Protecting your mental health while temporarily working from home

IANR Vice Chancellor's Office Author

04/26/2020 Added

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Interview with Dr. Katrina Cordts, Assistant professor and pediatric psychologist at University of Nebraska Medical Center. The social distancing, and work-and-study-from-home guidance associated with our response to the COVID-19 pandemic has created unique challenges related to all aspects of health and well-being. These challenges include heightened risks to our mental health.

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[00:00:00.380]I'm Rich Bischoff, the Associate Vice Chancellor
[00:00:03.320]for faculty and academic leader success,
[00:00:05.570]in the Institute of Agriculture and Natural Resources.
[00:00:09.060]The social distancing and work
[00:00:11.500]and study-from-home guidance associated with our response
[00:00:14.910]to the COVID-19 pandemic, has created a unique challenge
[00:00:19.640]related to all aspects of our health and well-being.
[00:00:22.790]These challenges include heightened risks
[00:00:24.978]to our mental health.
[00:00:26.710]I'm talking today with Dr. Katrina Cordts.
[00:00:30.800]Dr. Cordts is a faculty member
[00:00:32.760]with the department of psychiatry
[00:00:34.500]at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
[00:00:37.350]She specializes in behavioral healthcare of kids,
[00:00:40.970]she has a particular expertise
[00:00:42.830]in working with parents and young children
[00:00:44.760]to promote healthy behaviors
[00:00:46.830]and to prevent disruptive behavior in early childhood.
[00:00:50.080]Katie, when I think of mental health,
[00:00:52.990]my mind immediately thinks about adults and teenagers.
[00:00:56.860]Perhaps you could start us off just by telling us
[00:00:59.540]why it's so important to consider the mental health
[00:01:02.150]of young children and youth?
[00:01:04.330]Sure, absolutely.
[00:01:05.163]So I think what's most important is that when kids struggle,
[00:01:08.240]the parents really are their first line of defense.
[00:01:09.890]The people who intervene and get them
[00:01:11.870]the services that they need.
[00:01:13.560]As a back-up system, we also normally have
[00:01:15.530]the school system too,
[00:01:16.440]so teachers and adults within the school system
[00:01:19.750]can help track when kids are struggling
[00:01:22.130]or maybe at risk for developing mental health problems.
[00:01:24.630]Now that kids are no longer attending school,
[00:01:26.565]in the formal sense,
[00:01:28.230]we no longer have that extra line of defense
[00:01:30.880]to help the parents out.
[00:01:31.980]And so, also, naturally, we know that
[00:01:34.620]when kids are struggling,
[00:01:35.470]it's gonna be harder to parent them
[00:01:36.810]and it's gonna create added challenges for their parents,
[00:01:39.310]and so being really mindful of their mental health
[00:01:42.080]and well-being is important
[00:01:43.030]for the sake of the entire family.
[00:01:45.290]That's yeah, good, thank you Katie.
[00:01:47.150]Many of our faculty and staff members have children.
[00:01:50.876]They may be worried about their children's mental health
[00:01:53.780]during this unprecedented time.
[00:01:55.980]Without that additional support that you just talked about,
[00:01:59.210]schools and other organizations to help them here.
[00:02:02.430]I'm wondering if you could
[00:02:03.670]tell us what those unique mental health risks are
[00:02:06.810]for kids and youth, related to the COVID-19 pandemic.
[00:02:10.930]Sure, so I think the biggest problem,
[00:02:13.910]is we know that all kids thrive when they have routine,
[00:02:17.650]structure, consistency.
[00:02:19.760]And for many families,
[00:02:20.820]that's something that's lacking right now, again,
[00:02:22.390]because of not having the formal education
[00:02:25.000]as well as extracurricular activities and the like.
[00:02:28.800]And so, for many of our kids,
[00:02:31.280]this lack of a structure, routine
[00:02:32.780]is creating added stressors for them.
[00:02:35.940]In addition, we know that,
[00:02:37.300]for our children with pre-existing mental health conditions,
[00:02:40.400]the lack of structure is kind of a double whammy for them.
[00:02:44.420]And, of course, you also have to consider,
[00:02:46.990]many children are experiencing feelings of loss and grief.
[00:02:50.300]Especially for those in those transitional age ranges
[00:02:52.690]like kindergarten, fifth, eighth, and 12th graders,
[00:02:55.660]that may be missing out on some milestone events
[00:02:58.710]as well as just the normal end-of-year parties
[00:03:00.920]and getting to say goodbye to their teacher.
[00:03:02.894]There are a number of factors that we need to be considering
[00:03:05.570]when thinking about children's mental health
[00:03:07.440]during this time.
[00:03:08.590]You know, I have grandchildren.
[00:03:10.390]Some of whom are in preschool and elementary school.
[00:03:13.860]During this time when they haven't been going to school,
[00:03:16.120]it's become very evident to me how important
[00:03:18.870]their interactions are with their peers.
[00:03:22.720]Perhaps you could tell me about the role
[00:03:24.980]of social interactions in social isolation,
[00:03:28.150]to mental health in young children and youth.
[00:03:30.440]And maybe even provide some suggestions
[00:03:33.810]about what we might ought to do about it.
[00:03:36.278]So we know that for our younger children,
[00:03:38.230]social interactions are the way that they learn
[00:03:40.530]and I think oftentimes as adults,
[00:03:41.880]we really underestimate the value of social interactions.
[00:03:45.630]What we know from the research and the literature
[00:03:47.180]is that play for young children
[00:03:49.440]is a way that they get to act out
[00:03:51.000]and experience new emotions
[00:03:52.500]and learn how to cope and handle
[00:03:56.700]different, difficult situations.
[00:03:58.400]And so, when there are no social interactions,
[00:04:01.610]because they're not able to engage with their peers
[00:04:03.990]in the same way that they once were,
[00:04:06.080]actually, it's concerning about their overall development
[00:04:09.930]and how they're going to continue to learn,
[00:04:12.169]and learn these emotions and how to manage them.
[00:04:15.210]Sure.
[00:04:16.043]And for our teens too, I think,
[00:04:18.050]we know that oftentimes their peer group
[00:04:19.790]is more influential, perhaps,
[00:04:21.110]at times than even their parents or their family members.
[00:04:23.469](laughing)
[00:04:24.410]And so, they're not getting the same social interactions
[00:04:27.810]that they once were.
[00:04:28.700]Fortunately though, we live in an age of technology
[00:04:32.340]where the options are endless.
[00:04:35.240]And so, I'm really encouraging a lot of parents,
[00:04:38.260]regardless of their kids' age,
[00:04:39.530]to be thinking about how to utilize things like Zoom,
[00:04:42.140]or Netflix Party or some of the different apps
[00:04:45.200]where you can play games and interact with your peers,
[00:04:47.500]to help keep some of those social interactions
[00:04:49.210]that are so critical for our children, teens,
[00:04:51.032]and even for us as adults.
[00:04:53.080]This is an interesting comment
[00:04:54.390]that you're making about the use of technology
[00:04:56.930]because these are actually some of the concerns that I have
[00:04:59.550]about these grandchildren that I have.
[00:05:02.300]And also, I have a son who's in high school,
[00:05:04.850]one of the things that I've seen is a greater reliance
[00:05:07.920]on the use of technology to occupy time.
[00:05:10.400]And I'm not talking about school
[00:05:13.470]through distance technologies,
[00:05:15.210]but about video games, online gaming, YouTube, Disney+,
[00:05:19.360]you know, those kinds of things.
[00:05:21.480]Could you talk to me about, you talked a little bit about,
[00:05:24.657]you know, the positive things that can come from that,
[00:05:27.460]in terms of creating social connections,
[00:05:29.410]and using those in creative ways.
[00:05:31.300]But could you talk to me about the role
[00:05:32.920]of this kind of use of technology on child mental health,
[00:05:36.381]and provide maybe some suggestions for parents
[00:05:39.060]who may be noticing the same kinds of things
[00:05:41.480]with their kids that I am.
[00:05:43.320]Yeah, this has been one of my biggest concerns
[00:05:46.070]with the pandemic.
[00:05:47.420]Is the use and reliance on technology to,
[00:05:51.210]not only engage in school and classwork,
[00:05:53.640]but also to make those social interactions
[00:05:56.220]as well as just the normal adolescent use of gaming,
[00:06:00.646]even our young children are doing that now too.
[00:06:02.650]So I think this pandemic has created
[00:06:05.010]somewhat of a blurry line for parents to regulate
[00:06:07.580]and monitor what their kids are doing online.
[00:06:10.090]And, not to mention, technology for many kids
[00:06:13.490]is very distracting.
[00:06:14.800]And so for those of us that are parenting
[00:06:17.270]and working from home,
[00:06:20.303]parents need to be able to get things done.
[00:06:22.070]And s technology can, out of necessity,
[00:06:24.790]become a babysitter for some
[00:06:27.970]because we've gotta be on Zoom meetings
[00:06:29.740]and engaging with our colleagues as well.
[00:06:31.890]Right.
[00:06:32.723]So, I think one of the best recommendations,
[00:06:34.970]especially since so many of us
[00:06:36.280]are no longer able to follow
[00:06:37.610]the American Academy of Pediatrics' recommendation
[00:06:40.050]of 60 minutes or less of screen-time per day,
[00:06:43.250]is creating routines and predictability for our kids,
[00:06:46.980]about when they can use technology.
[00:06:48.760]So, for instance, still setting limits on,
[00:06:52.320]you can play this video game for an hour,
[00:06:53.940]but then you need to take a break and go do something else.
[00:06:56.600]As well as the normal limits around,
[00:06:59.160]if you don't normally allow screens or electronics
[00:07:01.740]at the dinner table,
[00:07:03.290]keeping those rules and limitations in place.
[00:07:06.323]It's just continuing to enforce
[00:07:07.610]some of those pre-COVID limits around technology,
[00:07:10.260]as much as possible.
[00:07:11.410]And maybe thinking about when kids are able
[00:07:13.780]to access technology and reserving that for a time
[00:07:16.420]when you, as a parent, really need to be engaged
[00:07:18.860]in something for work,
[00:07:19.750]like on a Zoom call or leading a meeting.
[00:07:21.920]Yeah, no, that's good, that's very helpful.
[00:07:24.340]Katie, my area of expertise is in relationships,
[00:07:28.500]family relationships,
[00:07:29.680]and so I understand how important
[00:07:31.680]relationships are to our mental health
[00:07:34.500]and also to that of our children.
[00:07:37.693]You know, for me, how one of my kids or grandkids
[00:07:41.490]is feeling and functioning,
[00:07:42.900]effects how I feel and function and vise-versa.
[00:07:46.470]It's no surprise to me that parents
[00:07:48.930]carry their own worries about the COVID-19 pandemic,
[00:07:52.380]their jobs, the economy, their relationships,
[00:07:54.850]their own physical and mental health, those kinds of things.
[00:07:57.509]How would these worries, or how could these worries
[00:08:00.830]that parents have, effect children?
[00:08:03.220]And then, what suggestions do you have
[00:08:05.740]for our faculty and staff members
[00:08:07.510]who find themselves, maybe,
[00:08:09.120]carrying these kinds of anxieties
[00:08:10.920]in their interactions with their kids?
[00:08:13.360]Yeah, so children are sponges.
[00:08:14.640]They pick up on everything,
[00:08:16.050]and not just children, I think our teens too.
[00:08:17.920]And so, it's really incredible to me when parents
[00:08:20.460]come in to session and tell me,
[00:08:21.470]well we've tried really hard not to fight
[00:08:22.950]in front of the kiddo,
[00:08:25.080]or we try and limit these conversations
[00:08:26.760]to happen after they've gone to bed and things.
[00:08:28.710]But kids still have this ability
[00:08:31.640]to pick up on what adults are feeling.
[00:08:33.580]It's really, truly remarkable.
[00:08:35.960]So I think one of the ways that we can combat that,
[00:08:37.363]and actually, as we're dealing with our own stress
[00:08:39.710]and anxiety related to COVID,
[00:08:41.350]is having open and honest conversations
[00:08:43.650]and communications with our kids.
[00:08:46.760]Creating a space for them to ask questions
[00:08:49.150]and also for you, as a parent, to share your concerns
[00:08:52.860]about how this is effecting home life and work life.
[00:08:56.400]But keeping in mind that using
[00:08:58.289]developmentally appropriate language, is really important.
[00:09:01.128]So thinking about what your five or your six year old
[00:09:03.904]can cope with or understand,
[00:09:05.910]is different from maybe your 15 or 16 year old.
[00:09:08.530]So really watching your language
[00:09:10.380]and thinking about what cognitively and developmentally,
[00:09:13.430]what a child can handle at that age.
[00:09:16.700]The other part I think that's so important with this,
[00:09:19.464]is that this is stressful and this is hard.
[00:09:21.260]And we're all dealing with a range of emotions
[00:09:24.380]and sometimes we have multiple emotions at the same time.
[00:09:27.721]It's okay for kids to see that.
[00:09:30.180]This is part of their learning and their development,
[00:09:32.120]is learning, what do I do when I'm sad
[00:09:34.580]or when I'm worried or when I'm angry even.
[00:09:37.160]So, as a parent, so often want to limit
[00:09:41.070]their children's exposure to your more negative emotions
[00:09:44.550]but it's also critical for their development
[00:09:46.420]that they see you, as a parent,
[00:09:48.780]at times experiencing stress and worry and sadness,
[00:09:52.720]but it's how you handle it,
[00:09:54.140]that's gonna be so critical for their development,
[00:09:55.610]so that they learn healthy ways
[00:09:56.900]to cope with their emotions too.
[00:09:58.810]Katie, what should parents be looking for
[00:10:01.110]that would suggest that maybe a mental health problem
[00:10:04.790]in their child, is developing?
[00:10:09.140]The first one that I always think about,
[00:10:10.480]is sleep problems.
[00:10:11.380]So if your child is having a hard time falling asleep
[00:10:16.110]or staying asleep or is reporting nightmares,
[00:10:18.250]feeling tired during the day,
[00:10:19.610]even though maybe they did get a good
[00:10:20.810]amount of sleep the night before,
[00:10:22.680]those are really important things.
[00:10:23.810]That's usually a first sign for many children.
[00:10:27.915]Another thing that might be coming up,
[00:10:29.510]are things like stomach aches or headaches
[00:10:31.290]or oh, I just don't feel good.
[00:10:34.217]And that's without any known cause.
[00:10:36.410]Of course, you wanna make sure
[00:10:37.243]that getting them medically evaluated as needed.
[00:10:39.590]But really, when you've had them evaluated
[00:10:41.450]and there's no reason for them to have a stomachache
[00:10:43.310]or a headache, sometimes that can signal
[00:10:45.600]there's some underlying anxiety or worry there.
[00:10:48.180]Also if you're noticing an increase in tantrums
[00:10:50.730]or just low mood and mood swings,
[00:10:53.680]similar to what we might see in adults,
[00:10:55.760]those might be ques, or signs
[00:10:56.880]that maybe your child is struggling
[00:10:57.958]and might need some extra help.
[00:11:00.170]But the big thing to point out here is that,
[00:11:01.810]we're looking for a deviation from normal.
[00:11:04.180]Because if your child was having a lot of tantrums
[00:11:06.620]before COVID hit and they're still having a lot of tantrums,
[00:11:11.120]one, that may be a sign to also reach out and get some help,
[00:11:13.550]but we're really looking for
[00:11:15.100]if this is something new to your child.
[00:11:17.070]So if they didn't have headaches before,
[00:11:18.530]they were a pretty upbeat and happy kid,
[00:11:20.200]and now they're feeling really sad
[00:11:21.680]and appear to not be interested
[00:11:23.350]in the things that once interested them,
[00:11:25.190]those are the signs, kind of, that shift,
[00:11:27.090]or that deviation from how they normally behave.
[00:11:29.330]So just keeping an eye out for some of those new behaviors
[00:11:32.670]that pop up, knowing that some of it
[00:11:34.430]might just be in response to COVID,
[00:11:36.620]but might also be a signal
[00:11:38.340]for some emerging mental health concerns.
[00:11:42.180]And I think the biggest part about that,
[00:11:43.252]is that our interventions are incredibly effective
[00:11:46.800]in the behavioral health and psychology world,
[00:11:49.090]and they're usually best when they're applied proactively,
[00:11:51.880]so, early intervention piece is critical.
[00:11:55.260]Okay well, that's really helpful.
[00:11:59.030]Katie, what observations do you have
[00:12:01.100]about the kinds of challenges to family well-being,
[00:12:04.110]that could be expected
[00:12:05.230]in the face of a mental health problem?
[00:12:07.090]Either with a child or with an adult?
[00:12:09.660]Yeah, so I think one of the things
[00:12:10.790]that naturally comes up that, as adults,
[00:12:12.810]but especially so as parents and caregivers,
[00:12:14.590]we tend to be fixers,
[00:12:15.670]we want to make things better.
[00:12:17.950]And this is something that, quite simply,
[00:12:19.380]does not have an easy fix.
[00:12:21.190]Of course, we have an amazing team of scientists
[00:12:23.930]and institutions that are working on this problem,
[00:12:26.660]but there's not a quick fix to this.
[00:12:28.570]And so, thinking about the challenges to family well-being,
[00:12:31.920]it's important to acknowledge that having conversations
[00:12:35.090]and just acknowledging that this is hard
[00:12:37.580]and that there are some big emotions
[00:12:39.110]tied to this experience and that's okay.
[00:12:43.130]This isn't something that we can readily
[00:12:44.770]jump in and fix, but just allowing space and conversation
[00:12:47.670]for acknowledging how difficult this has been
[00:12:50.310]and what it may mean in terms of loss and grief,
[00:12:53.850]not only of people and individuals that we care about,
[00:12:55.910]but just the loss of experiences
[00:12:57.430]and the things that we're no longer able to participate in,
[00:13:00.690]at least currently.
[00:13:02.950]Sure, so throughout this interview so far,
[00:13:05.380]I guess I've just been hearing you say that, you know,
[00:13:08.580]any of these kinds of experiences that either our children
[00:13:11.370]or that we might be having,
[00:13:13.010]that they're normal and probably to be expected.
[00:13:15.594](laughing)
[00:13:16.610]That to experience loss and grief
[00:13:19.570]and maybe even to act out a little bit,
[00:13:21.910]or something like that,
[00:13:23.820]that, that's not necessarily outside of the realm of normal.
[00:13:27.620]Yes, absolutely.
[00:13:28.453]I think a natural response,
[00:13:30.830]and actually a somewhat helpful and logical reaction
[00:13:34.080]to a pandemic, is increased anxiety and stress.
[00:13:38.060]But what's really critical here,
[00:13:40.550]is that we manage that stress appropriately
[00:13:42.710]in a healthy way.
[00:13:44.679]So added stress about making sure
[00:13:46.950]we're sanitizing things and washing our hands,
[00:13:49.196]it's helping to keep us safe,
[00:13:51.060]but we also have to acknowledge
[00:13:52.700]that we need to manage it in a way that's healthy
[00:13:55.330]and that's gonna promote well-being in the long run.
[00:13:59.520]Okay, great, so we've been talking
[00:14:01.130]about child mental health and the role of parents in that.
[00:14:05.710]Would you be willing to talk with us a little
[00:14:07.860]about the kinds of things that adults
[00:14:11.010]should be considering about their own mental health
[00:14:13.680]during this time?
[00:14:15.100]So, certainly if an individual
[00:14:17.420]has a pre-existing mental health condition,
[00:14:19.420]like anxiety or depression, they're likely at greater risk
[00:14:23.110]for an exacerbation or worsening of those symptoms
[00:14:25.840]because of, you know, not being able to access
[00:14:27.720]the social interactions,
[00:14:28.610]which are so key to our environment,
[00:14:30.280]and the changes and the uncertainty
[00:14:32.010]and everything that's going on.
[00:14:33.650]But also for those individuals
[00:14:34.900]that don't have a pre-existing mental health condition,
[00:14:37.470]it's important to know that
[00:14:39.000]there are a number of stressors right now
[00:14:40.680]that may or may not signal a mental health diagnosis,
[00:14:44.250]but are just important to be aware of.
[00:14:45.720]So adults can experience grief and loss too.
[00:14:49.590]Some of us are missing out on weddings
[00:14:51.250]and maybe family members are having babies
[00:14:53.680]that we can't go see, birthday parties and things,
[00:14:56.300]and so it is natural to have a pretty strong reaction
[00:15:00.080]in response to some of the events that we're missing out on,
[00:15:02.270]regardless of whether
[00:15:03.440]you have an existing mental health condition.
[00:15:05.920]That's great, I appreciate those comments about that.
[00:15:08.260]You had mentioned earlier that early intervention is better.
[00:15:12.910]So the sooner we can intervene is the better.
[00:15:15.140]Now I'm thinking that if we can intervene
[00:15:17.410]before we need to intervene,
[00:15:18.860]that we'll probably be in the best shape.
[00:15:20.640]So could you comment a little on preventative strategies?
[00:15:24.550]Some things that we might do before we start noticing
[00:15:29.440]problems with mental or emotional health,
[00:15:32.170]either with, you know, children
[00:15:33.450]or with you know, ourselves, as adults?
[00:15:36.080]One of the things that I've been frustrated by,
[00:15:38.955]with the pandemic, is the poster encouragement
[00:15:42.770]to take up a new hobby or to be overly achieving
[00:15:46.560]on a number of different tasks.
[00:15:48.310]One of the things that I'm commonly hearing
[00:15:50.290]within an academic medical center is, well,
[00:15:52.560]now that you're working from home,
[00:15:53.820]you've got all that time to write that paper
[00:15:55.510]or write that grant or to achieve that project.
[00:15:59.080]And I think we need to step back
[00:16:00.580]and give ourselves some grace and acknowledge that,
[00:16:03.870]well yes, I am working from home,
[00:16:05.870]but I may be trying to parent and teach now
[00:16:09.430]or manage a house full,
[00:16:11.100]and also deal with my own natural, emotional response.
[00:16:14.599]So, I'm really encouraging everybody
[00:16:16.730]to just give themselves some grace and be realistic
[00:16:20.390]about what can be accomplished during this time.
[00:16:22.370]And it's okay if it's not a period
[00:16:24.540]of increased productivity for you,
[00:16:26.700]despite what you may be seeing on Twitter
[00:16:28.500]or social media outlets,
[00:16:30.340]or just in conversations with colleagues.
[00:16:33.200]The other thing that I think is important
[00:16:34.520]for protecting our overall health and well-being,
[00:16:38.100]is to give your emotions some space.
[00:16:40.220]It's okay to not be okay.
[00:16:42.510]And, in fact, by avoiding those strong,
[00:16:44.880]negative emotions and just stuffing them down deeper,
[00:16:47.720]is ultimately gonna create a volcano of emotions
[00:16:50.730]that are gonna come out at some point.
[00:16:52.910]So it's okay to take some time to acknowledge those emotions
[00:16:57.140]and to cry and to be frustrated or be angry.
[00:17:01.853]Just to avoid bottling them up over time.
[00:17:05.450]Oh, that's great, great advice.
[00:17:07.330]Thank you Katie.
[00:17:08.600]Perhaps there's some other things that you've been,
[00:17:10.860]that you were thinking about
[00:17:11.950]as you were preparing to talk with me today?
[00:17:13.900]Is there anything else that you'd like to tell us?
[00:17:16.850]Yeah, so there's some great resources out there
[00:17:17.707]if you're feeling like your emotional experience
[00:17:21.010]is crossing into mental health territory
[00:17:23.090]and you need some extra support,
[00:17:24.350]and I just wanna make listeners aware of these things.
[00:17:26.690]So, not only does UNL have an employee assistance program
[00:17:33.070]which you can reach out and receive services,
[00:17:35.090]Telehealth has really revitalized
[00:17:37.760]and created some unique and great opportunities
[00:17:40.800]to get some professional support if needed.
[00:17:44.678]And the benefit is that
[00:17:45.697]you don't have to leave your own home.
[00:17:46.750]You don't have to drive some place and find parking.
[00:17:49.650]You can do it from the comfort of your own home.
[00:17:51.400]So, if you feel that you need some support
[00:17:54.840]from a professional, I encourage you to reach out.
[00:17:57.570]SAMHSA also has a disaster distress line
[00:18:00.840]that's available 24/7, 365 days a year.
[00:18:05.330]It's available in multiple languages, it's free,
[00:18:08.660]so if you are hitting a high emotion
[00:18:11.690]and you're having a hard time coming back down,
[00:18:13.330]I'm really encouraging people to reach out
[00:18:15.470]and use that free service as much as needed,
[00:18:18.760]because it's there and that's what it's there for.
[00:18:22.310]Those are great suggestions.
[00:18:24.260]Been talking today with Dr. Katrina, Katie Cordts,
[00:18:29.060]who is a faculty member of the department of psychiatry
[00:18:31.750]at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
[00:18:34.010]Katie, thank you so much for joining me
[00:18:36.190]in this conversation today.
[00:18:37.960]Thank you for having me.

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