Shawn Dunwoody – Hixson-Lied Visiting Artist
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Interdisciplinary artist Shawn Dunwoody will present the next Hixson-Lied Visiting Artist & Scholar lecture on Wednesday, Oct. 14 at 5:30 p.m. CDT via Zoom. The lecture is free and open to the public and available via Zoom.
Dunwoody is a multi-disciplinary artist and educator in Rochester, New York. He is a visual consultant and owner of Dunwoody Design, located at the Outfit Collective. He is also the director of Rochester City Mural Arts in New York, Rochester Fashion Week, and FOURWALLS Art Gallery, among other activities, all with an emphasis on creating accessible, shareable art for the community.
He works with communities on large-scale murals and community-building projects. Dunwoody has facilitated national and international projects in Portugal, Brazil and other locations. His 20 years of experience as a director, producer, designer, maker, influencer, developer and artist gives him the opportunity to establish cutting-edge, creative design in a variety of forms.
To see his work, visit https://www.dunwoode.design.
The University of Nebraska–Lincoln School of Art, Art History & Design’s Hixson-Lied Visiting Artist & Scholar Lecture Series brings notable artists, scholars and designers to Nebraska each semester to enhance the education of students.
Dunwoody's lecture is also supported with a grant from the Faculty Senate Convocations Committee.
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- [00:00:00.000]belindaleon: You and I, and your community that surround you or the community that you want to have yourself surrounded by
- [00:00:08.429]belindaleon: I'm going to talk a bit about
- [00:00:10.920]belindaleon: My process of community engagement and what what that means or how that works together and I talked yesterday to a group. So I want to explain to you my organized confusion, how organized confusion can create some some beautiful things
- [00:00:26.220]belindaleon: within a community within a people within a person. I think the value of public art, art in the public realm is very important can enter and be the tipping point too many things that we may not have those solutions or connections to
- [00:00:41.970]belindaleon: And I appreciate you taking this time out and listening to sort of my journey as to get there. I did once again I've had many mistakes and burdens in life. I don't claim to be an expert.
- [00:00:53.010]belindaleon: I'm just the guy who just get who who was willing to fail and fall on his face every once in a while.
- [00:00:58.680]belindaleon: But not out of fear, but because of out of love to move forward and it's just like a baby a baby is going to fall on it's on. It's on his bottom on his knees.
- [00:01:07.200]belindaleon: And on its face a few times. A lot of times
- [00:01:10.050]belindaleon: Before it can begin to walk. So I'm going to begin that journey. You guys going to go with me. I wish I could hear you, or see you are all those things, but we will do this together as my first sort of virtual
- [00:01:19.500]belindaleon: Connection with folks I use. I could see like three faces right there. I can see AMA AMA and Jeffrey. So I like that definitely so.
- [00:01:28.200]belindaleon: I can see you. So, at least, it feels as if I'm talking to someone. So I appreciate that. Thank you very much. So I'm going to, I'm going to share my screen. Don't, don't.
- [00:01:36.600]belindaleon: Worry about my messy desktop, that you may see. All right. Hopefully, I had a disaster earlier today trying to
- [00:01:43.470]belindaleon: Trying to do a zoom and make things happen. It was a disaster, the whole wall. The whole world just just crumbled before my eyes and I had to cry, my pillow to say about it.
- [00:01:54.060]belindaleon: But we will make sure that that doesn't happen. So if I go through our, our steps we did earlier cider, I should be able to do this right
- [00:02:02.610]Sandra Williams: Yeah, so you're in areas.
- [00:02:06.450]belindaleon: I'm gonna go right here and I'm going to share it. I am. Oh, wow. Okay, let's go and I hit this little bit. Whoa, did it go. Okay, there we go. So we'll start at the beginning.
- [00:02:19.200]belindaleon: That's me as a little bitty baby there, you know, whatever. It's just, I just I just like showing baby pictures of myself because it's something to do. So move forward on that. Here I am a little bit more swag. So I'll tell you a bit about myself and growing up.
- [00:02:36.750]belindaleon: I was the youngest of
- [00:02:39.780]belindaleon: Four, and you know we grew up in a pretty poor neighborhood and in Rochester we grew up in an area called the crescent, and that's where you have
- [00:02:50.640]belindaleon: High concentrations of poverty and what I now call today like assault and that's where I grew up, single mom for boys and making things happen in this time in my life. I've always been
- [00:03:05.910]belindaleon: Drawn to the arts in particular was I was drawn to, you know, cartoons and and folks like that I was, I was really into Spider Man, I really wanted to be Spider Man, that was my drive my life spider man.
- [00:03:16.290]belindaleon: And of course, I love Batman because he was just a dude who could who could who could do nothing wrong. And so I've always wanted to be a superhero and connected in some way, shape, or form to the people.
- [00:03:29.430]belindaleon: You know, so later on in life I traveled through I didn't, I didn't see these folks, creating artwork or doing things around me, but I was, I was like, you know, it's on TV. It's here. I spent many a time with Bob Ross and looking and making you know happy little trees and
- [00:03:45.360]belindaleon: Burst of clouds, but I couldn't find anybody in my neighborhood that looked like me. That was my skin tone that was producing anything or creating just like you just, just go to work and
- [00:03:54.780]belindaleon: You shut the hell up, and just do what you gotta do. There's none of that stuff that happens in the neighborhood.
- [00:04:00.360]belindaleon: So moving forward,
- [00:04:02.820]belindaleon: I get tossed out of two high schools. I have no education. And by the time I'm 20 I have three children 21 x two.
- [00:04:11.460]belindaleon: X three kids, no money, no education. I'm really trying to find out what can I do, how can I be this hero but but about you see that pedal Batmobile love that Batmobile God it was the greatest thing for me to have. And I've got a cape on there and
- [00:04:27.330]belindaleon: I wanted to actually pursue something I wanted to, I thought it was important to pursue the arts. I thought it was possible.
- [00:04:33.270]belindaleon: So I spent a couple of years in junior college and from there I connected with with different folks who actually had some connections and I started to get into assemblage and piecing things together.
- [00:04:43.500]belindaleon: By found objects and I thought it was connected to who I am, because you know being this this this young fellow here.
- [00:04:50.520]belindaleon: And an urban environment that really didn't consider that he was going to be much or make much and they kind of disregard you I felt as if
- [00:04:58.470]belindaleon: These objects. I picked off the ground. That was stepped up on spit of on peed on whatever and piece them together and put them in a new light became something new.
- [00:05:06.240]belindaleon: It could when you put it in a different context when you put it in a different place. And so folks are like, oh yeah, the
- [00:05:12.690]belindaleon: Artwork is great. Everything's awesome. It's amazing. I was the artist, you know, sipping wine and having a good time. This guy right here, he was all I had to. And I'm like, Yeah, I'm the artist sometimes school that I can actually talk and lecture.
- [00:05:25.110]belindaleon: And I do all the things. And so I'm on my lecture, lecture circuit with, you know, some colleges and universities and I met one university.
- [00:05:32.700]belindaleon: And I look at the audience and I see that no one actually looked like me. No one had my skin tone whatsoever. And I realized that I kind of missed my mic my book, my drive of what I wanted to do see that follow right there.
- [00:05:50.730]belindaleon: I realized that I missed what I wanted to be. I wanted to be what he wanted to see when he was eight years old, and how can I be that. How can I be that hero.
- [00:06:02.400]belindaleon: To this film in his neighborhood who doesn't see many heroes.
- [00:06:08.280]belindaleon: And so I packed all those things away and I decided to go into my communities and create something. And first off, you have to start in your own home. So I ended up
- [00:06:20.670]belindaleon: Working for the City of Rochester, creating a program called Mark, which is mural artists of Rochester.
- [00:06:27.240]belindaleon: And with our new artists of Rochester, I was working with young people here some of the young folks right here. And our mission was to be engaged in the community and find out what is it that the community would like to see or hear
- [00:06:41.130]belindaleon: That was our problem, we would walk, walk to stores or walk into businesses and say, hey, we want to do something. What would you like to hear. So these folks are about 1516 years of age and
- [00:06:51.570]belindaleon: This is the project we did, which was the post it note project. So we created these three dimensional post it notes and we stuck them on building. So they actually do stick off the wall and this came from.
- [00:07:02.940]belindaleon: This quote came from the woman who actually owned the building of Mrs. BARBARA HOFFMAN great woman. And she said, you know, tell people remember you're beautiful.
- [00:07:10.680]belindaleon: And so we went back to the lab and we started cutting out our
- [00:07:14.190]belindaleon: Our plastic and bending it and we made these posts and notes when they screw them on stuck into the wall and they were excited and proud about that because once again, it's the first time they've been extra work with power tools.
- [00:07:23.070]belindaleon: Been engaged in the community and actually trading a message and it was great to come back and hear Barbara say that one day she was walking by and there was a young man.
- [00:07:32.610]belindaleon: That posted his young is young lady a girl from whatever up against this post it notes. I said, you know, baby, I love you remember your beautiful. It was one of those moments where it okay words were actually effective and powerful and art was actually a connector in communities.
- [00:07:49.380]belindaleon: We started this other program. It's still the same program. Sorry. When we started thinking about words. I thought about words in their importance and community.
- [00:07:57.030]belindaleon: And it made me think about what how we approach things. And let's say let's put these words in neighborhoods and if there are neighborhoods. You're living next to them. So let's call them. Words To Live By.
- [00:08:06.300]belindaleon: So me and my team. This young team. We started creating Words To Live By. In the studio finding whatever we could to create and make these things on signs or panels, whatever else, he says this is think and quickly we put this on the fence.
- [00:08:20.400]belindaleon: Great piece. It stayed there for many years and actually stayed there for so many years, close to 10 years on that fence. It was a great thing.
- [00:08:27.930]belindaleon: We did this piece right here, pray, we put this on canvas we stuck it up. You see it says, Pray, because we asked them on. What do you want to say a bunch of community. And they're like,
- [00:08:36.300]belindaleon: We'd like to tell them to pray for the community. Like, oh yeah, this is a great, fantastic. So we got to work founder type phase founder finally put it on with Titan onto the canvas.
- [00:08:44.850]belindaleon: Were like whoa we stand in front of it is great. We come back a day later, you know what it stolen. It's gone. Somebody stole who steals this who steals this off of offense. Now we're all pissed, I'm upset. I'm like, What the hell, the summer guns.
- [00:08:58.350]belindaleon: Like we're going back to the lab where we're gonna make it bigger and better. So we go bigger larger we make it now this time it's it's it's a silver and grey and we make it. He'll just like an eight by eight bill thing and we tie it up or like, here it is. Pray
- [00:09:15.960]belindaleon: And two days later, guess what happened. It was gone.
- [00:09:21.120]belindaleon: couldn't quite understand why that was gone, but it will make sense in the future as to what happens here.
- [00:09:27.240]belindaleon: These are some of the young folks Ignite change. They're like, we want to make change. Want to do things we want to be engaged.
- [00:09:32.550]belindaleon: This side as well. What Stalin, maybe because the guys wanted to scrap it and the junkyard was around the corner is made out of steel. I don't know what it was gone.
- [00:09:41.040]belindaleon: I couldn't figure out why these things were going. And here's one right here. We asked the dentist. We asked the dentist. What would you like to see
- [00:09:48.150]belindaleon: In the community. He says, Tell people to floss. It's so important. And let me tell you, I just left the dentist.
- [00:09:53.670]belindaleon: Three days ago and it is very important to floss floss think is very important. So we put this up. It's on a sheet of metal it hangs up when you enter into our public market and we come back maybe four or five days later, and it's gone.
- [00:10:07.470]belindaleon: Which made me realize the importance of art or maybe it's the importance of metal that you can sweat and a community that is a need
- [00:10:16.050]belindaleon: A COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS SOME healing some connection. Some, like some guidance some some brightness in their world. And so I said, with our words to live by, let's let's get a little bit more solid with this and started hearing them to abilities.
- [00:10:29.670]belindaleon: And once again, this came from a community member just asking the, the owner of this building at the time, though, the
- [00:10:35.580]belindaleon: Oldest Lumber Company, we said, hey, what would you like to say, and he said, ask people, what is your purpose so
- [00:10:40.830]belindaleon: It's hard to take this in context is a big hill. That's right before you. You see, you would see this side it's it's been removed.
- [00:10:48.240]belindaleon: And folks would drive over to every day and say, what is your purpose, and we would get emails to our mark address and folks to say you have actually
- [00:10:56.610]belindaleon: Made me think about what I'm doing in my life. Every day I drive into school to teach or I'm going to a facility to work with individuals and you really make me value. The purpose of what I'm doing.
- [00:11:07.380]belindaleon: The state that sometimes, you know, you go through, you're doing something just to the motions, but you everyone does have purpose and movement in their world. And so that was all sort of affirmations that we got to understand that words that you live by that you see every day were important.
- [00:11:22.620]belindaleon: So we took another approach to this and let's have a little fun and Wednesday. So we took four quadrants of our city of Rochester. And we thought let's make it a huge Monopoly board.
- [00:11:33.630]belindaleon: And so we painted these, you know, as you can see here, electric company and you know chance Avenue and we took the street names that were there that people talked about because
- [00:11:43.380]belindaleon: In working in communities. We understood that people wanted to rip their streets, you know, people want to know.
- [00:11:48.720]belindaleon: That you represent their street so we would actually do this in their neighborhood and ask them, hey, which street you want we want Lex in an app.
- [00:11:55.320]belindaleon: Support it we want to do it. Yeah, what do I have up in a row. So you do with the people ask, because they're going to appreciate it and admired.
- [00:12:03.450]belindaleon: Which MOVES US FORWARD TO A bit more permanency we move toward corner stores.
- [00:12:09.930]belindaleon: In it all the all the signs are taken down. But there were more signs on here that you know the advertised Cooley beer.
- [00:12:15.450]belindaleon: And cigarettes abt all the things you know, don't get me wrong i'm not not going to end that I like to
- [00:12:20.640]belindaleon: I don't smoke but I used to smoke, but I like to smoke and drink and eat chicken wings and whatever and and play a lot of like all the rest of I
- [00:12:27.840]belindaleon: Like to ride the wave of life, but we realize that these words to live by. And these corner stores of these bodegas or use it across from a corner store. And if a corner store has you there.
- [00:12:39.240]belindaleon: Excuse me across them a bus stop.
- [00:12:41.100]belindaleon: And you're using waiting for a bus for about 15 minutes and if it can deliver this message to you if advertisers can deliver this message to you, then why we can't. We send a message of promise of something of hope.
- [00:12:53.130]belindaleon: to overpower the messaging of advertisers. So this is one of our first project.
- [00:12:58.050]belindaleon: That we did a group and going into a store and letting people know you can. So as they wait at the bus that we wanted to let folks know that you can do something you can be who you want to be, you can achieve those goals that which you want to achieve in life.
- [00:13:14.490]belindaleon: Which then brings us to this slide, which is going to take a sip of my water brings us to the football project.
- [00:13:21.840]belindaleon: Which I adopted that you can because I felt okay if I could paint some buildings in some storefronts we can we can take on a bigger message, I believe.
- [00:13:31.140]belindaleon: And so what I did was working with a group and with green topia we took two stores. This one is a college pub beverage. This is a huge building they've been making crafts sodas there.
- [00:13:44.160]belindaleon: For close to 98 years and that same location and across the street. It is a an apartment building slash you know Bodega store with it sells you know hot food and deli meats and various other things.
- [00:13:57.870]belindaleon: Now I have to give you a bit of context about the neighborhood. Now in 2013 2013 and 2012
- [00:14:05.850]belindaleon: This street actually Orange Street. The next three on the opposite side of this building was considered the seventh most dangerous neighborhood in America.
- [00:14:13.680]belindaleon: And so, tackling this connection this corner, they remove the traffic light because drug activity activity was so heavy. When track when the light is red. They had to take it out to people just pass through.
- [00:14:23.610]belindaleon: So I thought, okay, can, can, can, can art be a tipping point. And I was actually inspired by Philly painting project by Hans and hot
- [00:14:32.340]belindaleon: In Philadelphia to actually take this on they lived in the neighborhood hired young people from the neighborhood and spent two years actually shaping that neighborhood, which did create an economic term in the community.
- [00:14:44.430]belindaleon: And so I hired five young people from the neighborhood, all except for one young man who was very persistent and I will tell you more about his story, you will find more about him as we go along.
- [00:14:54.030]belindaleon: And he would, he would Facebook me and Instagram me and all these things. And so I was like you know what your determination. I'm going to give you the job.
- [00:15:02.010]belindaleon: So we move forward. I promise. People. I'm going to paint these buildings, but I have no paint so
- [00:15:07.500]belindaleon: Fortunately Sherwin Williams comes on board and says, hey, will support this project. If you see the people in the white t shirts that is who that is.
- [00:15:15.090]belindaleon: And I'm like, Okay, that's going to work and we can do something to make something happen so I had to make a media.
- [00:15:20.970]belindaleon: blitz. So I'm on the news networks. I'm on TV. I'm on radio. I'm telling people to come out and help this neighborhood telling them the same story. I'm telling you.
- [00:15:28.530]belindaleon: That we could make an investment can art in Canada power of people create a tipping point, can it change the neighborhood.
- [00:15:35.610]belindaleon: And so on the day of you can tell it's quite cloudy. I put the call out. I said, folks, you can come on out and help me paint. It was kind of rainy that morning, so I didn't think anyone's going to show up. But lo and behold, nine o'clock.
- [00:15:47.880]belindaleon: Some of the troops from Sherwin Williams come marching around the corner to start this project.
- [00:15:52.680]belindaleon: And I have to tell the story. One of the guys came with a bulletproof vest on. Because was paranoid or scary is quite a good show.
- [00:15:59.640]belindaleon: I'm like dude. All right. It's not that bad. YOU HAVE TO WEAR A BULLETPROOF VEST. But as you can see I needed parts and pieces to make this happen.
- [00:16:07.740]belindaleon: So called upon our local soccer team who stadium was right down the road.
- [00:16:12.480]belindaleon: I caught up on the fire department. I call them the police to show up and show their support for this project. You've got to show you invested in this community. I call community members out. We got quotes from the community that would be on this building.
- [00:16:24.600]belindaleon: And so you can see these are the actual volunteers of young ladies. At this time there was actually a documentary as well being shot about this project is called confronting the wall and it's about how do we do community engagement.
- [00:16:37.620]belindaleon: Through our end can art actually be a tipping point in a community.
- [00:16:42.720]belindaleon: And here we are here. We were on one the news. It's all the things to try and make things happen and look at their lo and behold,
- [00:16:48.300]belindaleon: Police officers came to paint on the wall. I was like, I have to get your photograph, because it shows that sometimes there is a divide
- [00:16:55.830]belindaleon: Between the people, but if you're willing to step forward and connect and show that you care. People are willing to step forward.
- [00:17:02.280]belindaleon: And accept your caring and to care for you. And so it was a great moment to have these officers out here, engage in this painting.
- [00:17:09.000]belindaleon: And here it is here. There's a soccer team. I'm talking about. They brought out their their their Rhino with a rhinoceros. And he's hanging out there having a blast.
- [00:17:16.950]belindaleon: And it just, it was I tried to create a fun event.
- [00:17:20.430]belindaleon: And that okay from years ago. That's actually my granddaughter. I just wanted to put that in there because that's a long time ago she sold person just painting, either by herself. She was like four years old. I just like that picture that's me being selfish.
- [00:17:32.940]belindaleon: But I had everyone painted these multi colored squares, which I should explain the colors were connecting to it called the football project because it's street names. We have great
- [00:17:42.540]belindaleon: Orange Line maple all these other so I wanted the color Bassett to connect in coincide with the names along the street and actually connect to some of the flavors that are produced inside
- [00:17:53.370]belindaleon: Of college club beverage where they produce a seltzer and some of the fruits and vegetables that were being served for the first time that neighborhood at the grocery store.
- [00:18:02.010]belindaleon: This is, this is not the man this is this is a friend of mine, his son, but there was one day this kid was skateboarding by if you ever see the
- [00:18:11.160]belindaleon: Documentary or can't, you can't just on zoom quest, whatever. I can't remember some collegiate connected. I'll have to send it to you and you you can you can watch it for free. If you're a college person.
- [00:18:21.600]belindaleon: But this this young guy goes by on a skateboard and his name is Louise and we say Lewis. He's like need sports where it's like, hey, what would you say to your community.
- [00:18:30.750]belindaleon: He would say, pray for my community, and as well above there was Victor, we as Victor, what do you want to say give life to the community. You guys have given life.
- [00:18:38.040]belindaleon: So we put these big words on here from Elisa says, Pray, and it was a great moment. And we're like, all right, we accomplished what we paid it on there.
- [00:18:46.440]belindaleon: And this is the first time I ever experienced vandalism on a piece that I did somebody actually vandalize this piece of with Luis his name on it.
- [00:18:54.840]belindaleon: And lo and behold, it was Louis's signature.
- [00:18:58.230]belindaleon: He wanted to sign the wall himself, since it was his quote. So we said, please feel free, we will make sure that you get much credit for what it was. And these are people who are actually moving two or three doors down
- [00:19:09.150]belindaleon: From where this is because once one of the things I believe it is that once you leave the place
- [00:19:14.520]belindaleon: It's not so much about how cool you make it what you do. It's about the voices that remained in the voices that are there, the voices that are actually connected to the project.
- [00:19:23.880]belindaleon: And there I'm yelling at people looks like on a chop this girl over the head and she's doing like a backflip but
- [00:19:29.280]belindaleon: There's some of us that are actually working in painting things I'm giving some direction.
- [00:19:33.570]belindaleon: Leaving them along. I also have this method called teach each one teach one
- [00:19:37.890]belindaleon: So if I have a volunteer. I teach that one volunteer, how to do something and I and I say, you know what, now, now, now that I've shown you how to do this. I'm walking away.
- [00:19:46.650]belindaleon: So if anyone comes up and asks, What should I be doing. I want you to teach them how to do that.
- [00:19:51.210]belindaleon: It creates a whole new level of connection and ownership. So this was actually my assistant DJ showing these folks what to do.
- [00:19:57.570]belindaleon: So, once he shows them how you lay out the triangles. He's going to step away and if someone walks up,
- [00:20:02.310]belindaleon: And wants to learn what to do. They teach each other. So they actually become their own artists commune and each group that they're working and creating work.
- [00:20:09.600]belindaleon: It creates a greater bond and connection. All these people here are connected. And they're actually having a conversation
- [00:20:15.270]belindaleon: It's a great thing because you're doing something like filling in you know black or purple and you can actually talk about life and talk about what's going on around you. So it's a great way to get strangers.
- [00:20:23.880]belindaleon: To have a sense of dialogue and connection. We also had a food truck come there. It was the first time a food truck at ever been in the neighborhood.
- [00:20:31.080]belindaleon: Calling a friend of mine, Cameron, if he could bring his daily refresher trucking. He's like, Oh, it's, it's, I gotta put it on a hitch and I need a truck.
- [00:20:39.270]belindaleon: And I was like, oh, that's okay dude. He's like, Wait a minute, wait a minute. It's okay.
- [00:20:42.240]belindaleon: So he calls the bank. He said, man, I just bought a new truck, just to help out. So I can pull this thing over here and make it happen. So it was one of the great things where you had to call upon community and make it happen.
- [00:20:50.940]belindaleon: And it's a great experience and everyone's really connected. So you are folks that are pouring out paint great volunteers.
- [00:20:58.530]belindaleon: There. This is me pulling up painting. I got tired of pouring out paint, because I'm running around and you see there's a bunch of volunteers with the Sherwin Williams shirts on. So I asked.
- [00:21:07.890]belindaleon: In the far excuse me in the front. That would be my assistant DJ and and to behind him is a young man that I hired who I didn't want to hire
- [00:21:17.160]belindaleon: Who actually later on in life became what I call him my son, and he actually has superseded anything which I have ever taught him, and I'm very proud of him. He from he fought for that position and
- [00:21:28.290]belindaleon: He does great things now works for colossal media painting those large murals in New York City. So he's he's an awesome guy but you learned
- [00:21:35.700]belindaleon: Some of the things that we've learned here. He's a great young man, I just have to just give a shout out to him. I don't know if he's listening, but I love you, kid.
- [00:21:44.760]belindaleon: And so this is one of the finished products here that we did, you know, and these are actually quotes from the people
- [00:21:51.210]belindaleon: There is in the in the lower left, there was a smash somebody hit the building. They were drunk driving and hit the building but it says
- [00:21:57.960]belindaleon: Good Things don't come easy and this was Sam. This was there. This was Lou and Joe's a Lewis talk like this, the sons of Sam.
- [00:22:06.720]belindaleon: And they wanted a quote from their dad because they understood the good things don't come easy easy and we got a quote in Spanish and you know say i will i can these all actually came from people live and work in this area and we wanted their words to be
- [00:22:22.440]belindaleon: The ones that they see every day. And yes, there is a bus stop it in front of the trashcan. You can see there's a bench. That's where people sit
- [00:22:27.840]belindaleon: So we wanted people to be inspired and move forward and think about things that can be going on. Oh, and we also made a seltzer because of that.
- [00:22:35.430]belindaleon: Working with Lou and Joe We felt. What else can art do and so I open my mouth a lot and so I'm like, that'd be great if we had a cell. So, so we created a
- [00:22:43.410]belindaleon: Fruit belt seltzer would actually its proceeds went to supporting the school right up the street for their garden club where we created a garden, which I know nothing about gardening.
- [00:22:52.200]belindaleon: But we planted fruit trees. So we could feed people. So art was about what else can you do to actually better
- [00:22:58.080]belindaleon: Community and from this football project we were off to Brazil. So I took some young folks to Brazil to actually create some artwork and I was working with the talented and amazing editor Muniz I his picture will show up to paint this wall in Brazil 300 yards of wall.
- [00:23:16.350]belindaleon: And so there is no he's pointing the finger point. And that's reported behind me. That's an immune is fantastic artist great friend. We've, we've done a couple of pieces together. It's phenomenal.
- [00:23:25.980]belindaleon: To work with him. So in planning this we set for to to do a community engagement. I don't even speak Portuguese I'm like how we're going to do this, but what
- [00:23:34.320]belindaleon: We're doing. We got to do. So I left it up to the master himself. And so he organized this sort of a mural Festival on the street. And so we worked with about eight other artists.
- [00:23:46.470]belindaleon: And the theme was based on K but Lisa, which I sort of came up with. But I had a
- [00:23:53.730]belindaleon: Different term. And he said, just take a believer. So it encapsulates which means all how beautiful it is encapsulate all seven artists so still based on the type. So you had to look at the type biography using words to live by.
- [00:24:06.300]belindaleon: In Brazil, so here it is. We started painting our wall blue
- [00:24:10.230]belindaleon: We get things going. And here we are all together gathered and we've got a team and we're just having that was one of the busiest streets, I'd ever been on in
- [00:24:18.240]belindaleon: My life. So we're all I hear all artists are actually doing it. We've got our food built T shirts on there with some of my assistants that are making things happen. Great, fantastic work there.
- [00:24:26.880]belindaleon: Is also part of the documentary as well. And this is, I have to talk about this story. I did get some folks who wanted to paint and this is young, Benjamin
- [00:24:35.610]belindaleon: Benjamin came up with his dad and his dad spokes some English. And he was like, can we paint. I was like, sure. And I'm trying to
- [00:24:44.760]belindaleon: Speak to Benjamin. He does it didn't speak any English and I'm trying to demonstrate how do you dip your brush and I can't
- [00:24:50.550]belindaleon: Without dripping paint all over the place and you have to wipe it off. So I try to use major expressions, but it was a great experience to paint alongside this young man.
- [00:24:59.790]belindaleon: In Brazil, now he actually has a stake of something that's in his neighborhood that he actually made he made so also beautiful in his own neighborhood, and it was it was a pleasure to stand.
- [00:25:10.740]belindaleon: Next to young Benjamin and make that happen. And from time to time I do chime in with his dad and his son is really much engaged in the arts and follows a lot of the graph artists and Salvador Brazil.
- [00:25:23.400]belindaleon: There we go with getting capabilities, how beautiful it is. And this is a bad panel of what that what that while it looks like. But that's where it is.
- [00:25:32.550]belindaleon: It was a great experience to work with so many great people and Salvador. Which brings us back to the US and community engagement. I was working on a school. It's now called Anna Marie Douglass Academy
- [00:25:48.540]belindaleon: I don't know if you folks are familiar with Frederick Douglass. But if you're not, I recommend you you find out more about Frederick Douglass great abolitionists orator.
- [00:25:56.550]belindaleon: A self taught educated, well educated gentlemen and so
- [00:26:01.080]belindaleon: One. Not one day that doesn't, it doesn't happen like one day, I thought it was really, I wanted to do something to pay homage to Douglass home the school actually sits where his home was
- [00:26:11.160]belindaleon: In Rochester, where he was burnt out of and he's actually buried in Rochester. He felt like his actual home was in Rochester, New York.
- [00:26:18.120]belindaleon: So once again we plan this painting day. So there's all these sides it wraps around the whole building and I don't have all of them here.
- [00:26:24.570]belindaleon: But I had to lay all this out and I put a call out to community. Once again, that's the Sherwin Williams support a project, I have to give them a shout up
- [00:26:30.870]belindaleon: And I said, community members come out and paint. I don't care about your skill set your skill level you're going to make this happen. Let's actually pay homage to
- [00:26:39.000]belindaleon: Frederick Douglass once again just outlined, I put it out there and when I'm doing a community arts project. I don't know if I'm going to have
- [00:26:46.530]belindaleon: Just me doing everything or if I'm going to have 100 people. So I always plan for just me doing everything and
- [00:26:53.790]belindaleon: As you can tell they're there. This is just one side, there are actually people working on the other side. And there's actually people working on another side and there's people working on another side. So I'm literally just running around.
- [00:27:04.980]belindaleon: Making sure that everyone's okay but once again it goes well, this is my or this what you're looking at right here is organized confusion.
- [00:27:12.840]belindaleon: I laid it out. I tell one person within an area, how to do it and they make it happen like what they're doing on the ground is they're actually paying a portrait.
- [00:27:20.340]belindaleon: Of Frederick Douglass on the ground and it was connected to the Underground Railroad working with their second graders, because the pond is still there.
- [00:27:27.630]belindaleon: In the area that his kids would have gone to, and where they would have ushered through people seeking freedom. So we created things that written upon we put dragon fries.
- [00:27:36.060]belindaleon: Frogs and logs and so we created intuitive play. So when kids come out of school. They can run along the logs that can jump from a lily pad that can jump on a dragon fly creating this intuitive play
- [00:27:46.410]belindaleon: But I told the people in this group. This is what you're creating go ahead and make it. And so they take it upon themselves. And once again, each one teaches one another and so from this
- [00:27:57.840]belindaleon: You get this
- [00:28:00.300]belindaleon: From that you get this people actually just going in and creating
- [00:28:07.740]belindaleon: And making it happen. So it's always a good feeling when you can get people engaged in what's going on. That was what they were painting. I shall always feel
- [00:28:15.660]belindaleon: More at home. Then I always feel more at home than Rochester than any place in the country, and there is Douglass portrait on the ground that you can only see if you do a Google Map and looking from it.
- [00:28:26.820]belindaleon: And it's once again intuitive play to jump and lead you throughout. And this was actually part of the once again listening to communities concepts came from second graders to actually make this happen and
- [00:28:38.580]belindaleon: It's just you gotta pull it off and the painting came from the community so
- [00:28:42.870]belindaleon: Still to this day, people come to me and say, Man, I really enjoyed that painting. I really enjoyed what we did in that community to make things happen. And I also like to incorporate other artists. If I, if I can.
- [00:28:52.560]belindaleon: Local graph artists in the back from for our crew range great artists. I said, bro. Let's do something. Let's rock together.
- [00:28:59.130]belindaleon: Can't be just what I do, let's let's let's build together. And there's an Douglas impersonator their friend of mine, Carlos who comes out.
- [00:29:06.900]belindaleon: And also work with another mic delirious. He does great week pace.
- [00:29:12.270]belindaleon: I said, come up and paste up bro. And so we did this great portrait of Doug was holding this love side that is actually my body and you just stuck Douglas his head on top of it.
- [00:29:21.870]belindaleon: Which I was honored to have a snack my shot at a gallery openings and I have a sticky Douglass head on there.
- [00:29:28.260]belindaleon: But I think when I'm creating I want to work with the community and I want to work with the local artists that are in that area. Once again, I did that in Brazil. I do that.
- [00:29:35.760]belindaleon: Did that in Poland, I'm doing this here in Rochester, how do I connect with the local people that are creating
- [00:29:41.550]belindaleon: Here we are. And there's he from either the blue shirt and he's actually instructing these young people how to actually fill in letters to create this this these words to live by. And behind the school.
- [00:29:54.180]belindaleon: Which brings us to a
- [00:29:56.670]belindaleon: Fort Wayne, Indiana.
- [00:29:58.860]belindaleon: Painting this view, and now power of this was once again being engaged with the community and being engaged with local artists.
- [00:30:07.020]belindaleon: And there's the other end of it right there.
- [00:30:10.320]belindaleon: how this came about was, I literally opened it up to the community. Like you just saw at
- [00:30:15.120]belindaleon: The annamarie Douglas and said, Hey folks, you're going to come out and pay. So during the daytime. I had a crew during the afternoon. I had a crew during the evening, I had a crew.
- [00:30:23.790]belindaleon: And so people came out and these are complete strangers. Once again, and they're having a conversation. They're not prepared to paint. No one's wearing any painting clothes.
- [00:30:32.820]belindaleon: If it takes 510 minutes or some people spend 20 minutes I allow them to do that. I want them to be engaged and connected in the process of art making so they own it.
- [00:30:43.170]belindaleon: And once again, it's not about oh yeah I had to show them. I actually created this
- [00:30:46.890]belindaleon: It's a water resistant part of the mural. So all it only shows up when it rains. So these flowers shoot up but you only see
- [00:30:53.040]belindaleon: The, the flowers when it rains because the concrete changes the different color it resists the water. So I had to. It was just fun having a square and showing it to folks.
- [00:31:01.740]belindaleon: And so here we go ahead and young people from the Boys and Girls Club. I like
- [00:31:06.720]belindaleon: It went well into the evening. Here we go. Here's a young guy. He's helping me out and make these these words moms, so they can pay those like hell yea.
- [00:31:14.190]belindaleon: Come on, at bay. And so here we are. There's just folks organized confusion. You know, sometimes you just have to let it go. You have to let the flow be what it's going to flow. You know what the end product is
- [00:31:24.510]belindaleon: But you may not know how to get there. So, let it be so I let people and engage and have a good time and they were drinking. So drinking Peyton and sometimes not the best thing, but it gets done.
- [00:31:34.770]belindaleon: And here they are once again just really work and really in depth in wanting to get this piece connected. Here's your seat.
- [00:31:42.510]belindaleon: Cod. Cod is he's a local artists in town.
- [00:31:46.710]belindaleon: When we connected. I was like, yo, bro. You got to put a piece of you got to be part of this. You got to help create because this is this is your, this is your city. I'm not here to repeat in your world. I want you to be here. Here's Jeremy, who was an assistant of mine.
- [00:31:58.590]belindaleon: And he had always wanted to do a mural. He's done smaller pieces. So I said, He's always applied to the local you know
- [00:32:07.050]belindaleon: Art. This way mural calling. I said, Yo, you want to do a miracle. I told him I'm going to give you 10 feet of space.
- [00:32:13.710]belindaleon: And eight feet high of of height you create whatever you want. So now they can never say you haven't done a mural.
- [00:32:20.760]belindaleon: Do it and he did his own piece in his own mural and now he's actually doing more murals in Fort Wayne because he actually has the proof. Once again, connecting with people, letting them on what's going on, what's happening.
- [00:32:31.770]belindaleon: What is this here. Oh, this is a this is a quick of zip through it. It's like a little video of it that plane, it might be playing because that playing will skip
- [00:32:40.530]belindaleon: All right, I'm gonna go ahead as it brings a community.
- [00:32:44.820]belindaleon: I had an idea of a friend of mine, Richard Glaser myself had an idea of painting a crosswalk with piano keys.
- [00:32:51.900]belindaleon: We met heavy resistance from an institution that resides right on the corner. They didn't want us to close off the street and worried about the paint in the streets like you don't own the street, the city on the street. What is your problem. What's your issue.
- [00:33:05.820]belindaleon: But we persevered. We told them, You know, we've got to get this done. And, you know, major funders are in this and they're going to pull out who actually support you so you got to support it. So they did.
- [00:33:16.620]belindaleon: And what you see her as a young man. Once again, I'm not over his shoulder. I am not there. He knows what to do.
- [00:33:22.770]belindaleon: He knows what to do because once again, I take the organized confusion I take the each one teach one and people will roll on their own here is actually the finished product from what was done.
- [00:33:32.790]belindaleon: People didn't want anything to do with it was actually during our international Jazz Festival and it brought attention to the Jazz Festival and the building on the
- [00:33:40.380]belindaleon: To the left, that is the Eastman Theatre, which is second to Juilliard. And they really didn't want to have anything to do with it. But once they saw it done like oh wow that's that's pretty cool.
- [00:33:50.550]belindaleon: And so here are folks that are actual strangers never met him I said hey you fill this blue you do this you teach each person and it got done. So there were actually people there that were from
- [00:34:02.940]belindaleon: Four to 84 that were painting on the ground.
- [00:34:07.530]belindaleon: On this warm summer day to make things happen. And a friend of mine thought it was so cool that it was going on. He called up a jazz band from the high school and they were playing jazz while painting.
- [00:34:17.550]belindaleon: On the street, which I thought was pretty awesome. And here I am on top of the ladder giving a thumbs up not knowing what the hell's going on but
- [00:34:25.470]belindaleon: I'm just like all in supportive. It's something's happening. Something's happening. You see everyone's in their own
- [00:34:30.810]belindaleon: creating their own piece and I feel as if you give people that ability to work and create their own piece, they will do an excellent job when I give someone a role and they've been working on a wall for 30 minutes
- [00:34:42.840]belindaleon: 40 minutes and they say, you know what I think the color of this pedal or the color of this triangle should be purple. I actually trust their decision.
- [00:34:51.120]belindaleon: Because they've been working in that space for that long, they understand it more than I've actually painted or looked at it, so I will take their suggestion and I say,
- [00:34:59.820]belindaleon: I trust you. Go ahead and painted purple or make it green or whatever it needs to be. And here we go in the back into the Jasmine actually plan and
- [00:35:09.030]belindaleon: Once again, just everyone just they know what to do and they make it happen. And there I am like oh good, I don't know what you're going on but
- [00:35:17.700]belindaleon: You try to make it happen. And then the institution and everyone else caught got on board. Once the Washington Post picked it up.
- [00:35:25.170]belindaleon: About complete strangers. Strangers coming together to create harmony. So it was one of the things were before they didn't want anything to do with it. And then it was the
- [00:35:32.970]belindaleon: Greatest thing since sliced bread and ended up in their promotional materials and on their websites and on all the things
- [00:35:40.050]belindaleon: I'll also the ballet decided to do things. It became actually a great place for people to gather in place making this is one of the things I started to discover you can create place by using people to create the place
- [00:35:52.770]belindaleon: And connecting people to the place and they will return people came back out to dance on it takes seeing your photos music videos all the things
- [00:35:59.220]belindaleon: On this panel crosswalk. This is it. Now, I thought it'd be good to show it because it shows that it's a bit worn
- [00:36:06.150]belindaleon: A year or so later. A year later, it's worn as all of us are. We're all a little worn, it's been it's been it's been a rough 2020
- [00:36:13.200]belindaleon: I thought this was quite symbolic of of the promise and hope of of last year and now how wrong. Just a little worn away and but we're still we're still we're still holding on to what we think, or what we can do. Which brings me to Kovac times
- [00:36:30.150]belindaleon: We hit covert recording to everyone's isolated.
- [00:36:35.070]belindaleon: There's a pandemic. How does, how does public art play a role. What, what, what can I do, what, how can you help in a pan debit. What do you do
- [00:36:43.740]belindaleon: So my city came to me and asked me, what can you do something about this. I'm like art wise. I'm not sure.
- [00:36:50.970]belindaleon: But we realized that, you know, most folks that were affected were people of color in lower economic
- [00:36:59.430]belindaleon: areas of town, and they're not necessarily listening to Dr. Felt you're watching the news or doing all those other things. So, there had to be a way to reach those folks.
- [00:37:08.400]belindaleon: And so I came up with the idea of using street art to engage with people to go where the people are to get the messages there but not tuning into the
- [00:37:16.620]belindaleon: The TV to hear that. So you've got to go with the people are so I went mask with some stencils of words and skeletons and my respirator. And I went, hitting the streets.
- [00:37:29.790]belindaleon: Here's some photos. It was my campaign that I created was was called six feet apart or six feet under.
- [00:37:35.910]belindaleon: And I would go to where people gather. So this is actually a spot right next to our transit center where buses Portland and there it's right across from a housing.
- [00:37:46.080]belindaleon: Project, where there are mostly people who are very low income or disabled and so they still gather on that yellow pole. They sit on that yellow pole. So I felt. Here's an area where I need to tell people are not who may not know the effects of Kobe.
- [00:38:00.300]belindaleon: What's going on in their world. So there's this good the skeleton.
- [00:38:04.680]belindaleon: Stencil rolled over and I use this as our city of Rochester logo and I put that in the heart of each one so that everyone would know we're all connected by heart in this city, we have to move forward.
- [00:38:14.040]belindaleon: In this coven as you can tell, I'm spraying there. And as you can tell there's people sitting
- [00:38:18.390]belindaleon: Sitting on the the pole, this, this guy came over in the wheelchair, just to watch it happen people came together, like, Hey, can I help you out. And it was one of those moments where
- [00:38:27.120]belindaleon: The public art to them out. But you can actually give them information and facts about what was going on with with the coven
- [00:38:35.310]belindaleon: In the community. And so I was able to actually have a conversation and relay that information that folks might not have actually had because they were curious about the street art that was happening.
- [00:38:45.870]belindaleon: In their neighborhood right in front of their outside of their windows.
- [00:38:50.430]belindaleon: And other parts of the neighborhood other neighborhoods. I would actually create this sort of a shrine six feet of part of six feet under.
- [00:38:58.380]belindaleon: Some people may know about this and some people might not. But sometimes when when people get killed in the hood.
- [00:39:03.510]belindaleon: They tend to line up some Remy bottles and whatever else you would train. Can you put some flowers and and some balloons, some teddy bears have some candles, so
- [00:39:10.170]belindaleon: I wanted to connect that to a death on the street. So really, be aware of what you're doing. Be aware of your grandma that she may be really very sick and be careful and mascot, and take care of yourself.
- [00:39:21.900]belindaleon: Which I created also these protect your circle I created these week pace and I turned them into coloring books as well so that they can be distributed coloring pages so they can go into
- [00:39:30.960]belindaleon: Local Bodega is and corner store so kids can actually call it them and hang them up in their homes so that it would be okay and cool to wear a face covering kind of based on the true. A lot of inspiration from candy, while the
- [00:39:44.460]belindaleon: Person I really admire and I would put these on traffic boxes or on the sides of buildings where people gather so they would know to actually
- [00:39:54.150]belindaleon: Protect your circle and wear a mask and this is an extra far away shot of what I would spray on the ground in both English and Spanish of protecting your circle. And let's see if this will play. We actually made a little short video
- [00:40:38.700]belindaleon: I didn't know if you noticed, but in the height of a pandemic there. People were all hanging out there. Hey, smoke and drink it. There was like a
- [00:40:45.120]belindaleon: You caught the dirt bike gangs ever rolled through the city. This is what was going on at the height of a pandemic. So that's why it was important to go where the people were
- [00:40:55.290]belindaleon: Then we had our the rise again of Black Lives Matter and understanding of what was going on and the census killing of of black people here in America.
- [00:41:06.900]belindaleon: And this during a pandemic just just just hit me hard and
- [00:41:11.910]belindaleon: As an artist as a creator. I wanted to do something, but I didn't want to create something that was you know so happy go lucky or so you know whatever I needed to do something.
- [00:41:21.780]belindaleon: To get a message out. But it couldn't be a bit about me. I felt it needed to be about the people away for the people to do this. So a friend of mine quasi actually posted this in his Twitter feed and I saw it. I said, this is what it is I
- [00:41:33.120]belindaleon: Think I've had enough. And so I said, I'm going to paint this, but there has to be a way for the people to connect to this enough.
- [00:41:42.270]belindaleon: And so what I did was I painted the words enough on the wall above it, it says black lives matter.
- [00:41:49.020]belindaleon: And I put different shades of brown to represent the many shades of my people.
- [00:41:54.360]belindaleon: Of brown people and I left it up there as a chalkboard and I, as I told people what is it that you've had enough of
- [00:42:02.190]belindaleon: Have you've had enough police brutality. Have you had enough of discrimination sexism. Have you had enough or is there enough love to give. Is there enough money to feed everyone in the world. What is it that you feel is enough.
- [00:42:13.980]belindaleon: And, you know, lo and behold, hours, not even hours maybe an hour and a half later, this is what I walk up to and see that people had been
- [00:42:22.830]belindaleon: Engaged and giving the message and saying what they felt we all had been quarantined. We all had been locked up. We all were angry and we needed to voice, what was inside and we needed to connect with one another, which led me to this park.
- [00:42:42.810]belindaleon: After I did the the covert the everyone started doing the painting the streets with Black Lives Matter and the city came to me and asked me.
- [00:42:51.270]belindaleon: Can you paint with black lives matter on the street. I said, Yes, I can. But I have to do more. There has to be more I realized from enough that community wants to have
- [00:42:59.550]belindaleon: A say they want to have a voice. And so this this this great park that you're looking at right here used to have a fountain that would flow.
- [00:43:06.540]belindaleon: Many years ago and concerts and various of things. What happened in there.
- [00:43:10.470]belindaleon: And so this is where a lot of our protests were happening on the ground. There's a grassy area that you can't see from here.
- [00:43:15.900]belindaleon: And so I felt, you know, a protest is arts based it is you know if there's chanting, they're singing There's marching
- [00:43:23.370]belindaleon: There's dancing. There's poems that your protest signs are artistically driven. So when that energy is there. It's a high high amount of energy, but once those people leave and dissipate and leave the area. How do you keep that energy alive.
- [00:43:36.150]belindaleon: And so I felt in order to give people a voice. The best thing to do would be to take this this amphitheater. You know, and paint this amphitheater black
- [00:43:47.130]belindaleon: To amplify the voices, so that people can leave messages that as you can see in this picture. People had already started up sticking up things
- [00:43:53.790]belindaleon: So I put a call out to the community. I'm like, Hey, let's paint this place black and so folks came out and they started rolling up given role is, once again, supported by Sherwin Williams. There was a lot of black paint.
- [00:44:06.630]belindaleon: Tell you that it was a lot of black paint. It's 100 gallons on the wall and 100 gallons on the ground.
- [00:44:15.360]belindaleon: To cover this space and I have to give a shout out to my black women out there that came to help me. It was it was majority of black women came to help and brought the children and grandchildren and wanted to come out and paint this wall.
- [00:44:28.890]belindaleon: They didn't fully understand what this would be. Nor did I have to say, honestly, nor did I understand fully what this what this would be. But they were engaged and then made it happen. So over two days we were out there. And this is what happened after I put chalk out a basket of chalk.
- [00:44:45.270]belindaleon: And in a day and a half. This is what became of the space, you could see the. You can see the drive, you can see the pain. You can see what people want to say it's a you're immersed.
- [00:44:57.030]belindaleon: In people's words in their thoughts.
- [00:45:00.240]belindaleon: It's organized confusion. It's like the world. There's so many voices are so many streams are so many things going on. But if you can take a moment and focus in on one
- [00:45:09.450]belindaleon: Or two in your time and find your connection, you will find that connection with folks. So this has actually become a
- [00:45:16.380]belindaleon: Connection spot for people one young man told me he was actually going there to write, you know, black lives matter on the wall.
- [00:45:22.650]belindaleon: And there was another person writing all lives matter on the wall. And so he was like they had, they had their disagreements. So they had their point to
- [00:45:30.090]belindaleon: Disagree. But walk away. But this is what became the space when that happened, oh, I think this is a video here. I should know these things. So I'll show you. Just to quickly what it looks like.
- [00:45:40.200]belindaleon: The next day when folks had access to the truck and the ability to express themselves, their, their ability to exhale
- [00:45:51.090]belindaleon: Before we're saying we can't breathe. So I felt it was best to give people that moment of that time that ability to exhale and say what you feel.
- [00:46:00.540]belindaleon: See what you feel that others feel and see what is there, you know, this is a space where sometimes people can't go to the rallies can't go to the galleries.
- [00:46:08.700]belindaleon: For the sake of health reasons for the sake of just transportation for the reasons of just maybe just fear. They don't want to go, but this
- [00:46:16.740]belindaleon: Was actually a space and a place which a friend of mine calls the people's place which it has taken on a whole nother role, which I didn't know it would do.
- [00:46:25.350]belindaleon: It is now the people's place. And so it's a place where people create messages and no one bothers them takes it takes away from them or or causes any disruption to them. So it's a great way for folks to get what is on the chest out
- [00:46:42.030]belindaleon: Sorry, here we just, okay, so one of the great things that did happen. There is this is one thing that happened there were so many great things. This is a summer reading list. So you can see these the summer reading list.
- [00:46:53.760]belindaleon: On the wall there was after this
- [00:46:56.820]belindaleon: This is a teacher to put that out to the students after this, this, some of the students actually put their names next to the summer reading list. So this is also about how do you communicate with your community emits a pandemic and from this summer reading list.
- [00:47:12.480]belindaleon: The local library said, hey, we're going to get those books and we're going to put them in to the Free Library. That's just up top of this amphitheater. I actually designed those two out of up cycled newspaper boxes and
- [00:47:25.410]belindaleon: They put them in there for people to take for free to create and connect with this reading list that was written.
- [00:47:30.990]belindaleon: On a wall that was from someone's voice to connect and bring people together. So this project brought me to a whole different way of of community engagement. How do you step away.
- [00:47:40.080]belindaleon: And let the community make the space that they want to be. I did put a piano in there as well, painted that black people did play it in a weather has worn on it, but it's still in the space.
- [00:47:50.850]belindaleon: And it's so this whole place is taken on a whole nother into this a whole nother thing where I got blocked.
- [00:47:56.070]belindaleon: I created stickers of the city. I have to explain this logo. So our city of Rochester has its own local the pedals sees five pedals. And what I did was I took out one of the pedals and put the Black Lives Matter fist in there.
- [00:48:07.500]belindaleon: It was blocked by Instagram and Facebook, and so I told folks and people were upset.
- [00:48:12.690]belindaleon: And I was bothered. So I said, you know, the hell with it. I'm going to paint on the wall so everyone can have access to it and photograph her stand in front of it or do whatever they want to do.
- [00:48:20.580]belindaleon: And from there I started producing you know stickers T shirts, various other things which which people have
- [00:48:25.020]belindaleon: Have bound together. It's a great thing when you have something that's that's internationally connected the black lives matter, but you have something that's particular to your city.
- [00:48:33.660]belindaleon: This is us. This is our fight here as we fight here we fight in the world. We fight in the nation. So people really adopted that as as a as a great symbol of our fight here in Rochester.
- [00:48:45.060]belindaleon: I've had many people asked me permission to get that tattooed on the body. Now, as far as art as activism. I felt
- [00:48:51.720]belindaleon: There were many riots. We run national news about what was going on. And I said, What can I do, so I decided to create some shields for folks so they wouldn't get pelted
- [00:49:00.510]belindaleon: By the pepper balls. And so how do you make art useful. How do you do something so I designed them based on Shaka Zulu tactic South African
- [00:49:10.830]belindaleon: A warrior and where you put the shields. Together they actually create a wall, so people can be protected from the pepper balls.
- [00:49:17.850]belindaleon: And I had many countless people asking for those online did a certain run. They were free for anyone to take, but people thought that they felt they were useful and people wanted them to protect themselves when they're being pelted
- [00:49:29.610]belindaleon: By the police.
- [00:49:31.980]belindaleon: And here's a, here's a shot of an event that just recently happened where it was called chocolate their names.
- [00:49:37.380]belindaleon: See, as you can see they've got a heat right there that piano still there.
- [00:49:40.380]belindaleon: They brought this this bus. It has a basketball hoop on it so they could shoot baskets. It's become a different space just based on the environment.
- [00:49:47.280]belindaleon: And another thing that has happened can art change of space. Yes, it has.
- [00:49:51.630]belindaleon: Not saying it was me. It was the people. The people have changed the space, but also the city.
- [00:49:56.310]belindaleon: Realize that people need to have access to this 24 hours a day. So they've actually added lighting so it's it's late at night. So you can actually enjoy this anytime of the day. One of the beautiful things about this is that
- [00:50:07.230]belindaleon: Every, every time it rains that that chocolate does wash away. But miraculously somehow. I don't know if it's
- [00:50:13.980]belindaleon: Tinkerbell the chalk. Very. I have no clue what it is.
- [00:50:16.560]belindaleon: But chalk always arises and there's always something on the wall. So this is the people space. This is it. I've been removed from the installation artists and this belongs to the people and I realized that public art can go to this level.
- [00:50:29.580]belindaleon: That everyone owns and everyone believes in it. Here is a school actually they send their
- [00:50:35.310]belindaleon: Students to understand what is going on because you you can't find it anywhere you can actually find it on the walls, you could find what people are saying so schools are using it to teach from
- [00:50:46.350]belindaleon: Which is a great thing. And this was once again this is the tail end of the most recent thing so
- [00:50:51.600]belindaleon: I'm a muralist that painted murals and it's a great thing to give. I didn't give this to anyone. I don't want to say that, but to
- [00:50:57.540]belindaleon: To have created some sort of platform for folks to create this mural here in this space where there wasn't a mural before and it's for the people for Daniel prove who was killed here in Rochester, and that's what we're on the prior
- [00:51:12.990]belindaleon: To all the other uprisings. It happened here and it was covered up and
- [00:51:18.570]belindaleon: This shows
- [00:51:20.970]belindaleon: How community connectedness and how you can actually build connections with people to create places for people that belong to the people and be who you are. Oh, sorry, one second. Go back.
- [00:51:36.300]belindaleon: All right. Gotcha. All right.
- [00:51:39.090]belindaleon: I am done rambling with five minutes of
- [00:51:45.390]belindaleon: Gas
- [00:51:47.610]belindaleon: Now I will open up for any questions. I hope you have no questions comments or concerns, because then I could have something to eat.
- [00:51:58.140]belindaleon: I can't hear you saying, Are you okay, I should I go, what should I
- [00:52:01.050]Sandra Williams: I i'm I'm sorry I was muted. That was like the quote of the year. Um,
- [00:52:07.050]Sandra Williams: But no, it's it's open for questions. Let me see if I can unmute people
- [00:52:12.600]belindaleon: I don't have any I'm cool with
- [00:52:15.090]belindaleon: That means I don't have to think
- [00:52:17.640]belindaleon: And I hope no one fell asleep on me so I can, I can ramble for a moment, but Ron Goldman
- [00:52:23.640]Sandra Williams: I don't think anyone would fall asleep.
- [00:52:25.680]belindaleon: I watch you.
- [00:52:26.820]Okay.
- [00:52:28.380]belindaleon: Last you take a nap. And I got that.
- [00:52:32.550]belindaleon: You act like to pay attention.
- [00:52:36.510]belindaleon: Thank you to everyone.
- [00:52:38.130]belindaleon: I appreciate you taking this time, this, this, this hour out of your life, which could have been doing other things like making s'mores or something. I want to say thank you to everyone. I appreciate you will go with
- [00:52:50.070]belindaleon: I appreciate you and to you three that I can see a Jeffrey
- [00:52:55.320]belindaleon: Emma and
- [00:52:57.090]Sandra Williams: If you click. If you click on gallery, then you can see everyone. Well, I
- [00:53:01.500]belindaleon: Can see everyone will they probably won't have that picture. They probably got, you know, like a, oh, there's a couple of things. Somebody had a wine glass. What is that, oh hey what's going on.
- [00:53:09.630]belindaleon: That's okay to have a wine glass. You don't know what I'm bringing in this cup. That's all right.
- [00:53:13.140]belindaleon: All right, I'm looking at these folks. Hi, how you doing Cordell. How you doing, I don't know. You don't have a lead name their alley. How you doing, Danny. Are you doing you don't have a name Abby.
- [00:53:24.720]belindaleon: Elizabeth, how you doing buyer and how you doing Rosalie. How you doing, I don't know who that is. You don't have a name. A queries Clary sounds like a
- [00:53:34.620]belindaleon: Sounds a little of you folks. Whoever's got the Jordan scribbles what's up. I like that, man. You want quite a I love this kitty cat Julia. Am I saying that right. I hope I am
- [00:53:47.850]belindaleon: And who is Ash ash with the with the ball. I like that. That's cool. And Patrice is that your hair color. That's awesome. Thank you. Thank you, folks. I appreciate you taking the time out of this evening, once again, to
- [00:54:06.750]belindaleon: entertain me. I guess I have fun. Oh, there's your name. Now it's it's how you doing,
- [00:54:13.920]belindaleon: Brandi How you doing, hey,
- [00:54:17.850]belindaleon: Isaiah.
- [00:54:20.610]belindaleon: I said that and
- [00:54:23.370]belindaleon: Maya that my. All right, got it. I see it there. That's awesome. Cheers to all of you. Cheers. All of us, I take a quick shot.
- [00:54:33.060]Thanks.
- [00:54:34.590]Sandra Williams: For
- [00:54:35.010]Sandra Williams: Joining us Sean and 189 ah, folks, we're going to have Sean tomorrow in class. I bought us some paint markers I researched printing stickers on move. We're locked and ready to go.
- [00:54:49.500]belindaleon: Okay, well,
- [00:54:51.270]belindaleon: Okay.
- [00:54:52.080]Sandra Williams: Any questions, anyone
- [00:54:54.300]belindaleon: They don't have any. That's good. I tell you, it makes me. I don't have to
- [00:54:58.350]Sandra Williams: Jeffrey, it looks like Jeffrey has a question.
- [00:55:01.920]belindaleon: Just no.
- [00:55:03.750]belindaleon: Good.
- [00:55:05.670]Jeffry Atilano: All right. Hi, guys. Really nice to meet you.
- [00:55:09.030]Jeffry Atilano: And I was raising my hand, but I was like, oh no, like, I don't think they see me or no. Well, I was like, Oh, I can do just, I can just do
- [00:55:22.890]Jeffry Atilano: Something that I actually really like is that we talk about.
- [00:55:29.250]Jeffry Atilano: Keys every day, like in a stop loss or something like that. And I giving hope to Drupal that anything is possible. No matter what, like if you just
- [00:55:40.470]Jeffry Atilano: Made it
- [00:55:42.030]Jeffry Atilano: I don't know why I felt like a lot of all that's
- [00:55:48.120]Jeffry Atilano: What you said, and I mean it's true like
- [00:55:52.140]Jeffry Atilano: Is actually a big part for us is keeping us alive and also
- [00:56:00.570]Jeffry Atilano: I have a lot of faith.
- [00:56:04.950]Jeffry Atilano: together and work together, like what we can do.
- [00:56:10.980]Jeffry Atilano: A generation where we are changing a lot of things this unknown area is very confusing. And it's, there's a lot of new languages that it's coming up like
- [00:56:22.710]Jeffry Atilano: Like art and all of that I consider our lesson new language and stuff like that so it's it's really hard to understand things that's it's hard.
- [00:56:35.160]Jeffry Atilano: I say this because the English is actually my second language Spanish is my first language. So in my journey like I struggle a lot of us are discrimination and stuff like that. But I never give up.
- [00:56:48.870]Jeffry Atilano: I work really hard to like work on things that I need to, to, to finish and like to, to be successful, you know,
- [00:56:59.100]Jeffry Atilano: Other thing that you said is that helping the community and stuff like that.
- [00:57:04.590]Jeffry Atilano: I totally agree with that, as I said, like people if people get getting together.
- [00:57:11.730]Jeffry Atilano: We can make a lot of big changes. And this is a really good way to express ourselves and stuff like dial art. It's something very beautiful, something that
- [00:57:22.020]Jeffry Atilano: It's sometimes you can explain what's what's going on in the piece but you know that there's like an energy that it's like calling you, or something that it's like I don't know at something like very unexplainable but yeah
- [00:57:39.600]Jeffry Atilano: No.
- [00:57:39.900]belindaleon: No, what you're saying, what you're saying is that what you're saying is excellent and it is true with you. You're always we're all bounding energy right so
- [00:57:47.070]belindaleon: Energy can't be destroyed to recreate it. So we're just transferring it as I, as I told your class the other day, Sandra and the project that they may be doing, which will be cool is all she had
- [00:57:56.880]belindaleon: Is when they transfer that energy onto ever surface that might be
- [00:58:03.150]belindaleon: Someone else will pick that up, they will understand it, they will connect with it will be an awesome thing so Jeffrey what you're what you're saying is true.
- [00:58:10.710]belindaleon: We find our we find a wavelength and find our connection points and we ride. We're all we're all we're all part of the rising wave
- [00:58:18.390]belindaleon: And you folks are actually the future, you know, on my time is done, I gotta go get my Walker and just a second.
- [00:58:23.460]belindaleon: With you guys you folks, you have the opportunity to create and and do and a lot of times when I talk about doing something and working with young people.
- [00:58:33.510]belindaleon: I said, I do it because I'm selfish, because there's no need no need for me to complain when I'm 80 years old, about our. What is wrong with these young people, if I didn't take the time I didn't take the energy to invest and try and help
- [00:58:44.940]belindaleon: Or instruct at least one person that you are my value different you're my value.
- [00:58:49.680]belindaleon: You're going to be the person who takes care of me, you
- [00:58:53.280]belindaleon: Understand, even though we're miles apart. We're actually connected in that wavelength. And so I appreciate what you said and keep that keep that in your heart and keep that in your mind. Thank you so very much. You're awesome. Thank you.
- [00:59:04.950]Sandra Williams: Folks are great. Thank you for the question. Jeffrey. That was really cool.
- [00:59:10.080]Sandra Williams: That's all right. You're on point Clarice. Do you want to unmute yourself.
- [00:59:18.420]Sandra Williams: And
- [00:59:20.370]Sandra Williams: You should be able to
- [00:59:22.380]belindaleon: She silent. She's assigned
- [00:59:25.980]belindaleon: Silence land.
- [00:59:27.450]Clarice Santos: That's actually where my mom got my name.
- [00:59:33.900]belindaleon: Is what fava beans. Go ahead. Clary so I'm sorry.
- [00:59:37.590]Clarice Santos: Um, you talked a lot about calling out to the community to help out, and I believe like language is very important to get people motivated to come out.
- [00:59:48.780]Clarice Santos: And I was wondering how what type of language, did you use to like this is your artwork that you're going to work on to promote your community come out and do something about it. What language, did you use to promote
- [01:00:03.720]belindaleon: That's a very good question. The language. I use is as you just said your it's not as I said earlier, it's not mine when I'm out there. I say, look, this is what we're going to do. This is our community.
- [01:00:13.110]belindaleon: When I talked about the food. But I said, here's our community.
- [01:00:15.630]belindaleon: In 2012 2013 it was considered the most dangerous neighborhood in America. What can we do together actually change that. How can we build bridges. How can we do this together because it's always about we. It's not about. Look, I want to go paint some buildings.
- [01:00:30.570]belindaleon: Who's going to jump on that. It doesn't make sense when I did the the painted the bowl. I'm like, what we want to do is created an amphitheater. We want to amplify the voices of those who are in this space. So would you which can we work together to do this.
- [01:00:43.470]belindaleon: Can you help me as I supply you with the paint and supplies and we turn this into an amphitheater that amplifies the voices of many
- [01:00:50.880]belindaleon: And so that many can be exposed and understand what's going on. So I always place it in the context of week
- [01:00:55.950]belindaleon: What, what can we do, what can we do, it's not about me once again I don't make. I don't care if the line is straight, it doesn't have to look perfect. It has to be, what, what is our connection. How do we build from that. So I use the language of wee
- [01:01:07.560]belindaleon: Hours and we because once again, if I would, the minute I walked away. It's not. Oh, look at what john painted it. No, no, this is what is in your community and you
- [01:01:17.550]belindaleon: took part in it. And you agree with it. So I use you and we hope that answers your question on what language to get people engaged.
- [01:01:24.420]Clarice Santos: And and just a follow up question besides the news. What other outlets. These to promote
- [01:01:32.970]belindaleon: Oh, I use the all the social webs. I use all the social web. So I use the
- [01:01:38.160]belindaleon: Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn. LinkedIn, Instagram,
- [01:01:43.200]belindaleon: I haven't used Tick tock as of yet. But yeah, he was all the social web. So because you're always going to reach different folks in different people. And so what you count on is sort of the sort of spread you want people to spread your message, you know,
- [01:01:55.140]belindaleon: You know, you have your traditional media, but that's a certain group of people that are going to look at that and then do that. So you got to find some other folks that say, hey, you want to tell somebody about what's going on next Saturday, like, oh, wow, that's cool. I'm excited.
- [01:02:09.210]belindaleon: So try and plug as much as you can, and
- [01:02:12.480]belindaleon: While people are there, they're actually going to be talking about it while they're engaged in the project. So as I showed you all those other projects that were going on.
- [01:02:18.540]belindaleon: There, they're putting that into their feet. And that's why I talked about arts afterlife. What does it do afterward after its after the stroke is hit the wall. What life does it have afterward.
- [01:02:28.890]belindaleon: In the moment. What's being created. And when somebody encounters it, how do they then share it.
- [01:02:33.750]belindaleon: And I think that's the important part. There is to not think about just you and how you're sharing it. But what's going to happen in those avenues that you won't even see
- [01:02:42.480]belindaleon: You won't even know how people are engaged, you're using what you have created whatsoever, but you need to rest. Well, and know that they are because it will show up. One day you're like hey
- [01:02:52.470]belindaleon: We painted that thing over there. So enjoy it.
- [01:02:55.770]Clarice Santos: Thank you.
- [01:02:58.140]Sandra Williams: Clarice
- [01:03:00.690]Sandra Williams: Danny.
- [01:03:05.160]Sandra Williams: Can you unmute you.
- [01:03:06.630]belindaleon: Can you tell me, are you saying damn you said damn to me.
- [01:03:09.840]Damn.
- [01:03:12.630]belindaleon: Damn. Yo,
- [01:03:15.510]Dani Brady Ahrends: Okay, can you hear me.
- [01:03:16.740]belindaleon: Yes, I can hear you.
- [01:03:18.750]Dani Brady Ahrends: So while you're out there painting these positive messages and stuff. Do you ever have like protesters show up. And how do you deal with it.
- [01:03:29.580]belindaleon: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'll talk, I'll talk about a particular thing that happened. I wish I could pull that up quickly. But there's a there's a
- [01:03:38.040]belindaleon: Recreation Center in a neighborhood that's been there for 90 years and I proposed painting the name of the central on there. It's called Louis St. I was going to paint the Wall Street such strong. Now, this is, this is not about protesters, but the two that in a moment.
- [01:03:55.980]belindaleon: And so I said, I'm going to do it. And there's a reunion group that has many generations that come from Italian a Latino African American
- [01:04:06.300]belindaleon: Asian Pacific. There's all these there's like thousands of people who are connected to this thing. And so once they heard I was going to do this. They literally shut it down, shut it down there were
- [01:04:15.420]belindaleon: There were going to stand in the way of it actually happening because they didn't understand the process and understand what I was doing.
- [01:04:22.830]belindaleon: But after I explained to them. I said, I'm painting this, and what I want to do is the part where I pay homage to you is that anyone who actually went to the center. You are going to sign this finished piece of this wall.
- [01:04:34.500]belindaleon: And in the end, there were folks who came from Arizona, there are folks there who were 89 years old who signed this wall there, folks. There were 22
- [01:04:40.800]belindaleon: Who had a connection point to this place. So it was it was about people feel uncomfortable because when you're when you're trying to create you're going to create some mistakes.
- [01:04:48.540]belindaleon: You're going to create some tension, I create a lot of tension when you're trying to make something. So going back to
- [01:04:53.280]belindaleon: When you're doing protest when I paint it black lives matter on the street.
- [01:04:57.180]belindaleon: It was a rush job. It was a quick job so they called me up and said, can we get this done. Like, oh yeah, we can do it. We'll do it this weekend. They're like, All right, let's do it. And I was like, Oh, why did I say that
- [01:05:07.140]belindaleon: So, you know, in most in most of the places around the country. They've been painting it in yellow. Right. So I said, Okay, we're gonna do this so I'm trying to get the paint. There's not enough paint within the region and the color yellow. There's not enough color yellow to tented
- [01:05:24.000]belindaleon: I'm like, I got two days to get this done.
- [01:05:27.060]belindaleon: As I kind of do green. I like it's the same base that you will use. And so I took made an executive decision. I said, Okay, what I'll do is I will painted blue um
- [01:05:39.300]belindaleon: Which is my core. I was like, that's good. That makes tickle away. So for those of you don't know that's it's it's going to be as if it's a Blue Lives Matter thing going on.
- [01:05:47.550]belindaleon: Its original intent, where I was going to paint it was going to be over our Genesee River. Okay. It was going to be a bridge over the river. So I said, Okay, I can. This will be okay. I think I can work it because it connects to the river.
- [01:06:00.570]belindaleon: That it was moved that was shut down that it was moved. I've got hundreds of gallons of paint.
- [01:06:06.270]belindaleon: They're like, Okay, we're going to do it in this Court street across from the MLK park where they get
- [01:06:11.580]belindaleon: I was like, I wish we had more time. I could have switched it out there like note. We've already. We've already bought those hundreds of gallons of paint your payment little dude. Okay, so I measured out. Do it.
- [01:06:21.630]belindaleon: I have a small number of folks. I didn't do a community call because I didn't want too many people to show up and I didn't have enough of them to do.
- [01:06:28.650]belindaleon: And the night before I realized, you know, if I was going to connect it to the river and it came to me that ancient kemet
- [01:06:36.480]belindaleon: Egypt as some as you may know, the Nile itself flows, a south, south to north, just as our Genesee River does
- [01:06:45.870]belindaleon: And the color blue was very valuable in ancient kemet very valuable. And when they did picked it, it gives us in textiles or anything. It was a very
- [01:06:54.180]belindaleon: Expensive invaluable color. So I felt the color blue was connected to my ancient African ancestry and I was trying to tell folks don't let someone take the color away from Western which we created. Okay.
- [01:07:08.760]belindaleon: I painted blue. I'm just going to protest and people say I painted blue oh shit broke loose everybody
- [01:07:16.350]belindaleon: Ever like oh, is this political. What is he trying to say. And he tried to play in a blue line, what the hell's he doing
- [01:07:21.300]belindaleon: He's in supporting the cops. He's trying to do this. He's trying to make a statement. He's trying to disregard black people's lives.
- [01:07:27.660]belindaleon: They try to do all this shit I had so much shit hit the fan because of that. So this is just folks who were out protesting and they're talking shit about me.
- [01:07:36.120]belindaleon: Because I was out there to two o'clock in the morning on my knees. One, the black man's you know I am a black life and no one. Consider that I was actually doing something just to bring camaraderie. They were, they were hung up on the color in which we invented, mind you.
- [01:07:50.730]belindaleon: And so I caught a lot of shit because of that. And I actually refuse to if people ask me, Can you put out a statement. Can you do something
- [01:07:57.930]belindaleon: Radio stations were calling me up TV show TV station. We're calling up and asking what's going on because out of the nation and we're only people painted blue
- [01:08:06.030]belindaleon: But I only spoke to one station which is a Black owned locally radio station. I said, but I said by piece that my parts and parcels because I didn't want to
- [01:08:13.680]belindaleon: Do anything there. But in actuality it worked out well because where we painted it was in front of a tall building
- [01:08:21.270]belindaleon: And where there's radio show host and just three days before I painted that on the ground, they were they were fired for saying
- [01:08:29.100]belindaleon: racial slurs about people. And so as a lot of these radio stations are in there. So now they're sharing the word and they're spreading it to their audiences.
- [01:08:37.320]belindaleon: That is black lives matter which is predominately I would say conservative Caucasian. I don't know rednecks out or whatever the hell you can call me and say whatever I hope I'm not offending
- [01:08:45.600]belindaleon: You know conservatives are read next on the on this call, but I love you, just the same. All right.
- [01:08:50.970]belindaleon: So it's just, it's just, that's what happens. So it actually worked out well. To put it in front of that audience, you know, when you when you step back, you feel okay about it. So that was a thing where people were really they were actually talking about painting over it.
- [01:09:04.260]belindaleon: And they're like, we're gonna paint. All right, Ryan, you painted this. I was like, I was like, I just have to let it rest and these were the protesters, the folks that I painted it for they wanted to paint it just painted out. So I hope that answers your question.
- [01:09:18.150]Dani Brady Ahrends: Thank you.
- [01:09:19.170]Thank you. Thank you. Thank
- [01:09:23.790]You
- [01:09:26.430]Sandra Williams: Anyone else
- [01:09:27.870]belindaleon: Think we're good. Because my stomach is growling now.
- [01:09:30.660]Sandra Williams: Thank you so much for joining us this evening, great questions you and our folks.
- [01:09:39.780]Sandra Williams: We look. We look forward to having you in one at 9am tomorrow afternoon.
- [01:09:46.350]Sandra Williams: SO WE'LL SEE YOU AT 430 your time.
- [01:09:49.050]belindaleon: Or three I got it this time. I remember, I remember. And you won't. We won't be doing. We won't be zooming while I drive or while I'm swimming or whatever.
- [01:09:56.250]belindaleon: We're taking a shower. We will do this right, okay.
- [01:09:58.710]Sandra Williams: Okay, thank you. Thanks for coming. Everyone I was very happy. We had 78 at one point.
- [01:10:07.050]belindaleon: I said, as long as we get five we're golden. All right, thank you everyone. Peace be with you. Let your light shine within. I love you all and good evening.
- [01:10:22.440]Sandra Williams: Oh, Peggy was here.
- [01:10:50.610]Sandra Williams: Okay, I'm gonna log off now.
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