say it, you don't mean it.
[00:31:52.250]And so that's something to keep in mind.
[00:31:55.670]And that I think is true for LGBT people across the board.
[00:32:00.760]Is like if you don't say it in your published advertisement
[00:32:06.840]or in your web presence, then you don't mean it.
[00:32:12.250]And so anyway, let's use those words.
[00:32:19.250]So that brings us to the big one in my mind
[00:32:23.510]is thinking outside of the binary box.
[00:32:27.250]A lot of times we do things habitually
[00:32:29.830]especially as you get older
[00:32:34.790]and I'm older.
[00:32:36.780]So you do things out of habit.
[00:32:38.890]And, but take a look at the things that you do
[00:32:41.380]out of habit regarding this subject anyway
[00:32:44.740]and really ask yourself, is it necessary?
[00:32:47.920]Is it necessary to walk into a room full of people
[00:32:50.830]and say, hello ladies and gentlemen?
[00:32:54.290]Hello boys and girls?
[00:32:56.490]Could you just say, hello everyone?
[00:33:02.163]And then try to govern your behavior accordingly.
[00:33:08.030]So we also, we also, when we, when we categorize people
[00:33:16.680]as only having two options, male or female
[00:33:21.550]we're saying that
[00:33:24.520]one is good and one is bad
[00:33:26.200]whether we intend to or not
[00:33:28.280]because that's, I mean, when you only have a binary
[00:33:32.300]to work with and you are have grown up in,
[00:33:36.800]or you're familiar with the culture of this country is
[00:33:41.450]somebody has gotta be bad.
[00:33:43.140]Somebody's gotta be the other.
[00:33:45.310]And so
[00:33:47.936]we don't say things like good morning blonde hair
[00:33:50.860]and brown hair children.
[00:33:53.580]We don't say things like good morning
[00:33:56.090]blue eyed and brown eyed people?
[00:33:58.930]We just say, good morning people.
[00:34:00.980]So Deb, what do you got to say on this?
[00:34:05.060]So the question then comes up about
[00:34:07.466]what do you use instead?
[00:34:09.120]I mean, I think that there's been discussion
[00:34:11.000]in feminist literature for a long time
[00:34:12.970]about calling out gender when you didn't need to.
[00:34:16.645]And I'm thinking of a discussion I saw on Facebook
[00:34:20.890]from a colleague who's from the South
[00:34:24.830]who kinda said, "You know,
[00:34:26.970]I just speaking as a southerner.
[00:34:28.770]I give y'all permission to use y'all."
[00:34:31.990]And that that's okay.
[00:34:33.740]And that's a good generic, you can say, you know
[00:34:37.660]welcome everybody or welcome y'all
[00:34:40.430]is a way to do it.
[00:34:41.600]And I kinda laughed about that
[00:34:42.950]because I have to say, I always felt like
[00:34:45.160]I was sort of mocking southerners when I did that
[00:34:47.560]but now I feel affirmed that I have permission.
[00:34:52.730]Yeah.
[00:34:53.810]Okay.
[00:34:55.810]So I think any discussion of
[00:35:00.490]transgender and gender diverse folks
[00:35:02.790]and kinda best practices
[00:35:04.650]really needs to acknowledge the importance
[00:35:06.313]of intersectionality
[00:35:08.490]and as many people who are listening today know
[00:35:11.060]intersectionality is the idea that
[00:35:13.360]we don't just have one identity
[00:35:16.170]that we all have multiple identities.
[00:35:18.330]And obviously that is true of people who are transgender
[00:35:21.520]or gender diverse as well.
[00:35:22.800]So they may see themselves also as a parent
[00:35:26.360]as a musician, as a brother, a sister,
[00:35:32.050]a sibling, as a grandparent may identify
[00:35:35.951]as a person of particular religious faith
[00:35:39.010]or a racial or ethnic identity.
[00:35:42.220]And it's the case that their TGD identity
[00:35:45.300]may not be central at any given time
[00:35:47.840]and how they think about themselves
[00:35:50.170]how central it is really may change over time.
[00:35:54.110]It may be important at some points in their life
[00:35:56.810]and less important Nathan kind of alluded to that
[00:35:58.990]a little bit earlier
[00:36:00.109]and it may change across situations how central it is.
[00:36:06.060]Nathan has a story that I love.
[00:36:08.240]So when I, so when I'm walking around in target
[00:36:12.580]which I don't do very much anymore because of COVID,
[00:36:16.030]but there was a time when that was kinda my spot
[00:36:20.090]and
[00:36:21.742]what I'm being followed by the so-called security people
[00:36:27.200]who profile people when they go into those stores
[00:36:31.970]it has absolutely nothing to do with being transgender.
[00:36:36.320]And so that's what we mean by it could change
[00:36:39.230]across situations.
[00:36:41.870]When I am driving in my car, if it ever starts again,
[00:36:48.070]and I'm being followed by a police officer
[00:36:53.100]I know for a fact that it has nothing to do
[00:36:57.030]with my being transgender.
[00:36:59.270]In fact, my identity is, and this is just me.
[00:37:05.170]And there are some people that think this and believe this
[00:37:08.290]and then some people have disagreements with me about this
[00:37:12.840]but I really don't identify in my day-to-day life
[00:37:15.790]as a transgender person or a trans anything person.
[00:37:19.600]I identify as an African-American male.
[00:37:24.350]And when I do identify as a trans gendered person
[00:37:30.650]it is for the sake of education,
[00:37:33.830]educating people like this session.
[00:37:37.110]Otherwise, I just don't, it's ,I just don't go there.
[00:37:44.216]So don't assume that that is the only story
[00:37:52.050]I have to tell as my transgender story
[00:37:56.220]or the only story that makes up the body of work
[00:38:00.440]that is me, is my transgender story.
[00:38:05.307]Oh, I am sorry.
[00:38:07.870]Yeah, there is somebody calling.
[00:38:09.970]Okay. So that's that.
[00:38:11.890]That's it.Yeah.
[00:38:13.370]All right. Nathan we're coming up on our time limit here.
[00:38:17.030]So I know we want to talk a little bit
[00:38:19.760]about the resources for trans collaborations
[00:38:24.456]that the slide in the website up here.
[00:38:26.670]Yeah. So I'm talking, just like I said,
[00:38:29.540]I could spend a whole hour talking about Trans Collaboration
[00:38:33.350]and I really hope that you will go to our website
[00:38:36.330]and explore it and see the things that we have done.
[00:38:39.560]But one of the things that we've done
[00:38:42.650]is we've created a self-advocacy workshop.
[00:38:46.070]And why is that?
[00:38:47.220]That has to do with, I strongly believe that
[00:38:53.010]the problems that transgender people have
[00:38:56.980]or gender diverse people have
[00:38:58.770]with having good quality health care
[00:39:03.650]is not because of who we are.
[00:39:07.890]It's not this intrinsic thing about us.
[00:39:10.340]It's not like that's a bad thing about us.
[00:39:13.630]That's a societal problem.
[00:39:16.430]However, I believe that transgender adults
[00:39:20.830]or gender diverse adults can learn different ways
[00:39:25.580]of navigate, I call it navigating the crap.
[00:39:28.920]And so we have designed some workshops that we do.
[00:39:33.700]They were a day long.
[00:39:34.940]We're retrofitting them to be online workshops
[00:39:38.220]where we do a lot of role-playing
[00:39:40.270]and we do a lot of coaching
[00:39:42.350]about the steps to getting good care.
[00:39:46.340]And the first step is being to identify your resources
[00:39:50.920]and it goes, we go all the way to a doctor's appointment.
[00:39:55.740]So that's, and that's been pretty successful
[00:39:58.180]and it has changed people's lives a little bit.
[00:40:00.910]The second thing that we've done
[00:40:02.730]that I'm really happy and proud of is
[00:40:06.040]one of the first things the child loses when they identify
[00:40:09.740]as gender diverse is a camp experience.
[00:40:13.610]So we run a two day camp for children
[00:40:17.800]between the ages of five years old and 13 year olds
[00:40:21.550]and their families at a bonafide really official camp site.
[00:40:27.910]And we provide those families with a lot of firsts.
[00:40:31.980]So it's the first time these children,
[00:40:34.460]these little kids see someone who is like them
[00:40:38.140]but is a grownup, it's the first time their parents
[00:40:41.380]have the opportunity to meet
[00:40:43.300]and talk to people like them, but it's a grownup.
[00:40:46.320]And it's the first time the parents get to meet
[00:40:49.800]with each other and talk to each other about their,
[00:40:52.910]and these are families from as far as South Dakota and Iowa
[00:40:59.400]in any way.
[00:41:00.930]So wee run that camp
[00:41:02.190]and if you go to our website, you'll see more information
[00:41:06.270]about the camp,
[00:41:07.170]about how to get involved in the camp
[00:41:09.410]and how to support the camp financially
[00:41:11.590]if that's how you are so inclined.
[00:41:15.100]And then the publications from our research.
[00:41:17.730]And that's been really rewarding.
[00:41:22.990]So that's all I'll say.
[00:41:24.620]'Cause I know we have a lot,
[00:41:26.443]Probably have some questions. Yeah.
[00:41:30.090]So we have tried to make the products
[00:41:33.620]as available as possible.
[00:41:35.230]Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.
[00:41:38.030]The last slide I wanna put up is about some other resources.
[00:41:42.160]Nathan mentioned PFLAG earlier.
[00:41:44.310]Lincoln has a really active PFLAG group
[00:41:47.830]been meeting through the pandemic.
[00:41:49.230]There are others across Nebraska
[00:41:51.470]most major cities have them.
[00:41:53.780]Shout out to the LGBTQ resource center.
[00:41:58.560]The Gleason website has lots of terrific resources
[00:42:01.700]about pronouns and that sort of what we think
[00:42:04.820]of as kind of trans 101.
[00:42:07.940]Many of you be familiar with the Trevor project
[00:42:10.250]and their work on suicidality.
[00:42:11.850]And then lastly, I wanna note a listing
[00:42:14.770]about welcoming congregations.
[00:42:16.550]Many people just assume
[00:42:18.010]that religious communities are not affirming
[00:42:20.700]of trans identities.
[00:42:22.240]And that is not true.
[00:42:24.000]I will say this particular site
[00:42:25.680]tends to be Christian oriented
[00:42:27.930]but I just really wanna make people aware that
[00:42:31.100]people's spiritual life is very important
[00:42:34.050]for many folks and that you can find a community
[00:42:37.860]that will hopefully meet your needs.
[00:42:43.530]All right.
[00:42:44.363]So now we're to questions.
[00:42:48.712](laughs)
[00:42:52.160]Thanks Debra, Nathan for sharing your experiences
[00:42:54.830]and how academic and community partnerships
[00:42:57.470]can help build trans community.
[00:42:59.907]So we will open up the floor for any questions.
[00:43:03.770]Feel free to directly message Dr.Kasabaum or me.
[00:43:07.860]If you have any
[00:43:12.220]Dr. Katie.
[00:43:13.340]Yeah. You can ask questions.
[00:43:14.410]You can unmute or be unmuted and ask questions too.
[00:43:17.450]So,
[00:43:19.980]and I think I have a question.
[00:43:23.750]Oh, not unmute, but you can raise your hand
[00:43:27.060]but I think I have a question here earlier
[00:43:30.200]and I hope I'm not saying your name right, wrong.
[00:43:32.140]It's Allura.
[00:43:34.040]Can you give me a thumbs up if I got it right.
[00:43:36.189]You know, I kinda
[00:43:37.022]That was perfect.
[00:43:38.210]But never happens and that was perfect.
[00:43:40.720]Hey, hey, hey, appreciate it.
[00:43:42.830]So Allura, you can ask her your question
[00:43:45.590]or you want me to read it for you?
[00:43:50.158]I think I will go ahead and ask it.
[00:43:51.420]So something that came up this past week in our program
[00:43:56.290]is that we were interacting with someone who has
[00:44:00.950]like doesn't use any pronouns.
[00:44:02.770]And so I thought I threw it out to the group
[00:44:05.730]but I thought it would be helpful to discuss,
[00:44:08.090]like what do you do in that situation?
[00:44:10.010]I mean, I know what I do,
[00:44:11.060]but I think some people may not be as familiar
[00:44:14.150]and I thought it would be a helpful question
[00:44:16.260]just for other people to kind of think about.
[00:44:20.790]What did you do, Allura?
[00:44:24.740]I knew you gonna do that Ethan.
[00:44:26.850]So
[00:44:28.770]I love it.
[00:44:29.880]Yeah. I work Nathan and Deb.
[00:44:31.979]So using the person's name instead of pronouns
[00:44:37.460]is what I have always thought was the most appropriate
[00:44:40.480]and it looks like Pat and CJ agreed with me in the chat.
[00:44:44.790]But I I don't know if anyone else has any other thoughts
[00:44:48.420]on that?
[00:44:51.430]I feel like this is something that
[00:44:56.030]what people ask you to do is what you should do.
[00:44:58.640]So if they're saying I don't use pronouns, use my name
[00:45:02.830]then it's up to us to step up and do that.
[00:45:08.130]I think that
[00:45:11.200]if you're, if somebody says
[00:45:12.950]I know you use pronouns and you don't know what that means
[00:45:15.210]I think it's okay to say, so that's what you don't do.
[00:45:19.570]What do you do?
[00:45:20.450]Like, you know what works
[00:45:21.640]it's that to have a respectful conversation about that
[00:45:24.987]but the bottom line is when people let you know
[00:45:27.926]then it's, then the job's on us to get it right.
[00:45:35.000]Yeah. That's a good answer.
[00:45:36.120]I love that.
[00:45:37.630]And don't be, so I can be a cranky old person
[00:45:43.130]that gets kind of stuck in my ways.
[00:45:45.360]And
[00:45:46.370]I am,
[00:45:50.286]I remember when I first heard the term cisgender
[00:45:53.370]and I'm just like, what?
[00:45:56.680]You know, and just don't be the cranky old person
[00:46:00.402]that sometimes we can be like when new ideas come to us
[00:46:06.900]just, you know
[00:46:08.867]and the big thing is to don't ridicule, don't minimize
[00:46:15.159]and don't poke fun
[00:46:18.340]of people who see things differently than you do.
[00:46:24.950]So anyway
[00:46:27.290]Yeah. I hear you, Nathan.
[00:46:29.260]I hear you're saying and be open, right?
[00:46:31.500]We have an open mind, open heart, right?
[00:46:34.740]And understand it's ever-changing, right?
[00:46:38.340]Words, you know, I, you know
[00:46:39.720]you hear people talk about, Oh my goodness.
[00:46:42.260]You know, what's the vocabulary today or it's changed
[00:46:44.940]you know what?
[00:46:45.870]Be open, go with it.
[00:46:48.166]You know, our technology changes everyday.
[00:46:50.180]I don't hear you talking about that.
[00:46:52.020]Yeah. I see you getting that new iPhone
[00:46:55.416]Well that's right, right.
[00:46:58.237]Yeah. Okay.
[00:47:00.240]We have one more question.
[00:47:02.770]What advice do you have
[00:47:04.430]for individuals who feel their spirituality
[00:47:07.280]creates a barrier to supporting trans individuals
[00:47:11.130]or don't quite understand that trans folks can be religious.
[00:47:19.180]You gotta, you gotta choose I guess.
[00:47:21.220]I mean, I don't ,
[00:47:23.470]I mean, if your spirituality
[00:47:27.637]do you mean like religion or what'd,
[00:47:30.370]So I don't even know what that means really.
[00:47:32.060]Spirituality.
[00:47:37.400]I always say, if you don't like gay marriage
[00:47:40.120]don't marry a gay person.
[00:47:42.570]So it's, it can be pretty simple.
[00:47:46.976]It's like, I don't know.
[00:47:49.370]Just
[00:47:52.150]me personally,
[00:47:56.310]like I wouldn't attend a church
[00:47:59.630]that was overtly negative
[00:48:04.980]about me being my authentic self.
[00:48:08.150]And so you have to choose, you have to make,
[00:48:11.050]sometimes, sometimes there are hard choices to be made.
[00:48:17.400]I, just a point of clarification.
[00:48:19.460]I think the question is how do you support individuals
[00:48:24.160]who identify as trans,
[00:48:26.230]if that is against your own spirituality beliefs?
[00:48:31.620]So resources. Yeah.
[00:48:33.347]Okay. Yeah, I can jump in here.
[00:48:35.490]This is actually something that comes up fairly often.
[00:48:38.800]You know, I'm a clinical psychologist
[00:48:40.420]and part of what I do is supervise
[00:48:43.070]and provide mental health services.
[00:48:45.650]These kinds of things come up in that context.
[00:48:48.350]And there's a couple of things that we often do.
[00:48:52.280]One is often encourage people to have a conversation
[00:48:57.280]with a spiritual or religious leader they trust about it
[00:49:00.690]because it often is the case
[00:49:02.531]they're kind of not understanding or not,
[00:49:06.190]not getting the fullness of what their faith
[00:49:10.170]would bring to bear on this.
[00:49:12.270]And that could often be,
[00:49:13.650]'cause it's kind of a religious question,
[00:49:15.130]the go to the experts.
[00:49:16.800]And the second thing is to,
[00:49:19.750]regardless of people's religious identity,
[00:49:23.060]many people can identify kind of the common humanity
[00:49:27.850]we share and that there's lots of things
[00:49:30.070]about other people that we may or may not like
[00:49:33.140]or support or be part of our identity
[00:49:35.260]but to try to focus on our common shared humanity
[00:49:40.680]and focus on that rather than, you know
[00:49:44.370]the identity that we're less comfortable with.
[00:49:46.370]And I see something from
[00:49:49.370]popping up in the chat here about, yeah.
[00:49:51.310]Most spiritual traditions have a golden rule.
[00:49:53.980]And that's a kind of another version of that
[00:49:57.340]common humanity I think is useful.
[00:50:00.130]Yeah. That's a tough one.
[00:50:01.520]And it's a tough one if it's your family and you're,
[00:50:04.680]you don't agree with your family.
[00:50:05.850]There's all sorts of complications there.
[00:50:08.170]Yeah. I love that part says you choose communist,
[00:50:11.630]choose communist people
[00:50:13.540]seriously.
[00:50:14.680]All right. We have time for probably one more question.
[00:50:17.980]And it's how do
[00:50:19.670]how might you support parents of trans children?
[00:50:25.560]So that's a good one.
[00:50:29.024]I think as trans people sometimes we're hard on our parents
[00:50:33.800]and I think,
[00:50:37.120]Nathan, you were hard.
[00:50:38.380]That's what you're saying. I'm just kidding.
[00:50:41.100]You have to love transparents and you have to respect
[00:50:45.311]that they're on a journey too.
[00:50:48.633]And ask them what they need.
[00:50:53.050]What do you need?
[00:50:55.099]How can I be there for you?
[00:50:57.400]Because nobody, I mean, there's so many bits
[00:51:02.060]and pieces of being a parent that we don't get a book for.
[00:51:06.360]You certainly don't get the book for hi,
[00:51:11.590]hi mom?
[00:51:13.780]I'm a guy, you know, there's nothing,
[00:51:16.014]there's no way to prepare a parent for that news.
[00:51:22.110]And so we have to acknowledge that that's hard.
[00:51:26.390]It can be hard and it could be a long journey for parents
[00:51:30.620]and I feel bad. I feel fortunate.
[00:51:33.240]It wasn't my, I think my mother started my journey
[00:51:35.890]for me before I, you know, she watched too much out
[00:51:40.100]for a back in the day, but it can be
[00:51:44.280]you can be really hard on parents.
[00:51:46.420]And so you just love them and point them to resources.
[00:51:53.240]And I think like PFLAG
[00:51:54.457]and meeting other parents could be super helpful.
[00:51:57.000]Then there was some groups around town of parents
[00:51:59.290]of younger kids and older kids and such as well.
[00:52:02.780]Again, as a mental health provider
[00:52:04.490]I always kind of keep two things in my mind.
[00:52:06.920]One is I absolutely expect them to do the best
[00:52:10.680]by their child
[00:52:11.880]and at the same time I realized
[00:52:14.150]that they may not be in a position right now to do that
[00:52:17.370]and we want to help them move to that direction.
[00:52:20.520]Wonderful, wonderful.
[00:52:22.340]This is wonderful. Thank you so so much.
[00:52:25.550]Thank you so much.
[00:52:27.740]All right.
[00:52:28.573]I think we should use our emoji's right now
[00:52:30.270]real quick to say thank you for the information.
[00:52:34.740]Thank you for the presentation.
[00:52:37.470]Thank you for the knowledge.
[00:52:39.620]Yes.
[00:52:41.400]Thank you for the opportunity and everybody's time today.
[00:52:43.990]It's always a privilege to get to do this.
[00:52:46.420]Yeah. Thank you so much.
[00:52:48.910]All right. So for the next spot
[00:52:51.880]we're going to move into breakout rooms for 15 minutes.
[00:52:56.590]And I welcome everybody to be part
[00:52:58.750]of the small group discussion in which we'll discuss
[00:53:02.520]about today's talk and how it connects with the books
[00:53:05.590]we've been reading namely "The Cost",
[00:53:08.867]"The Origins of Our Discontent",
[00:53:10.487]"How To Be An Inclusive Leader"
[00:53:12.210]and "How To Be Anti-racist."
[00:53:14.060]So get your phones out,
[00:53:15.950]take a picture of the prompts for discussion
[00:53:19.060]or just take a screenshot and reflect on this
[00:53:23.190]and we'll be back in 15.
[00:53:25.890]And when we returned to the large group,
[00:53:28.200]I will call on three groups randomly
[00:53:30.770]to share some key points of what you spoke about.
[00:53:35.070]So just note the number of you group your join
[00:53:37.650]and select a person who will share at the end.
[00:53:41.830]Okay. So I hope everyone got a chance to just
[00:53:44.350]like process your thoughts and share with the group.
[00:53:48.838]And so looks like we had five groups and we have time.
[00:53:52.890]So I think we'll just start with group one
[00:53:55.880]and kind of hear from everybody about what you discussed.
[00:54:01.080]So group one, who's gonna,
[00:54:03.420]All right. I am representing group one.
[00:54:08.100]Hi Erin.
[00:54:12.215]We spent some time,
[00:54:14.560]we had Pat in our group, which was really wonderful
[00:54:17.710]but Pat talked about how, you know, it is infact
[00:54:21.030]yes, very hard to find healthcare professionals
[00:54:23.400]who are informed and being friendly
[00:54:25.310]does not necessarily mean that
[00:54:28.790]one is in one is knowledgeable.
[00:54:32.780]And then thinking about actions
[00:54:36.530]really engaging in converse
[00:54:40.130]students in conversation, keeping an open mind,
[00:54:42.240]being curious, acknowledging that we need to accept
[00:54:48.820]who another person says they are.
[00:54:51.690]It's not, it's on us to accept that.
[00:54:55.070]We don't need to understand
[00:54:56.990]before we can, be for accepting.
[00:55:00.090]And yeah, to continue practicing pronouns
[00:55:03.170]which is not something everyone has always been, been doing
[00:55:08.810]or yeah.
[00:55:11.950]Yeah. So the more you practice, the easier it gets.
[00:55:14.910]Yeah. It doesn't come naturally sometimes.
[00:55:18.360]Exactly.
[00:55:21.590]Okay. Group two.
[00:55:36.050]Did all the groups who people leave? Come on now.
[00:55:38.486]All group two
[00:55:39.319]We don't know what the numbers are.
[00:55:41.580]Oh, the groups that you were in your room.
[00:55:43.530]like what room you were in.That's group two.
[00:55:45.290]Yeah. I understand exactly what you're saying.
[00:55:47.590]I have no idea what our number for our group was.
[00:55:50.180]Okay. It looks like,
[00:55:52.600]Group two was Dr. Combs, Dr.Pennisi, Lisa.
[00:55:59.490]Sorry.
[00:56:01.870]Pennisi, we, the group didn't actually talk, so,
[00:56:08.970]Okay.
[00:56:10.200]All right.
[00:56:12.380]Let's go to group three. Maybe they needed a break.
[00:56:14.440]It's all right? Good three?
[00:56:22.840]Sorry. I'm representing group three.
[00:56:26.970]And between all four of us
[00:56:29.660]we had read the three different books
[00:56:34.330]and we found that, we find I guess,
[00:56:38.260]that we are now more aware.
[00:56:42.210]So we're being better listeners for our colleagues.
[00:56:46.290]We're more alert to challenges that different people
[00:56:49.810]are facing.
[00:56:52.690]And because we're more aware
[00:56:54.190]we're more accepting also of people as they are.
[00:56:57.460]That was part of the both the inclusive leadership
[00:57:00.980]and the anti-racist book.
[00:57:03.610]We're learning to be better advocates
[00:57:06.510]and to be more inclusive
[00:57:07.980]to be alert for providing equitable opportunities
[00:57:12.590]not equal opportunities, but equitable opportunities.
[00:57:18.510]I think that's it.
[00:57:20.639]Okay. So good.
[00:57:23.260]Yeah, that was great.
[00:57:24.710]Okay. Group four.
[00:57:28.190]So in our group
[00:57:29.390]we really, after some brief reflection,
[00:57:32.740]we really talked about how this is really a learning journey
[00:57:36.760]for all of us and how it's important for us to practice
[00:57:40.630]I think in line with what group one had already said
[00:57:43.890]practice using pronouns
[00:57:45.480]and to make it part of our daily practice.
[00:57:51.020]And we also talked about how it can be a struggle
[00:57:54.260]to incorporate inclusivity,
[00:57:55.860]equity, diversity into our everyday everyday interactions.
[00:58:00.650]And that's something that we all kind of pledged
[00:58:03.250]to continue working on.
[00:58:05.480]And our discussion kind of veered a little off piece
[00:58:10.210]in that two of us in the group
[00:58:12.020]work at the Sheldon Museum of Art.
[00:58:13.500]So we ended up talking
[00:58:14.460]about how we can within our museum context
[00:58:18.340]provide more equitable access to various programming
[00:58:23.810]into the building and so on and so forth.
[00:58:27.540]That's awesome Melissa. Thank you. Look at that group.
[00:58:32.140]They're already applying it to their area.
[00:58:34.550]I know. That's a good point. Yeah.
[00:58:38.594]All right. The last group, group five.
[00:58:42.324]I am representing group five.
[00:58:45.700]My name is Janell I'm at the Sheldon Museum of Art.
[00:58:49.620]And to start off with
[00:58:50.810]we had a couple people who had, are new to the group.
[00:58:53.740]So they didn't read the books, but from comparing how
[00:58:57.980]to be anti-racist to this conversation today,
[00:59:02.570]a part of the book talked about not generalizing people
[00:59:06.540]based on one person's behavior.
[00:59:08.710]And again, I was reminded
[00:59:09.790]of that in this conversation about, for example
[00:59:13.110]just because someone is gender diverse
[00:59:15.010]or transgender doesn't mean
[00:59:17.030]that that's the only identity that they follow
[00:59:21.799]and that people are complex individuals
[00:59:25.570]and they have unique lives and experiences.
[00:59:29.130]And then collectively as a group
[00:59:31.290]we talked about just the word grace
[00:59:33.600]that this year has really, that word kind of resonates a lot
[00:59:38.530]like just trying to have more grace with people
[00:59:42.060]not assuming things about people,
[00:59:46.270]listening, trying to be open to opening up about ourselves
[00:59:52.330]but also open to listening to other people.
[00:59:55.050]So we all can become more comfortable with
[00:59:58.690]with all these unique identities.
[01:00:04.230]And then one person mentioned in the group this year
[01:00:07.330]has taught some of us a lot about self-reflection
[01:00:10.090]and how important that is too.
[01:00:14.830]Well, thanks for sharing.
[01:00:15.780]I think Nathan spoke a little about it
[01:00:20.000]when we were in, you know, preparing
[01:00:22.250]about stuff like how comfortable people usually
[01:00:24.670]are to discuss this topic, right?
[01:00:26.330]'Cause it doesn't come naturally. It doesn't come easy.
[01:00:29.560]And then we do wanna say the wrong thing.
[01:00:33.080]So Nathan, if you have something to add to that.
[01:00:40.650]Not really just that we have to be,
[01:00:46.462]I don't know this combination of stern
[01:00:48.540]and kind to ourselves.
[01:00:51.780]And I say stern because it is important that we get it right
[01:00:58.990]because you're talking about human beings
[01:01:02.960]and the ways that you can connect to their humanity
[01:01:09.820]and appreciate their humanity, but then kind to yourself
[01:01:15.460]because you may perceive this as a difficult thing.
[01:01:19.890]So I think most of the transgendered
[01:01:25.750]or gender diverse people that I know are patient to a point
[01:01:32.960]and then it's like, come on y'all.
[01:01:35.739]Let's get this right.
[01:01:38.120]And so, and I think we have made great strides
[01:01:42.280]in getting it right in terms of how we treat each other.
[01:01:48.420]And really, if you let kindness and love guide you
[01:01:53.840]then that's a good start.
[01:01:58.340]Oh yeah. That was great. All right.
[01:02:01.310]So that was wonderful.
[01:02:03.560]I just want to say, yeah, thank you.
[01:02:05.780]So I want us to use our reaction buttons
[01:02:08.200]because I'm all about celebrating and giving thanks.
[01:02:12.570]So I want people to use our reaction buttons
[01:02:15.130]to thank Deb Hope, Nathan Woodruff again, for their insight
[01:02:20.680]and their commitment to inclusive excellence
[01:02:23.130]I'm be like trying to do my reactions to loved it.
[01:02:27.030]Also thank yourselves for being active participants
[01:02:30.690]in self-education through learning, reading, and dialogue.
[01:02:36.280]And then I wanna also share with you our next meeting.
[01:02:39.050]Woo, woo. I'm so excited.
[01:02:41.470]It's April 16th and it's a time difference.
[01:02:44.190]Is at 4:30 to 6:30.
[01:02:46.330]And we're gonna celebrate this inclusive journey
[01:02:48.900]that we've been on so far with Include.
[01:02:52.160]We're gonna have multiple speakers.
[01:02:54.000]Actually, one of our speakers is in the house right now
[01:02:57.020]and there are phenomenal.
[01:02:58.680]We're gonna have some speakers.
[01:02:59.860]We're gonna have a panelist.
[01:03:01.520]So our speaker guest speaker
[01:03:03.510]is going to be Dr. Lisa Pennisi,
[01:03:10.709]as I said right earlier,
[01:03:12.110]Pennisi who is in the house right there,
[01:03:14.960]is gonna talk about neurodiversity on campus.
[01:03:17.910]We're gonna have a guest panel
[01:03:21.320]that's going to come and talk about the Lakotas
[01:03:26.520]the Lakota worldview.
[01:03:29.190]And then we're gonna have a surprise guest panelists.
[01:03:34.660]Yes. It's gonna be,
[01:03:36.300]our keynote speaker is gonna be Jennifer Brown
[01:03:38.720]who wrote the book that was part of our book club,
[01:03:42.517]"Inclusive Leader."
[01:03:43.570]We are so excited. Oh my goodness.
[01:03:46.050]So tell your friends, show up
[01:03:49.440]sign up and remember
[01:03:53.910]be inclusive.
[01:03:56.250]If you haven't, visit our website, visit.
[01:03:59.410]If you haven't shared your actions, share them.
[01:04:02.110]'Cause I heard some of them today.
[01:04:03.780]Some people were sharing what they've done.
[01:04:05.820]Go to my Husker Action and share,
[01:04:08.200]but be well, stay safe and be inclusive.
[01:04:12.000]Thank you.

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