Jackson: Welcome to the FarmBits podcast, a product of Nebraska
Extension Digital Agriculture. I'm Jackson Stansell. And I'm Samantha Teten.
And we come to you each week to discuss the trends, the realities
and the value of digital agriculture. Samantha: Through interviews and panels
with experts, producers and innovators from all sectors of digital technology- we hope that you
step away from each episode with new practical knowledge of digital agriculture technology.
Welcome back to the 21st episode of the FarmBits podcast.
Jackson: As we heard from John Fulton in episode 20, connectivity is a major
issue that is limiting the progress of digital agriculture. Samantha: These connectivity issues
are being prioritized by many organizations in both the private sector and public sector.
One such organization is United Soybean Board. Jackson: On this episode of the podcast,
we are joined by Keenan McRoberts, the United Soybean Board's Vice
President of Science and Program Strategy. Samantha: In his position, Keenan oversees
the Soy Checkoff investments across meal oil and sustainability, which includes the United Soybean
Board's rural broadband project. Jackson: One investment that the
United Soybean Board made in furthering the development of rural broadband was in a 2018
study that surveyed 2000 farmers regarding their use and limitations of rural broadband.
Samantha: In this interview, Keenan will discuss the findings of this study and how that is helping
to inform the United Soybean Board's investments in rural broadband and exactly what the role the
united soybean board is in furthering innovations to solve real broadband challenges, so let's jump
into our interview with Keenan McRoberts. Samantha:
So, can you tell us a little bit about your role and how you got there
including your ties to the Cornhusker state? Keenan: Yeah yeah, absolutely and thank you
for that, it's exciting to be connecting back to the state. So, I actually grew up on a farm
and ranch in Western Nebraska, north of Sidney is where the farm was and our our ranch property was
was near Bridgeport. So, west of soybean and in most of corn production territory though,
still agriculture was the driver of the economy obviously. So, I actually did my undergrad work
at the University of Nebraska and was there and graduated in 2001 ,so it's been a few years ago
but it's near and dear to my heart and obviously I'm still an avid Husker fan and and continue to
track with everything going on the state both football, volleyball and all the other really
cool activities that are going on out there. So, from from there I actually spent a lot of
my early career overseas, served as a peace corps volunteer in Nicaragua and worked with
the ministry of agriculture there as well and then bridged that to a master's in phd in international
agriculture and rural development and in animal science both at Cornell university and did my
work in Mexico and in Vietnam respectively. So, had that kind of trajectory related to domestic
agriculture and opportunities overseas which matters especially in the soybean industry because
nearly 60 percent of soybeans and soy products end up being exported. So, it's a cool industry
so to bridge my background and my academic training as well as my training on the ground
are very centered in really multi-disciplinary approaches to problem solving, and our investments
as the United Soybean Board that cross research into promotion and try to take a holistic view
as solutions that can really create that better future for the U.S. soybean farmer
really positioned me well to to help lead our efforts in this area. I first came to USB to lead
our soybean meal strategy and have since bridged to lead our science and program strategy team,
so it's been an exciting evolution and we got a lot of cool things going today and an exciting
future ahead of us on behalf of soybean farmers. Jackson: Very cool, it's amazing how broad your
experience has been i can't even imagine you know working in three different countries
you know kind of in graduate work and even before that. Samantha: So, as the vice president of the
science and program strategy you know, you see where these check off investments are going,
including this rural broadband project that you just mentioned. What made USB decide to
invest in this rural broadband project and why is it considered so important to
the sustainability and soybean producers? Keenan: Yeah, that's a great question
and I'll start by saying sustainability is one of our three strategic pillars
with our current strategic plan and farmers recognized early and set out
to to define and lay the groundwork for the future of sustainability. So, what's that mean right?
Sustainability gets thrown around a lot what it means for soybean farmers is really the three
pillars of operating more economically in ways that preserve the land and create opportunities
for the future and also that social sustainability component that weaves into rural communities and
rural culture. And the future and important role that they play in feeding the world,
so I think when we think about rural connectivity it's really critical with where we're at today.
United Soybean Board has recognized how important it is to improve the efficiency and
sustainability of their operations and has really invested in in key ways to address that issue.
Give an example the pandemic really kind of drove this home how important it was because even with
our board of 78 farmers we went from in-person meetings to 100% virtual operation right and
it quickly highlighted for us that some of the innovative farmers on our board still had a lot
of connectivity challenges. Maybe they had decent internet though perhaps not all that reliable in
their home offices, but once they went out to the field or were out on the road often it was lost.
We had board members trying to take calls from tractors and combines through the course of
meetings this year and very often that resulted in an inability to participate in fulfilling their
duties. It's kind of a microcosm of an example of some of the challenges that this created
and it really drove home the fact that this digital divide is critical in rural areas.
If you talk about the future farmer in the United States, technology and technology adoption is
right at the center of it and that technology relies in most cases on good connectivity, which
is undermined. We've got some data to support that from a recent study that we'll get into later,
but it's really been a priority, lies at the heart of our infrastructure investments to
increase understanding and then try to attract investment to resolve the problem over time.
Jackson: Yeah, I think you did a really good job of number one identifying like how exactly this
connectivity gap impacts farmers, but also talking about you know why exactly it's important that the
united soybean board is involved in kind of solving this gap. So, you did mention this
study it was called the rural broadband in the American farmers study. Can we kind of get into
into that study a little bit now and talk about some of the key findings that were in that study?
Keenan: Yeah, absolutely so this study was commissioned a couple years ago in 2018
really to better understand how and why farmers currently access the internet and how they get
connected both their purposes at home as well as in the office and you think about
all the on-farm decisions that are informed and rely on that connectivity that was the purpose of
it to understand is it a limitation, how great is that limitation and how expansive is it and this
wasn't limited just to soybean farmers it extended into really U.S. agriculture more broadly.
So, the study really showed that the lack of connectivity in rural areas takes a
significant toll on U.S. farmers and on the economy approximately 60% percent of farmers
said they did not have enough connectivity to run their businesses effectively
so over half, which is significant right. (absolutely) The study also
indicated that farmers who lack the connectivity to run their operations
are responsible for approximately 80 billion of the U.S. GDP. So, it's also a very large
monetary value that is an opportunity and should attract some investment because should it be
addressed effectively it creates an opportunity for the economy as well as potentially an
opportunity for tech providers to operate in that space. Another one, 78% of the farmers
and ranchers interviewed do not have a viable option to change internet service providers,
or they don't have connectivity options. So, it's really being price takers or market takers rather
than being able to go out and seek alternatives, if the current one is not working for them
sure the study also highlighted that most farmers plan on and it's 59% of farmers
or are considering incorporating more data into their day-to-day decisions within the next year.
So, if you extend that to a decade down the road that number probably goes to almost 100 percent
of those that would prefer to use data that requires connectivity on a day-to-day basis.
So, that's what we have to plan for. Ee need to plan for 100 percent coverage
not 29 right so those that face internet related barriers just a few highlighting
further a few of the what those barriers consist of many cited slow speeds,
dropped connections cost being a prohibitor to adoption, reliability and lack of access. Nearly
a third of those interviewed of the 2000 that were interviewed indicated that internet connectivity
has impacted their purchase decisions to upgrade farm equipment. And that's significant
right because if you're deciding today not to invest in something that has that technology
you're making a decision that affects your farm for a number of years down the road, so that's a
real limitation to broader uptake even if you know connectivity were to be improved in the next year
because you got to wait for the equipment turnover as well and it's a little bit of a
lag effect on adoption and implementation. Basically farmers needs for technology are
projected to grow that's a critical outcome here. We've got to think about the future,
we've reinforced that numerous times and I want to mention there's a difference between
connectivity in the office or at the home and in the field and you think of what is
the modern technological firm that's got all the bells and whistles, the office really is
the the tracker of the combine right? Your ability to do work while you're in the field
becomes pivotal to day-to-day productivity and business management. So, even if you have
connectivity at home, if that doesn't extend to the full extent of your property then you're not
necessarily in a better situation, if you are seeking to adopt some of the latest technology.
So those are a couple high-level numbers there's a few others, but what I really
want to underscore technology plays an integral role in every aspect of most farm operations.
Modern technology tends to require connectivity to get into the internet of things and a lot
of what drives everything that we all do on a day-to-day basis including farmers especially
those that have connectivity and are able to adopt the latest technology.
Precision agriculture and other on-farm technology enhancements
allow farmers to grow more food more efficiently and that is central. It is an essential service
during the pandemic right, so we recognized that you know regardless of what's going on out there
we've got to still be able to feed the population and as an essential service
that further underscores just how important connectivity is to realizing those efficiencies.
One thing I'll add here USDA announced last year the agriculture innovation agenda.
Are you two familiar with with that announcement at all? There were two overarching goals
one was to increase productivity, increase agricultural productivity or production by
by 40 percent by 2050 and the other was to reduce the environmental footprint
by 40 by 2050. Both of those really require on this adoption of modern technology to
continue to achieve the type of gains that we've experienced historically that are more dependent
upon technology today than they ever have been. Samantha: Sure and yeah this you know study that
you just mentioned we have read through that and we highly encourage our listeners to take
a glance through that because the statistics are phenomenal of where we're currently at,
and you just were mentioning this a little bit of like where we're going but can you talk about
how is this challenge holding us back from advancing agriculture?
So, are some farmers not adopting some things that is on the market
just because they don't have the connectivity? Keenan: Yeah, that's absolutely a possibility
and you think whether it's the ability to place a timely phone call you have a cell
connection or whether it's internet and the various forms that connectivity comes in.
I think a lot of it's around access to information as well as enabling technology
so access to information could be market information, could be weather information,
could be the ability to reach out to an equipment provider in a timely fashion or get support with
someone that's not working in the field and get timely solutions to those problems all of
which are hindered without it. So, it's kind of interweaves through everything that farmers need
to do on a day-to-day basis. You don't have that connectivity you know I think of when
I was growing up in Western Nebraska, if we had a problem had to drive at least 20 miles and it was
going to take at least two hours to see if there was even a possible solution on the horizon and
many parts of the country are still in that same condition, especially in rural areas. Jackson:
Yeah yeah, I think that really does underscore and one thing that I don't think we can take too
lightly is that access to information right. I think that's an important thing to pull out, and
I know as University Extension you know as part of what led us to start this podcast is trying
to provide you know new ways of people accessing information when we can't have these in-person
field days, and so I think we've been impacted by that a little bit as well on our end.
Keenan: Yeah, absolutely absolutely and I'm a huge advocate for the land grant,
the extension system. I think it's been really a landmark model that many parts of the world
have tried to replicate including some of the places I mentioned earlier where I've worked,
and it plays an important role here and it's interesting to see how the extension education
networks have adapted to virtual conditions and need to continue to and all that relies on
technology right. That also relies on connectivity without which you know if you can't get to the
folks that need it then you've got a problem. Samantha: So, thinking about all the research
that you guys have done and you know the publication that you put out how what other
education techniques or how else are you sharing this data with people and
why is that education piece so important? Keenan: Yeah, so the the education component
is essential our marketing communication and communication team at the United Soybean Board
plays a critical role in ensuring that this information gets out and gets out broadly.
In addition to that, partnering with with land grant universities and with other partners in
the private and public sector to disseminate this information, increase awareness and
format discussions about how we need to collectively work together to address it
is essential, and I think as much in this space as any other and perhaps more partnerships are really
critical here in partnerships across that public and private sector. So, we're doing everything
we can to promote the results of this study and build on it to get the word out there further
and get that information into the right hands that can enable some decisions and some
investment that might not have occurred otherwise. Jackson: Sure so, once that information kind of
gets out there to agricultural communities or these stakeholders and these systems- what is
one thing or maybe several things that you would like to see those stakeholders kind of contribute
to continuing to to promote rural broadband as a priority for the public and private sectors?
Keenan: Yeah, I think really talking to farmers and understanding their perspective and their
needs both today and into the future. What they want to grow toward and how the technology can
grow with them is essential and you know farmers collectively have a strong voice
going back again to that economic opportunity that comes along with the gap, the digital divide
that we need to bridge here that farmer collective voice can help ensure that we're addressing those
challenges in a way that represents their best interest longer term. So, talking to farmers and
getting the farmer voice out there is critical to everything we do and I think that's an important
part of the the landscape here as well. Jackson: Absolutely, so
we've kind of heard about you know how much of an issue it is, and now I'd rather kind of drive our
conversation the direction of how exactly you are investing right now to kind of address the issue
and maybe you could even get into your partnership with the Benton Institute for Broadband and
society kind of talking about your investments. Keenan: Yeah, sure thing so this study that we
cited was really the foundation kind of the starting point the baseline for where we're
at today and as you mentioned before definitely encourage folks to take a look at some of the
statistics there and I think that baseline highlighted a number of different things.
One is that we still really have a pasty of data around the challenges faced more broadly
in geographically in rural areas, so we still need more information to inform the future here
and studies like this can highlight the nature of the challenge and broad strokes but we need to go
deeper we need to understand the geospatial challenges and try to seek solutions that
are outside the box to address that. I think another piece that the study really highlighted
relates to that financial opportunity here, an attracting investment could be an important
outcome over the next five to ten years that can help address it because you know in order
to improve connectivity you've got to get the technology access in place whether it
be through satellite traditional providers or through high-speed cellular connection. So, that
technological investment by the private sector is absolutely critical. So, where's USB going next,
we've continued our work with the Benton Institute for Technology in the current
year in our fiscal year 2021 and the current study is is really building on the foundation
to tackle some next steps with the goal of producing principles and backgrounds and broadband
solutions that demonstrate the closing the current broadband gap will increase agricultural
productivity and sustainability kind of back to that previous point that we highlighted with USDA.
So, there's a few things that it's focusing on. The benton institute is facilitating a discussion
around key connectivity challenges facing American farmers around broadband performance
requirements that farmers need over the next decade, and I think that's important right so
we're not just looking backward, we're looking forward over the next decade and even beyond,
what do we need and you think about you buy a new laptop today it's already obsolete, and connection
speed and connectivity faces some of those similar challenges because you know if you get 4G into a
rural area well now we're on 5G and 5G plus, so you're still behind the curve because the latest
equipment's going to rely on 5G right. So, you got to be ahead of it you've got to be thinking toward
where the skating to where the puck's going to be in 10-15 years rather than where it is today.
So, that's part of what Benton is facilitating. The other piece is
current landscape for available governmental and non-governmental resources to address
this challenge. Building on the foundation the study that USB led as well as some of the other
efforts that are out there. The effort is also seeking to enlist agricultural leaders in a
common set of principles into secure agreement to work together on rural connectivity through the
course of the current year project and beyond. It includes further outreach to ag leaders and
to other broadband leaders in the industry and then finally understanding the challenges faced
by farmers really has four key components to it and this is central to the current effort with
the institute. One is deployment- how to get broadband into areas where there isn't currently
adequate connectivity, competition- how to bring choices to the landscape especially to
farmers but more broadly into rural areas and more comprehensively across across the U.S.
Adoption and affordability, so access isn't necessarily enough right if it's so expensive that
your typical farmer and rancher can't adopt the technology then you're in the same place
you were before, and then finally community institutions, I talked about social being
one of the sustainability pillars looking at how community institutions like schools,
libraries and hospitals can really be launching pads for rural connectivity, and I think that's
essential because it gets to the how do we train the the next generation of leaders in rural areas
as well as bridging some of those public services to help the farming community and ensure that
they have greater access than they could have otherwise, especially during the gap period
when it still may remain inadequate on their farm. Jackson: Absolutely, so I guess one other question
that I wanted to ask you is you've mentioned many times how this study has kind of laid a foundation
and it's an initial investment that you're hoping you know grows into something much bigger
do you have any examples of how you know the United Soybean Board's
investments and projects like this foundational projects can turn into you know giant
returns at the end for its stakeholders? Keenan: Yeah, that's a great question, so
we think of our investments as catalytic in nature, so either laying foundations or being
that initial you can think of it like an angel funder what starts the process what can get the
ball rolling and a catalytic investment in this space can attract attention really bring further
investment and partnerships from the the public and the private sector. An example of that is our
foundational work to understand the impact of further dredging the Mississippi River
that has informed and brought millions of dollars to the table to undertake that effort
and that foundational study was the critical catalytic component to moving that forward. So,
we think of rural broadband in a similar light. It can help solve a problem throughout rural areas
in America and we can play an important critical catalytic role in initiating the
process and bringing the partners to the table. So, that's a fundamental role the check off,
we'll continue doing it and we're really excited about the the potential outcomes
in this space to improve rural connectivity. Samantha: Yeah, I love how you guys' research is
really focusing on the future and you know making sure that we're capable for what is developing
and thinking about our farmer demographic as well I mean everyone talks about how our farming
generation is getting older but they're also a lot more educated a lot more getting degrees
and things like that how is that influencing this demand for this rural connectivity and
how did that influence what you guys were doing? Keenan: Yeah so, I'm glad you brought that up.
The education is absolutely critical and that critical and that's not just access to
information or education for farmers themselves it's for the next generation of leadership and
you know you think about the area where I grew up in Western Nebraska.
Most folks that went on to get beyond a bachelor's degree don't end up returning to the farm right so
that's also a limitation where the latest and greatest technology and folks that are going
on to get higher degrees are not necessarily attracted to go back to the farm because they
can't necessarily work with the technology that they were exposed to. So, I think that's part of
it as well is attracting folks back to rural areas or as the world future prize referred to it a few
years ago making agriculture sexy. Technology is fundamental to making that happen to attracting
the the latest and greatest minds as well as technologies back to to to the areas
where they originated from and I think that is critical to the future of rural areas.
Jackson: Absolutely. Keenan: So, the other side of that is
the extension education component and so United Soybean Board invests in a lot of research,
a lot of best management practices that really the end game is to get it into farmer's hands
to either help them make better decisions or to implement best management practices
and delivering that education both ourselves and through our various means like the
soybean research information network, for example requires good access to internet
and and similar to the challenges that you all have faced with extension education at
the University of Nebraska and other places throughout the country land grants and the
private sector with their extension services it all comes back to connectivity whether it
be phone whether it be internet or whether it be other forms. So, without it you know we're kind
of dead in the water especially in a pandemic. Jackson: Yeah yeah, I think you know you brought
up people returning to communities. I'm just thinking with all this remote work that kind
of you know connectivity is enabling they're gonna be more people that I think are gonna be
looking into coming out to rural areas and living, and I think having that technology
there is going to be a crucial component to making sure we maximize that opportunity.
Samantha: It sounds like you know the United Soybean Board, you guys really
have an understanding of how important this is and kind of where things need to go,
but what's your perception of the public sector as a whole or maybe even the private sector
is there a great understanding from some of these other areas
of the limitations of rural broadband? Keenan: Yeah, I believe that
the study that the United Soybean Board led has highlighted that we still don't have
enough information that further investment and better understand that landscape is essential and
that's an effort that the public sector can lead ideally in partnership with the private sector,
so that we're you know we're not trying to just push it into the market if the right partners are
at the table and part of the discussion from the get-go we're more likely to achieve a commercially
viable solution or set thereof right because it definitely won't be a one-size-fits-all approach.
We absolutely have to lay that groundwork and demonstrate the opportunity to the private sector
to those commercial partners to then build on it, explore the broader value proposition
and then try to bring it to market in a way that fits the that creates solutions
that fit for everyone. So, really seeking a win-win and I think that win-win is out there,
but fomenting those public/ private conversations early is absolutely critical and
we're already doing that at USB, and I think many other partners in the space are as well.
Jackson: So, you've talked about kind of the technology and the private sector a few times
now and how investment from the private sector is going to be so critical to
kind of solving these challenges. What are some ways of the United Soybean Board or I
guess what are some technologies the USB has identified as being really high potential
technologies out there- like you mentioned satellites and I think that's one that I've
seen to be a pretty high potential one myself. Keenan: So, yeah you know it's it's ironic
because I f I go back to my days working as an agricultural extensionist in Nicaragua,
many peace corps workers had satellite phones in rural communities where they wouldn't have
otherwise had any access and this has you know been 20 years right. You know,
at that time that was enabling access for emergency situations and it's become more
viable today as the distribution of satellite networks and the private players have expanded
in that area. So, I think there's potential we don't know how well it's going to work yet and
it may not work in every area, but we're we're in some early discussions with potential partners in
that area to explore some pilot projects and see the extent to which it might be a viable solution.
Beyond that, you know I think traditional providers as well you think of the Microsoft,
you know ATT, Verizon and the set of other private companies that are either providing
cellular networks or rural broadband or other forms of connectivity are absolutely
essential partners in this space because they work together to sort of interweave
and interlock what will hopefully be an effective, much more effective coverage
ten years from now than what it is today. Samantha: So, continuing to look into the
future what do you envision to be the ideal path to improve this rural broadband issue
quickly or as quickly as possible? Keenan: Yeah, that's a great question
and I think it's open to debate, but attracting investment is critical
getting through this pilot phase, demonstrating that the model can work, highlighting those case
studies for regions where a solution is already in place and seeking to build on it are essential.
And, I think working working with a variety of folks across ag you know an important piece here
with U.S. agriculture, it's not just about U.S. soybean farmers or U.S. corn farmers
or cattle ranchers, but this matters to all of us right and so we got to work together.
It's really a pre-competitive issue that can get this enabling technology into hands and ensuring
that discussions around adoption of the latest technology to improve productivity and increase
sustainability outcomes is even a possibility. So, I don't know if I have an exact roadmap,
but I think there are some key components there that highlight essential steps that
need to be achieved to get to at least bridge part of the digital divide gap that we've identified.
Samantha: Are there any resources that you recommend to our listeners to learn more about the
United Soybean Board and what you guys are doing, we've heard about your podcast the Tech Tool Shed
any other resources that you recommend? Keenan: Yeah, I'd say visit our website
unitedsoybean.org as well as ussoy.org
both of which contain a lot of information for for different audiences related to the latest
and greatest check off investments and much of what we're doing to to create a better future
for U.S. soybean farmers and for U.S. agriculture. Jackson: Do you have any last advice for our our
listeners to kind of make the most of of their soybean checkoff dollars or even if you know
they want to just get more involved in the rural broadband issue, do you have any advice for how
they can do that? Keenan: Yeah absolutely, please reach out to us. I'd love to have the conversation
and love to talk about how our investments on your behalf can best serve your needs,
so don't hesitate to pick up the phone or give us a call, visit the website
and look forward to speaking with you. Jackson: Thank you to Keenan McRoberts
from the United Soybean Board for joining us today to discuss their research on the rural
broadband project. So, when I think about this episode and what we what out of this episode,
I thought one of the really interesting things that Keenan said was that the
study that they completed is actually enabling information that is a foundation for generating
investment and progress in the space, so they really see it as a catalytic investment that's
going to enable a lot of private sector companies and or you know public/private partnerships or
even public sector you know decisions that are going to help enable rural broadband development,
and I just think that's a really interesting role for the United Soybean Board to play,
and I think it's a really good way to use checkoff dollars in a way that's really
going to benefit farmers in the long run. Samantha: Absolutely, you think about how
valuable this study and data is and if it was done by anybody else it may not have been so publicly
shared, and just the value in that or like he said to be a catalyst, that's awesome to hear about,
so. My favorite part was learning about how this rural connectivity and how important that is just
for like the rural resiliency, so if you think about these all these small towns in Nebraska
how do we get people to want to move back or how do we create opportunities for people and that
all centers around connectivity and it's not just you know it is important for Zoom calls or emails
and things like that, but it's also important for our equipment technology, but also you know we've
talked about this direct-consumer marketing and so that's really important in the rural connectivity
space as well in creating those opportunities. Jackson: Yeah, I think there's a lot to be
seen here, and we'll see exactly where rural broadband goes. I think we're all
pretty optimistic about where it's going to go, but there's a lot of stuff that
needs to be done in order to get there. Samantha: Absolutely, and so building on
that of where we're going with this with the FarmBits podcast next week we'll be having
a discussion with Ranveer Chandra, the lead developer of Microsoft's FarmBeats,
for an episode that you will not want to miss. Samantha: Thank you for taking the time to
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